American Nazis: A Primer

[KnobbyWalsh]

I went over - got some good history!

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[Uncensored2008]

I have frequently challenged those who have been brainwashed with the “Nazis are left wing” meme to visit some real Nazis on Stormfront for a while. None have ever taken me up on it.

The Alternative is to go on ThinkProgress or Common Dreams.

Both are identical to Stormfront and use exactly the same tactics to ensure only drones post.

But hey, your shameful party thanks you for your service anyway..

 

[KnobbyWalsh]

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[tooAlive]

Go to Stormfront. Tell the Nazis they are left wing. Stop being cowards. Go!

Get your minds right.

The people who are misleading you into believing Nazis are left wing are doing it so you don't notice THEY are leading you toward the extreme right.

It's circular logic. "We can't be Nazi-like because Nazis are left wing."

I really do want you to go to Stormfront and hang out for a while. I want you to go to the source of some of the Nazi rhetoric that is bleeding over into right wing rhetoric. You need to wake the **** up. I am not joking. It is downright scary watching this shit happening.

Look at that photo I posted. You are willfully blinding yourself to the blazingly obvious. You are clamping your hands over your eyes and ears to avoid the truth. Even worse, you are creating a pathological delusion that is very dangerous.

The Nazi Germany of 1933 followed Marx's Communist Manifesto to a tee.

Neo-Nazis on stormfront can deny it all they want, but the fact that Nazi Germany was socialist as can be is plain as day.

I could care less what "Nazism" has evolved into today. The Real Nazis from back in '33 were socialists.

Cracking me up. Now you are trying to say those Nazis are not REAL Nazis because they don't fit into your delusion! You are saying YOU know what real Nazism is and they don't!

Holy ****!

Those posers on Stormfront aren't real Nazis. They're all just a bunch of racists and SF is the only place that will accept them.

And yes, I've been on Stormfront. There's even more stupidity on there than on the Revolutionary Left forum I was on a while ago.

Their view on reality is distorted, as is their view on history. As you even said, they don't believe the holocaust ever happened, along with all the other negative aspects of Nazism. Are those the people you get your information from?

Nazi Germany was socialist. Yeah, they went with a fancier name in, National Socialism. But like I said before, they followed the Communist Manifesto to a tee. The kids on SF can cry about it all they want, but the fact remains that Nazi Germany was socialist.

And by the way, there's even a thread on there where some educated self-proclaimed Nazis are accepting the fact that their ideology is indeed left-wing in nature.

 

[tooAlive]

And what other examples of Nazism do you have other than a bunch of racist moonbats on a pro-white forum?

There's only been one country run by Nazis, and that was the Nazi Germany of 1933.

If you can find a way to classify them as something other than socialist, you win the internet.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Let's take two hate sites. Stormfront and ThinkProgress.

Both are filled with racists. Both are filled with those who hate anyone not like them. Both censor anything that opposes their brand of hate.

Differences? Only the target of their hate.

 

[ClosedCaption]

The right here will ask for proof proof proof until they get all the way down to something like "Show me a conservative with a Hitler Mustach, you cant! You fail!"

 

[JakeStarkey]

Or your typical rightist hack.

But agreed: however one wishes to label ‘Nazism,’ it can never be perceived as ‘left.’

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

Seems to me the time is up on the liberal lie, and they're desperate to suppress the truth that the Nazi's were indeed leftists, the tenets of the Nazi Party reflect the DNC platform for God sake.

They even trot out pictures of trailer trash as if they had anything to do with the founding of The National Socialist Workers Party.

Prescott Bush and Henry Ford loved him. The German capitalists supported him.

Hitler was no lefty, and to suggest so reveals a weakness of intellect and a shallow integrity.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Let's take two hate sites. Stormfront and ThinkProgress.

Both are filled with racists. Both are filled with those who hate anyone not like them. Both censor anything that opposes their brand of hate.

Differences? Only the target of their hate.

You attempt that here, UncensoredFascist, but you fail. Too bad.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Or your typical rightist hack.

But agreed: however one wishes to label ‘Nazism,’ it can never be perceived as ‘left.’

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

Seems to me the time is up on the liberal lie, and they're desperate to suppress the truth that the Nazi's were indeed leftists, the tenets of the Nazi Party reflect the DNC platform for God sake.

They even trot out pictures of trailer trash as if they had anything to do with the founding of The National Socialist Workers Party.

Prescott Bush and Henry Ford loved him. The German capitalists supported him.

Hitler was no lefty, and to suggest so reveals a weakness of intellect and a shallow integrity.

surprised you didnt mention papa joe kennedy, hell he wanted the U.S.A. to side with the Axis, after all.

 

[tooAlive]

The right here will ask for proof proof proof until they get all the way down to something like "Show me a conservative with a Hitler Mustach, you cant! You fail!"

The only proof we want is the one that shows how Nazi Germany wasn't socialist.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Seems to me the time is up on the liberal lie, and they're desperate to suppress the truth that the Nazi's were indeed leftists, the tenets of the Nazi Party reflect the DNC platform for God sake.

They even trot out pictures of trailer trash as if they had anything to do with the founding of The National Socialist Workers Party.

Prescott Bush and Henry Ford loved him. The German capitalists supported him.

Hitler was no lefty, and to suggest so reveals a weakness of intellect and a shallow integrity.

surprised you didnt mention papa joe kennedy, hell he wanted the U.S.A. to side with the Axis, after all.

What the far right does not understand is that progressivism (big government statism for political, social, and cultural change) comes in liberal and conservative, left and right fashions.

Hitler was as authoritarian right wing as they came.

 

[tooAlive]

Prescott Bush and Henry Ford loved him. The German capitalists supported him.

Hitler was no lefty, and to suggest so reveals a weakness of intellect and a shallow integrity.

surprised you didnt mention papa joe kennedy, hell he wanted the U.S.A. to side with the Axis, after all.

What the far right does not understand is that progressivism (big government statism for political, social, and cultural change) comes in liberal and conservative, left and right fashions.

Hitler was as authoritarian right wing as they came.

What aspect of authoritarian right-wing-ism takes control of privately run industries and abolishes private property rights?

Are you saying that socialism is a rightist ideology?

 

[JakeStarkey]

surprised you didnt mention papa joe kennedy, hell he wanted the U.S.A. to side with the Axis, after all.

What the far right does not understand is that progressivism (big government statism for political, social, and cultural change) comes in liberal and conservative, left and right fashions.

Hitler was as authoritarian right wing as they came.

What aspect of authoritarian right-wing-ism takes control of privately run industries and abolishes private property rights?

The Nazis who did it to the Jews put not anyone else.

The Nazis who did not abolish labor unions.

The Nazis who did not nationalize industries.

You need to read your history fairly and squarely, tooalive, before you post again.

 

[ClosedCaption]

The right here will ask for proof proof proof until they get all the way down to something like "Show me a conservative with a Hitler Mustach, you cant! You fail!"

The only proof we want is the one that shows how Nazi Germany wasn't socialist.

America is socialist...What's the point? Hell, find ONE nation that doesnt have an element of Socialism. Does that mean the whole world is Left Wing?

 

[tooAlive]

What the far right does not understand is that progressivism (big government statism for political, social, and cultural change) comes in liberal and conservative, left and right fashions.

Hitler was as authoritarian right wing as they came.

What aspect of authoritarian right-wing-ism takes control of privately run industries and abolishes private property rights?

The Nazis who did it to the Jews put not anyone else.

So, only the Jews didn't qualify for property rights? That's not what Hitler said..

Hitler believed that private ownership was useful in that it encouraged creative competition and technical innovation, but insisted that it had to conform to national interests and be "productive" rather than "parasitical".[137] Private property rights were conditional upon the economic mode of use; if it did not advance Nazi economic goals then the state could nationalize it.

Nazism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Nazis who did not abolish labor unions.

And that makes him a right-winger? Conservatives do love unions..

The Nazis who did not nationalize industries.

I think you're the one that needs to re-read your history.

The Nazis took over private corporations, appointed their own people who would run them, decided who would be employed, what the wages would be, what would be produced and what the prices would be.

Does that sound like a free market economy to you, Jakey?

You need to read your history fairly and squarely, tooalive, before you post again.

See above.

 

[tooAlive]

The right here will ask for proof proof proof until they get all the way down to something like "Show me a conservative with a Hitler Mustach, you cant! You fail!"

The only proof we want is the one that shows how Nazi Germany wasn't socialist.

America is socialist...What's the point? Hell, find ONE nation that doesnt have an element of Socialism. Does that mean the whole world is Left Wing?

Having a mere element of socialism doesn't make a country "socialist."

Welfare and social security don't make us socialist.

Nationalizing our industries and abolishing private property rights would, however.

And by that post you've also admitted that Nazi Germany was indeed socialist. Thank you for proving my point.

 

[JakeStarkey]

What aspect of authoritarian right-wing-ism takes control of privately run industries and abolishes private property rights?

The Nazis who did it to the Jews put not anyone else.

So, only the Jews didn't qualify for property rights? That's not what Hitler said..

Hitler believed that private ownership was useful in that it encouraged creative competition and technical innovation, but insisted that it had to conform to national interests and be "productive" rather than "parasitical".[137] Private property rights were conditional upon the economic mode of use; if it did not advance Nazi economic goals then the state could nationalize it.

Nazism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



And that makes him a right-winger? Conservatives do love unions..

The Nazis who did not nationalize industries.

I think you're the one that needs to re-read your history.

The Nazis took over private corporations, appointed their own people who would run them, decided who would be employed, what the wages would be, what would be produced and what the prices would be.

Does that sound like a free market economy to you, Jakey?

You need to read your history fairly and squarely, tooalive, before you post again.

See above.

Yup, your quote above proves that Hitler was an authoritarian right winger who encouraged capitalism as it supported the Nazi state. That is right wing progressive statism.

The right wing Nazis did not need to discipline unions because they average working Fritz and Frau supported the populist popularity of the Nazis.

You cannot show that the German government nationalized industry. Your quote is a fraud at the best.

You need to read your history fairly and squarely, tooalive, before you post again.

 

[bendog]

The Nazis who did it to the Jews put not anyone else.

So, only the Jews didn't qualify for property rights? That's not what Hitler said..

Hitler believed that private ownership was useful in that it encouraged creative competition and technical innovation, but insisted that it had to conform to national interests and be "productive" rather than "parasitical".[137] Private property rights were conditional upon the economic mode of use; if it did not advance Nazi economic goals then the state could nationalize it.

Nazism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



And that makes him a right-winger? Conservatives do love unions..



I think you're the one that needs to re-read your history.

The Nazis took over private corporations, appointed their own people who would run them, decided who would be employed, what the wages would be, what would be produced and what the prices would be.

Does that sound like a free market economy to you, Jakey?

You need to read your history fairly and squarely, tooalive, before you post again.

See above.

Yup, your quote above proves that Hitler was an authoritarian right winger who encouraged capitalism as it supported the Nazi state. That is right wing progressive statism.

The right wing Nazis did not need to discipline unions because they average working Fritz and Frau supported the populist popularity of the Nazis.

You cannot show that the German government nationalized industry. Your quote is a fraud at the best.

You need to read your history fairly and squarely, tooalive, before you post again.

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[tooAlive]

Yup, your quote above proves that Hitler was an authoritarian right winger who encouraged capitalism as it supported the Nazi state. That is right wing progressive statism.

The right wing Nazis did not need to discipline unions because they average working Fritz and Frau supported the populist popularity of the Nazis.

You cannot show that the German government nationalized industry. Your quote is a fraud at the best.

You need to read your history fairly and squarely, tooalive, before you post again.

Please, do yourself a favor and stop posting before you lose your credibility entirely. (If you haven't already)

Here's a quote from Hitler himself:

Hitler distrusted capitalism for being unreliable due to its egotism, and he preferred a state-directed economy that is subordinated to the interests of the Volk.[151] Hitler said in 1927,

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions."

And in regards to them going with a centrally-planned economy..

Private property rights were conditional upon the economic mode of use; if it did not advance Nazi economic goals then the state could nationalize it.[138] Although the Nazis privatised public properties and public services, they also increased economic state control.[139] Under Nazi economics, free competition and self-regulating markets diminished;

Nazism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia