American carrier force a global threat?

[Moonglow]

Even with the USA trying to reduce dependency on foreign countries, they still control the world market with the currency.
Many carriers are around and each has its own fleet of submarines and destroyers mit Patriot AA System. But the efficiency of this system is questioned.

Would Trump use the carriers to gain political benefits?

What else do you think they are used for but for political gain?

Carriers are WWII and Cold War Era weapons.

Well yes but they are also portable cities with an air force, choppers and missiles to celebrate the 4th...

And God-only-knows how many nuclear warheads.

That is a secret..

 

[Bleipriester]

Even with the USA trying to reduce dependency on foreign countries, they still control the world market with the currency.
Many carriers are around and each has its own fleet of submarines and destroyers mit Patriot AA System. But the efficiency of this system is questioned.

Would Trump use the carriers to gain political benefits?

What else do you think they are used for but for political gain?

Carriers are WWII and Cold War Era weapons.

Well yes but they are also portable cities with an air force, choppers and missiles to celebrate the 4th...

Off shore golfing. That´s what Trump needs.

 

[Bleipriester]

Many carriers are around and each has its own fleet of submarines and destroyers mit Patriot AA System. But the efficiency of this system is questioned.

Patriot what? Patriot is a land based AA system, why are you saying they are on ships?

Air defense.

The missile system used for AAW is called the Standard missile. It has been around in several variants since the Vietnam War. My ships carried the SM-2 ER version.

Whether Patriot or Aegis. The efficiency matters.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Many carriers are around and each has its own fleet of submarines and destroyers mit Patriot AA System. But the efficiency of this system is questioned.

Patriot what? Patriot is a land based AA system, why are you saying they are on ships?

Air defense.

The missile system used for AAW is called the Standard missile. It has been around in several variants since the Vietnam War. My ships carried the SM-2 ER version.

Whether Patriot or Aegis. The efficiency matters.

What would you know about that?

 

[Bleipriester]

Many carriers are around and each has its own fleet of submarines and destroyers mit Patriot AA System. But the efficiency of this system is questioned.

Patriot what? Patriot is a land based AA system, why are you saying they are on ships?

Air defense.

The missile system used for AAW is called the Standard missile. It has been around in several variants since the Vietnam War. My ships carried the SM-2 ER version.

Whether Patriot or Aegis. The efficiency matters.

What would you know about that?

The web is full of info.

 

[westwall]

Even with the USA trying to reduce dependency on foreign countries, they still control the world market with the currency.
Many carriers are around and each has its own fleet of submarines and destroyers mit Patriot AA System. But the efficiency of this system is questioned.

Would Trump use the carriers to gain political benefits?

What else do you think they are used for but for political gain?

Carriers are WWII and Cold War Era weapons.

They work pretty damned good now as well.

 

[westwall]

This one:
Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense System - Wikipedia

They want to intercept missiles with it. And they have lasers too.

Woah there you've done the Bleipriester switcharoo that happens when you're caught making things up. You didn't say Aegis, you said Patriot as seen in direct quote from you below:

Bleipriester = "Many carriers are around and each has its own fleet of submarines and destroyers mit Patriot AA System."

Aegis has nothing to do with Patriot, and USN doesn't have Patriot so why are you saying "this one" as if Patriot missile is Aegis system? It doesn't make sense. When did the US Navy deploy Patriot missiles on their ships like you claim? There is Aegis on US Navy ships, Aegis ashore, but as far as I know there aren't any carrier battle groups deploying Patriot at sea. Care to explain?

Don´t they even use the same missiles?

Nope, the navy uses the Standard ARM.

 

[westwall]

Many carriers are around and each has its own fleet of submarines and destroyers mit Patriot AA System. But the efficiency of this system is questioned.

Patriot what? Patriot is a land based AA system, why are you saying they are on ships?

Air defense.

The missile system used for AAW is called the Standard missile. It has been around in several variants since the Vietnam War. My ships carried the SM-2 ER version.

Whether Patriot or Aegis. The efficiency matters.

Yes, and the Aegis system is the best in the world. The phased array radar systems are the best in the world.

 

[harmonica]

this should be in Rubber Room or political discussion---
a very weak theory----kind of ridiculous

 

[harmonica]

This one:
Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense System - Wikipedia

They want to intercept missiles with it. And they have lasers too.

Woah there you've done the Bleipriester switcharoo that happens when you're caught making things up. You didn't say Aegis, you said Patriot as seen in direct quote from you below:

Bleipriester = "Many carriers are around and each has its own fleet of submarines and destroyers mit Patriot AA System."

Aegis has nothing to do with Patriot, and USN doesn't have Patriot so why are you saying "this one" as if Patriot missile is Aegis system? It doesn't make sense. When did the US Navy deploy Patriot missiles on their ships like you claim? There is Aegis on US Navy ships, Aegis ashore, but as far as I know there aren't any carrier battle groups deploying Patriot at sea. Care to explain?

he does that a lot

 

[DrainBamage]

Carriers are WWII and Cold War Era weapons.

They played significant roles in both Gulf Wars, generating thousands of sorties.

Oh wait, you're the ignoramus who claimed almost all 40k sorties in Desert Storm were from A-10 doing CAS.

 

[DrainBamage]

Don´t they even use the same missiles?

No, they absolutely do not.

Aegis is a combat system that integrates many different sensors and weapons, none of which has anything to do with Patriot which is a truck mounted SAM system. Even the ABM you're referencing are completely different, SM-3 (Aegis) is exo-atmospheric with a much greater range than Patriot which is terminal kill.

Stop spouting bullshit.

 

[SandSquid]

This one:
Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense System - Wikipedia

They want to intercept missiles with it. And they have lasers too.

Woah there you've done the Bleipriester switcharoo that happens when you're caught making things up. You didn't say Aegis, you said Patriot as seen in direct quote from you below:

Bleipriester = "Many carriers are around and each has its own fleet of submarines and destroyers mit Patriot AA System."

Aegis has nothing to do with Patriot, and USN doesn't have Patriot so why are you saying "this one" as if Patriot missile is Aegis system? It doesn't make sense. When did the US Navy deploy Patriot missiles on their ships like you claim? There is Aegis on US Navy ships, Aegis ashore, but as far as I know there aren't any carrier battle groups deploying Patriot at sea. Care to explain?

Don´t they even use the same missiles?

No. I've never heard that the ground based Patriot missiles can fire from the Sea Sparrow and Rolling Airframe launchers which are the only anti-air shipboard missiles used on US carriers.

And even if they could...

If I say "remember those sorties that the HMS Splendid (UK submarine) flew over Iraq, that is somehow making sense because both the HMS Splendid and the B-52 bomber can fire the Tomohawk cruise missile?

Except you aren't even going that close since those missile delivery systems fire the same one. You are talking about two completely different weapon delivery systems. So like saying "Whoops, when I said ICBM silo in North Dakota, I meant to say 9MM handgun.... Same thing right, they shoot the same projectile don't they?"


Dude, take yourself a time out and first educate yourself on the topics you want to talk about. When you make ignorant statements and try and dig yourself out of that hole by responding with a lie, that does not help your cause. It just shows you are both ignorant and a liar.

 

[SandSquid]

Don´t they even use the same missiles?

No, they absolutely do not.

Aegis is a combat system that integrates many different sensors and weapons, none of which has anything to do with Patriot which is a truck mounted SAM system. Even the ABM you're referencing are completely different, SM-3 (Aegis) is exo-atmospheric with a much greater range than Patriot which is terminal kill.

Stop spouting bullshit.

And those are carried by Guided Missile Cruisers... Not carriers.

He's just so so so so lost on this isn't he? Wrong weapon type, wrong ship, wrong military department...

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Don´t they even use the same missiles?

No, they absolutely do not.

Aegis is a combat system that integrates many different sensors and weapons, none of which has anything to do with Patriot which is a truck mounted SAM system. Even the ABM you're referencing are completely different, SM-3 (Aegis) is exo-atmospheric with a much greater range than Patriot which is terminal kill.

Stop spouting bullshit.

And those are carried by Guided Missile Cruisers... Not carriers.

He's just so so so so lost on this isn't he? Wrong weapon type, wrong ship, wrong military department...

.. and you are partially wrong also. We have very few CGs left in the fleet. The DDG is the primary ship in the Navy.

 

[DrainBamage]

.. and you are partially wrong also. We have very few CGs left in the fleet. The DDG is the primary ship in the Navy.

His statement wasn't really wrong, some cruisers do indeed carry SM-3 just like he said.

There are also 22 (giver or take) cruisers currently serving and they'll continue to play an integral role in carrier battle groups until the Flight III Burkes start being delivered in mid 2020s. There is a proposal to start retiring six of the oldest ones to replace with new Flight IIa Burkes but it's still up in the air since congress.

 

[rightwinger]

Carriers are the dominant naval projection of power
You can move air power into place within days

Works for most global conflicts

Against a modern technological foe, they are vulnerable
But we usually don’t go head to head against modern technological foes

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

.. and you are partially wrong also. We have very few CGs left in the fleet. The DDG is the primary ship in the Navy.

His statement wasn't really wrong, some cruisers do indeed carry SM-3 just like he said.

There are also 22 (giver or take) cruisers currently serving and they'll continue to play an integral role in carrier battle groups until the Flight III Burkes start being delivered in mid 2020s. There is a proposal to start retiring six of the oldest ones to replace with new Flight IIa Burkes but it's still up in the air since congress.

True, however I said partially wrong.

There are over 55 DDGs currently in the fleet with more building since the Zumwalt class turned out to be a bust. Compare that to your 22 aging CGs. As I said, the DDG is the primary ship in the Navy.

 

[Dick Foster]

Patriot what? Patriot is a land based AA system, why are you saying they are on ships?

Air defense.

The missile system used for AAW is called the Standard missile. It has been around in several variants since the Vietnam War. My ships carried the SM-2 ER version.

Whether Patriot or Aegis. The efficiency matters.

What would you know about that?

The web is full of info.

And you are full of shit.

 

[Bleipriester]

Carriers are the dominant naval projection of power
You can move air power into place within days

Works for most global conflicts

Against a modern technological foe, they are vulnerable
But we usually don’t go head to head against modern technological foes

Big bows.