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If you ever understand what America is, you won't have to ask that question anymore.
A piece of land
Completely wrong.
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If you ever understand what America is, you won't have to ask that question anymore.
A piece of land
Until the entire nation and world embraces your POV, by becoming educated and enlightened, keeping America strong is the best way to ensure your political ideology has the best chance to survive, evolve, and dominate the earth. Only be forming autonomous, mutually beneficial voluntary communities that interact in a non-centralized fashion will problems ever be solved. IMO, though, the transition must be gradual, not radical in nature. Folks don't like sudden change.
Unfortunately, you are being too short sighted, militant and ideological to understand this.
What do you mean keep America strong? It is a piece of land. Do you mean the United States of America, the oppressive police state? Keeping that strong is an assurity that human beings will become dumber and more degraded, moreso than you.
Of course, you are too short sighted, timid, and complacent to understand this.
Wrong it is a Country of over 320 million people.
A country is a synonym for a piece of land, if you go by the etymological or popular definition.
Wrong it is a Country of over 320 million people.
A country is a synonym for a piece of land, if you go by the etymological or popular definition.
coun·try
ˈkəntrē/
noun
- 1.
a nation with its own government, occupying a particular territory.
"the country's increasingly precarious economic position"
synonyms: nation, (sovereign) state, kingdom, realm, territory, province, principality, palatinate,duchy More
- 2.
districts and small settlements outside large towns, cities, or the capital.
"the airfield is right out in the country"
synonyms: woods, back of beyond, hinterland, bush, backcountry; More
coun·try
ˈkəntrē/
noun
- 1.
a nation with its own government, occupying a particular territory.
"the country's increasingly precarious economic position"
synonyms: nation, (sovereign) state, kingdom, realm, territory, province, principality, palatinate,duchy More
- 2.
districts and small settlements outside large towns, cities, or the capital.
"the airfield is right out in the country"
synonyms: woods, back of beyond, hinterland, bush, backcountry; More
Oh, more sham definitions found in intellectually dishonest modern dictionaries
A broad extraption that allows any interpretation dependent on the person and situation -- Does "Hope and Change" ring a bell.'America first' is a broad abstraction that allows any interpretation dependent on the person and the situation. The listener fills in its meaning. I'll leave that for the reader to consider. But imagine if instead we used 'people first' or 'workers first'? Or 'American made' as our slogan concept. Would that change the dynamics of the conversation and our values? Anyone who has read me here or on other sites should know while I am a fan of government and its regulatory and constructive possibilities, I also believe if you want a fair and sane society of families etc, only the people themselves can do that by supporting each other and not throwing stones.
A fiction or is it: My friend is always saying America first, he's proud of his nation, he wears it on his cap. He drives a foreign made car, vacations on an exotic Island, drinks imported beer and wine, wears foreign designer clothing, eats imported fruit, wears a Swiss watch, his phone is made in China, the beef he eats comes from Chile, steel and wallboard in his home is imported too, his camera is from Taiwan, the children's toys are Mexican, furniture come from overseas, oh, and his cap is made in China too. And he always says America first. [It ain't the world I grew up in and I ain't that old.]
The culture, the sense of community, the love and cooperation. You have to find some common ground with your neighbors and family man.Until the entire nation and world embraces your POV, by becoming educated and enlightened, keeping America strong is the best way to ensure your political ideology has the best chance to survive, evolve, and dominate the earth. Only be forming autonomous, mutually beneficial voluntary communities that interact in a non-centralized fashion will problems ever be solved. IMO, though, the transition must be gradual, not radical in nature. Folks don't like sudden change.
Unfortunately, you are being too short sighted, militant and ideological to understand this.
What do you mean keep America strong? It is a piece of land. Do you mean the United States of America, the oppressive police state? Keeping that strong is an assurity that human beings will become dumber and more degraded, moreso than you.
Of course, you are too short sighted, timid, and complacent to understand this.
I don't think all Americans believe they're special just because they're American. Of course you can find some who think like that but you can find people like that in any other countryWhy are Americans more important than anyone else?
I am okay with taking a piece of land and giving it a name, but this imaginary community bullshit has gone on long enough. The modern nation-state is a crime against humanity.
However, one might look at it as "me first" or "my family and friends first." Since for most Americans, their friends and family are also Americans, putting the country they all live in first in importance makes sense. You may disagree with it, but it isn't without rationale.
America is an imaginary community, and Americans are an imaginary collective. I would never argue that you should not put your actual community first, but that isn't America. It is just some bullshit that we get hung up on.
And despite what you may think, without nations to put first I'm certain people would find some other grouping to consider more important.
They might move their actual community up on the list. Nationalism is a silly abstraction exploited for the special interests of the ruling class.
I am not arguing that you should not consider yourself an American. You should just be realistic about what is actual and what is invented. If you are going to subscribe to a collective, then try joining the human race.
However, one might look at it as "me first" or "my family and friends first." Since for most Americans, their friends and family are also Americans, putting the country they all live in first in importance makes sense. You may disagree with it, but it isn't without rationale.
America is an imaginary community, and Americans are an imaginary collective. I would never argue that you should not put your actual community first, but that isn't America. It is just some bullshit that we get hung up on.
And despite what you may think, without nations to put first I'm certain people would find some other grouping to consider more important.
They might move their actual community up on the list. Nationalism is a silly abstraction exploited for the special interests of the ruling class.
I am not arguing that you should not consider yourself an American. You should just be realistic about what is actual and what is invented. If you are going to subscribe to a collective, then try joining the human race.
Who are you to decide what someone's "actual" community is? Other than perhaps friends and family, isn't any community "imaginary?"
I also think that people get hung up on country and nationalism, some take it too far. The idea of having pride in the place you were born, simply because it is the place you were born, is odd to me.
On the other hand, particularly in the modern world with how interconnected people can be despite large distances between them, looking at a country as a community writ large is not without merit.
Instead you cite yourself and then complain that others do not want discussion.Sure, it's dictionaries that are dishonest.
Yes, indeed they are.
I never cite contemporary dictionaries, because all their methods are fucked.
The "objective" scientific social construct of "America" is a relatively big piece of land that reflects two "continents", as defined in common dictionaries.So what is your conjectural assertion of what America is?No, that graphic is not "America".
America is a social construct. It is an idea attached to a concept..
Not that simple.Every human should be "their people."Lots of countries put the interests of their people over those of others.
I am currently residing in America. If I had to choose between saving 10 people in Florida or 10 people in Romania, it wouldn't make a fucking difference to me who I saved. Human is human.
I would not argue "dishonest". Rather, dictionaries are cultural linguistic artifacts that change over time in response to cultural usage.Oh, more sham definitions found in intellectually dishonest modern dictionariescoun·try
ˈkəntrē/
noun
- 1.
a nation with its own government, occupying a particular territory.
"the country's increasingly precarious economic position"
synonyms: nation, (sovereign) state, kingdom, realm, territory, province, principality, palatinate,duchy More
- 2.
districts and small settlements outside large towns, cities, or the capital.
"the airfield is right out in the country"
synonyms: woods, back of beyond, hinterland, bush, backcountry; More