Amb William Taylor, is Tramp embezzeling, its like he thinks the money

[Hutch Starskey]

Soliciting foreign assistance in elections is a crime.

but bringing a corrupt politician to justice isnt,,, which is what trump was doing

No. He wasn't.
There was no corruption, dope.
It certainly didn't require an ask by the president to determine that. Certainly Trump's State Dept could have briefed the president on why that prosecutor was sacked.

There were many parties interested in cleaning up the prosecutors office long before Biden was involved. Including Republican Senators.

Republican senators echoed Biden in urging Ukrainian president to reform prosecutor general's office - CNNPolitics

Portman, Durbin, Shaheen, and Senate Ukraine Caucus Reaffirm Commitment to Help Ukraine Take on Corruption | Senator Rob Portman

yes he was and is why he included the DOJ in on it,,,

and your opinion on whether there was corruption is just that,,OPINION,,,

you guys sure are squirming to say biden did nothing wrong,,,almost like you know he did and want any investigation into it stopped,,,otherwise you would sit back and watch republicans get egg on their faces if not true,,,

It's not opinion, dope.
Biden was acting in an official capacity and was implementing policy.

I gave you a link to Republican Senator Portman's page showing how his Ukranian group had the same misgivings with corruption in the prosecutor's office.

what does his son have to do with policy???

and sorry its still opinion,,,

why wont you just sit back and let the repubes get egg on their face??
its almost like you know something is wrong,,,

what does his son have to do with policy???

Absolutely nothing. That's the point, dope.

 

[peach174]

Obviously you have no clue how a court of law works but that's true of 99.9 percent of the people on this board.
Number one: It has to be illegal. So it has to be determined if the activity breaks any laws. It has to be determined by attorneys and the courts excluding the court of public opinion.

Number two: If the action is declared illegal a real attorney would never attempt to prosecute on such truly flimsy evidence, most of it second hand with a high probability of built in bias.

Impeachment is neither a court proceeding nor requires a crime.

No shit Sherlock, I'm not addressing that. I'm addressing the claim by some that Trump is guilty of any crime, a claim that so far can only stand up in the court of public opinion. But more so I'm addressing HOW evidence is viewed by the courts, nothing more, nothing less. Hell, my point should have been obvious with "you have no clue how a court of law works".........

Soliciting foreign assistance in elections is a crime.

Maybe its not a crime to solicit or PAY FOR foreign assistance, just ask Hillary about her paying Russians for the Steele Dossier. Maybe Trump had no "intent" to commit a crime, like Hillary? Maybe Trump didn't make a video confession like Biden saying he wanted the prosecutor fired or he would withhold military funding?

Trump wanted the Ukrainians to work WITH Barr and others investigating "meddling" in the 2016 election. That is certainly a legitimate investigation. You have no clue what Barr, Huber, Durham, and Horowitz are going to come up with legitimizing the Trump investigations.

There was no Ukranian "meddling" in 2016, dope. Clinton did not "pay russians".

Trump did however try to taint his opponent by extorting a foreign govt to make phony claims.

There was Russian meddling and Ukraine has said they have some info on it.
It never was about Ukraine meddling, because they didn't.

 

[peach174]

Steve Scalise compares Schiff's secret hearings to the Soviet Union

Secret hearings?

You and Scalise should read up on how impeachment inquiries are conducted.

There were nearly two years of closed hearings during watergate.

Don't be so easily led by dopey rhetoric.

They voted on it first so each side had equal council.

 

[Ringel05]

Impeachment is neither a court proceeding nor requires a crime.

No shit Sherlock, I'm not addressing that. I'm addressing the claim by some that Trump is guilty of any crime, a claim that so far can only stand up in the court of public opinion. But more so I'm addressing HOW evidence is viewed by the courts, nothing more, nothing less. Hell, my point should have been obvious with "you have no clue how a court of law works".........

Soliciting foreign assistance in elections is a crime.

It is? Show the statute.

And I'm referring specifically to this instance and it's possible REAL application to criminal law considering nothing of value was actually exchanged.

A false narrative of corruption regarding the main political opponent of a candidate that assists in their campaign is certainly of value. Otherwise why pursue it?

Politics........

 

[progressive hunter]

but bringing a corrupt politician to justice isnt,,, which is what trump was doing

No. He wasn't.
There was no corruption, dope.
It certainly didn't require an ask by the president to determine that. Certainly Trump's State Dept could have briefed the president on why that prosecutor was sacked.

There were many parties interested in cleaning up the prosecutors office long before Biden was involved. Including Republican Senators.

Republican senators echoed Biden in urging Ukrainian president to reform prosecutor general's office - CNNPolitics

Portman, Durbin, Shaheen, and Senate Ukraine Caucus Reaffirm Commitment to Help Ukraine Take on Corruption | Senator Rob Portman

yes he was and is why he included the DOJ in on it,,,

and your opinion on whether there was corruption is just that,,OPINION,,,

you guys sure are squirming to say biden did nothing wrong,,,almost like you know he did and want any investigation into it stopped,,,otherwise you would sit back and watch republicans get egg on their faces if not true,,,

It's not opinion, dope.
Biden was acting in an official capacity and was implementing policy.

I gave you a link to Republican Senator Portman's page showing how his Ukranian group had the same misgivings with corruption in the prosecutor's office.

what does his son have to do with policy???

and sorry its still opinion,,,

why wont you just sit back and let the repubes get egg on their face??
its almost like you know something is wrong,,,

what does his son have to do with policy???

Absolutely nothing. That's the point, dope.

why are you so scared??

 

[peach174]

but bringing a corrupt politician to justice isnt,,, which is what trump was doing

No. He wasn't.
There was no corruption, dope.
It certainly didn't require an ask by the president to determine that. Certainly Trump's State Dept could have briefed the president on why that prosecutor was sacked.

There were many parties interested in cleaning up the prosecutors office long before Biden was involved. Including Republican Senators.

Republican senators echoed Biden in urging Ukrainian president to reform prosecutor general's office - CNNPolitics

Portman, Durbin, Shaheen, and Senate Ukraine Caucus Reaffirm Commitment to Help Ukraine Take on Corruption | Senator Rob Portman

yes he was and is why he included the DOJ in on it,,,

and your opinion on whether there was corruption is just that,,OPINION,,,

you guys sure are squirming to say biden did nothing wrong,,,almost like you know he did and want any investigation into it stopped,,,otherwise you would sit back and watch republicans get egg on their faces if not true,,,

It's not opinion, dope.
Biden was acting in an official capacity and was implementing policy.

I gave you a link to Republican Senator Portman's page showing how his Ukranian group had the same misgivings with corruption in the prosecutor's office.

what does his son have to do with policy???

and sorry its still opinion,,,

why wont you just sit back and let the repubes get egg on their face??
its almost like you know something is wrong,,,

what does his son have to do with policy???

Absolutely nothing. That's the point, dope.

but bringing a corrupt politician to justice isnt,,, which is what trump was doing

No. He wasn't.
There was no corruption, dope.
It certainly didn't require an ask by the president to determine that. Certainly Trump's State Dept could have briefed the president on why that prosecutor was sacked.

There were many parties interested in cleaning up the prosecutors office long before Biden was involved. Including Republican Senators.

Republican senators echoed Biden in urging Ukrainian president to reform prosecutor general's office - CNNPolitics

Portman, Durbin, Shaheen, and Senate Ukraine Caucus Reaffirm Commitment to Help Ukraine Take on Corruption | Senator Rob Portman

yes he was and is why he included the DOJ in on it,,,

and your opinion on whether there was corruption is just that,,OPINION,,,

you guys sure are squirming to say biden did nothing wrong,,,almost like you know he did and want any investigation into it stopped,,,otherwise you would sit back and watch republicans get egg on their faces if not true,,,

It's not opinion, dope.
Biden was acting in an official capacity and was implementing policy.

I gave you a link to Republican Senator Portman's page showing how his Ukranian group had the same misgivings with corruption in the prosecutor's office.

what does his son have to do with policy???

and sorry its still opinion,,,

why wont you just sit back and let the repubes get egg on their face??
its almost like you know something is wrong,,,

what does his son have to do with policy???

Absolutely nothing. That's the point, dope.

Then why was he working for a well known corrupt Oil and Gas company and got hired for a job he knew nothing about?
Why did he say no one knew about oil and gas?
CEO's all hired to an oil &gas company that knew nothing about oil and gas.

 

[kyzr]

Obviously you have no clue how a court of law works but that's true of 99.9 percent of the people on this board.
Number one: It has to be illegal. So it has to be determined if the activity breaks any laws. It has to be determined by attorneys and the courts excluding the court of public opinion.

Number two: If the action is declared illegal a real attorney would never attempt to prosecute on such truly flimsy evidence, most of it second hand with a high probability of built in bias.

Impeachment is neither a court proceeding nor requires a crime.

No shit Sherlock, I'm not addressing that. I'm addressing the claim by some that Trump is guilty of any crime, a claim that so far can only stand up in the court of public opinion. But more so I'm addressing HOW evidence is viewed by the courts, nothing more, nothing less. Hell, my point should have been obvious with "you have no clue how a court of law works".........

Soliciting foreign assistance in elections is a crime.

Maybe its not a crime to solicit or PAY FOR foreign assistance, just ask Hillary about her paying Russians for the Steele Dossier. Maybe Trump had no "intent" to commit a crime, like Hillary? Maybe Trump didn't make a video confession like Biden saying he wanted the prosecutor fired or he would withhold military funding?

Trump wanted the Ukrainians to work WITH Barr and others investigating "meddling" in the 2016 election. That is certainly a legitimate investigation. You have no clue what Barr, Huber, Durham, and Horowitz are going to come up with legitimizing the Trump investigations.

There was no Ukrainian "meddling" in 2016, dope. Clinton did not "pay Russians".

Trump did however try to taint his opponent by extorting a foreign govt to make phony claims.

1. Yes there was Ukrainian meddling in the 2016 election. There are tons of links if you google it.
Did Ukraine try to interfere in the 2016 election on Clinton's behalf?
Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire
Let's get real: Democrats were first to enlist Ukraine in US elections

2. Its common knowledge that Clinton paid for the Steele Dossier
Clinton campaign broke election laws with dossier author payment, lawsuit claims
Allegations That Clinton Campaign Funded Trump-Russia Research Still Pending At Now-Closed FEC
Collusion bombshell: DNC lawyers met with FBI on Russia allegations before surveillance warrant
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...6fabf0-b8e4-11e7-a908-a3470754bbb9_story.html

3. You really need to stop lying so much. Trump asked the Ukrainians to work with Barr to investigate if any wrongdoing occurred during the 2016 election. Hillary asked the Russians to lie and fabricate the Steele Dossier, Trump asked the Ukrainians for the Truth about the 2016 election. BIG DIFFERENCE.

4. If you can't backup your statements with credible links you might as well not post. Your bullshit posts are simply lies.

 

[kyzr]

No shit Sherlock, I'm not addressing that. I'm addressing the claim by some that Trump is guilty of any crime, a claim that so far can only stand up in the court of public opinion. But more so I'm addressing HOW evidence is viewed by the courts, nothing more, nothing less. Hell, my point should have been obvious with "you have no clue how a court of law works".........

Soliciting foreign assistance in elections is a crime.

but bringing a corrupt politician to justice isnt,,, which is what trump was doing

No. He wasn't.
There was no corruption, dope.
It certainly didn't require an ask by the president to determine that. Certainly Trump's State Dept could have briefed the president on why that prosecutor was sacked.

There were many parties interested in cleaning up the prosecutors office long before Biden was involved. Including Republican Senators.

Republican senators echoed Biden in urging Ukrainian president to reform prosecutor general's office - CNNPolitics

Portman, Durbin, Shaheen, and Senate Ukraine Caucus Reaffirm Commitment to Help Ukraine Take on Corruption | Senator Rob Portman

yes he was and is why he included the DOJ in on it,,,

and your opinion on whether there was corruption is just that,,OPINION,,,

you guys sure are squirming to say biden did nothing wrong,,,almost like you know he did and want any investigation into it stopped,,,otherwise you would sit back and watch republicans get egg on their faces if not true,,,

It's not opinion, dope.
Biden was acting in an official capacity and was implementing policy.

I gave you a link to Republican Senator Portman's page showing how his Ukrainian group had the same misgivings with corruption in the prosecutor's office.

...and it just so happened that the prosecutor was told to layoff the Soros organization......what a coincidence?!
US Embassy pressed Ukraine to drop probe of George Soros group during 2016 election
US Embassy pressed Ukraine to drop probe of George Soros group during 2016 election

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Steve Scalise compares Schiff's secret hearings to the Soviet Union

Secret hearings?

You and Scalise should read up on how impeachment inquiries are conducted.

There were nearly two years of closed hearings during watergate.

Don't be so easily led by dopey rhetoric.

They voted on it first so each side had equal council.

What does that even mean?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

No shit Sherlock, I'm not addressing that. I'm addressing the claim by some that Trump is guilty of any crime, a claim that so far can only stand up in the court of public opinion. But more so I'm addressing HOW evidence is viewed by the courts, nothing more, nothing less. Hell, my point should have been obvious with "you have no clue how a court of law works".........

Soliciting foreign assistance in elections is a crime.

It is? Show the statute.

And I'm referring specifically to this instance and it's possible REAL application to criminal law considering nothing of value was actually exchanged.

A false narrative of corruption regarding the main political opponent of a candidate that assists in their campaign is certainly of value. Otherwise why pursue it?

Politics........

Yes. For personal political gain, dope.
Self dealing.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

No. He wasn't.
There was no corruption, dope.
It certainly didn't require an ask by the president to determine that. Certainly Trump's State Dept could have briefed the president on why that prosecutor was sacked.

There were many parties interested in cleaning up the prosecutors office long before Biden was involved. Including Republican Senators.

Republican senators echoed Biden in urging Ukrainian president to reform prosecutor general's office - CNNPolitics

Portman, Durbin, Shaheen, and Senate Ukraine Caucus Reaffirm Commitment to Help Ukraine Take on Corruption | Senator Rob Portman

yes he was and is why he included the DOJ in on it,,,

and your opinion on whether there was corruption is just that,,OPINION,,,

you guys sure are squirming to say biden did nothing wrong,,,almost like you know he did and want any investigation into it stopped,,,otherwise you would sit back and watch republicans get egg on their faces if not true,,,

It's not opinion, dope.
Biden was acting in an official capacity and was implementing policy.

I gave you a link to Republican Senator Portman's page showing how his Ukranian group had the same misgivings with corruption in the prosecutor's office.

what does his son have to do with policy???

and sorry its still opinion,,,

why wont you just sit back and let the repubes get egg on their face??
its almost like you know something is wrong,,,

what does his son have to do with policy???

Absolutely nothing. That's the point, dope.

why are you so scared??

I'm not.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

No. He wasn't.
There was no corruption, dope.
It certainly didn't require an ask by the president to determine that. Certainly Trump's State Dept could have briefed the president on why that prosecutor was sacked.

There were many parties interested in cleaning up the prosecutors office long before Biden was involved. Including Republican Senators.

Republican senators echoed Biden in urging Ukrainian president to reform prosecutor general's office - CNNPolitics

Portman, Durbin, Shaheen, and Senate Ukraine Caucus Reaffirm Commitment to Help Ukraine Take on Corruption | Senator Rob Portman

yes he was and is why he included the DOJ in on it,,,

and your opinion on whether there was corruption is just that,,OPINION,,,

you guys sure are squirming to say biden did nothing wrong,,,almost like you know he did and want any investigation into it stopped,,,otherwise you would sit back and watch republicans get egg on their faces if not true,,,

It's not opinion, dope.
Biden was acting in an official capacity and was implementing policy.

I gave you a link to Republican Senator Portman's page showing how his Ukranian group had the same misgivings with corruption in the prosecutor's office.

what does his son have to do with policy???

and sorry its still opinion,,,

why wont you just sit back and let the repubes get egg on their face??
its almost like you know something is wrong,,,

what does his son have to do with policy???

Absolutely nothing. That's the point, dope.

No. He wasn't.
There was no corruption, dope.
It certainly didn't require an ask by the president to determine that. Certainly Trump's State Dept could have briefed the president on why that prosecutor was sacked.

There were many parties interested in cleaning up the prosecutors office long before Biden was involved. Including Republican Senators.

Republican senators echoed Biden in urging Ukrainian president to reform prosecutor general's office - CNNPolitics

Portman, Durbin, Shaheen, and Senate Ukraine Caucus Reaffirm Commitment to Help Ukraine Take on Corruption | Senator Rob Portman

yes he was and is why he included the DOJ in on it,,,

and your opinion on whether there was corruption is just that,,OPINION,,,

you guys sure are squirming to say biden did nothing wrong,,,almost like you know he did and want any investigation into it stopped,,,otherwise you would sit back and watch republicans get egg on their faces if not true,,,

It's not opinion, dope.
Biden was acting in an official capacity and was implementing policy.

I gave you a link to Republican Senator Portman's page showing how his Ukranian group had the same misgivings with corruption in the prosecutor's office.

what does his son have to do with policy???

and sorry its still opinion,,,

why wont you just sit back and let the repubes get egg on their face??
its almost like you know something is wrong,,,

what does his son have to do with policy???

Absolutely nothing. That's the point, dope.

Then why was he working for a well known corrupt Oil and Gas company and got hired for a job he knew nothing about?
Why did he say no one knew about oil and gas?
CEO's all hired to an oil &gas company that knew nothing about oil and gas.

Because they offered him a lucrative job?

You're operating under the false assumption that Biden was acting for his son rather than for the administration.

Do you honestly believe a VP could act without the consent of the administration?

 

[Penelope]

What the hell is going on? Elected republicans are prevented from entering the hearings (under threat of deadly physical force?) but democrats get to leak selected (edited?) testimony to their minions in the media. Did the U.S. regress to a Banana Republic while we weren't looking?

Yet they have been in there most of the day. They are trying to keep the defense person from testifying. You might get what you do not want, soon they will be testifying in the open on national TV.

 

[Penelope]

Steve Scalise compares Schiff's secret hearings to the Soviet Union

Believe me, when they become public, the republican shitheads won't want them to be.

 

[BULLDOG]

is his.
------------------------------------------

A few days later, on Sept. 7, Taylor testified that Morrison related to him another conversation that Trump had with Sondland that gave him a “sinking feeling.” He told Taylor that Trump “did insist that President Zelensky go to a microphone and say he is opening investigations of Biden and 2016 election interference, and that President Zelensky should want to do this himself,” Taylor said, summarizing what he heard for lawmakers.

Taylor also told lawmakers that Sondland had explained that Trump is a “businessman” and that when a businessman is about to sign a check to someone he asks for what he is owed. Taylor scoffed at the notion that Ukraine “owed” anything to Trump.

U.S. envoy says he was told release of Ukraine aid was contingent on public declaration to investigate Bidens, 2016 election
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He is using our tax payers money like its his!! Its just unbelievable.

"Don't worry about those blindfolds you're wearing, we'll continue to spoon feed you all of your favorite fantasies."
That's what you're doing to yourself, it's called confirmation bias. Look it up.

So you will call any evidence of trump's wrong doing nothing more than confirmation bias? That's as goofy as trump calling everything he doesn't like "fake news" That fat fool is so used to calling everything fake till he even said the emoluments clause in the constitution is a fake clause. Are you really gonna be as predictable and goofy as him?

You know better than to ask me that question. Or at least you should, I'm not pro Trump, never have been. But then again individual political ideology can blind even the smartest people, pull your blinders off.
Show me real evidence not "this is how I see it" evidence, "so and so told me" (second hand, not admissible in court) evidence, etc.

Testifying to the words said to him is not second hand, and since when has second hand information not been acceptable in court? Having a boxed set of all the old Perry Mason shows on VHS is not the same as actually knowing the rules of the court.

 

[Penelope]

is his.
------------------------------------------

A few days later, on Sept. 7, Taylor testified that Morrison related to him another conversation that Trump had with Sondland that gave him a “sinking feeling.” He told Taylor that Trump “did insist that President Zelensky go to a microphone and say he is opening investigations of Biden and 2016 election interference, and that President Zelensky should want to do this himself,” Taylor said, summarizing what he heard for lawmakers.

Taylor also told lawmakers that Sondland had explained that Trump is a “businessman” and that when a businessman is about to sign a check to someone he asks for what he is owed. Taylor scoffed at the notion that Ukraine “owed” anything to Trump.

U.S. envoy says he was told release of Ukraine aid was contingent on public declaration to investigate Bidens, 2016 election
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He is using our tax payers money like its his!! Its just unbelievable.

if withholding aid to get a corrupt politician in jail its well worth it,,,

Since you are talking about tramp, yes he belongs in jail. He would be in jail if he wasn't Potus. Soon he won't be.

Congratulations you're in the running to be the most deluded and stupid piece of crap on this board. The competition is very stiff so keep slinging shit.

Well hell its about time this crap comes out, don't you think, they tried hard to cover it up, didn't they.

 

[Ringel05]

Soliciting foreign assistance in elections is a crime.

It is? Show the statute.

And I'm referring specifically to this instance and it's possible REAL application to criminal law considering nothing of value was actually exchanged.

A false narrative of corruption regarding the main political opponent of a candidate that assists in their campaign is certainly of value. Otherwise why pursue it?

Politics........

Yes. For personal political gain, dope.
Self dealing.

Oh that's right, you believe that politicians, especially those that represent your ideology are above "politics......."
You live in a fantasy world but as long as you're happy.......
Just for the self deceptional, I put politics in quotation marks to represent all that encompasses that field of endeavor....... ALL........

 

[progressive hunter]

yes he was and is why he included the DOJ in on it,,,

and your opinion on whether there was corruption is just that,,OPINION,,,

you guys sure are squirming to say biden did nothing wrong,,,almost like you know he did and want any investigation into it stopped,,,otherwise you would sit back and watch republicans get egg on their faces if not true,,,

It's not opinion, dope.
Biden was acting in an official capacity and was implementing policy.

I gave you a link to Republican Senator Portman's page showing how his Ukranian group had the same misgivings with corruption in the prosecutor's office.

what does his son have to do with policy???

and sorry its still opinion,,,

why wont you just sit back and let the repubes get egg on their face??
its almost like you know something is wrong,,,

what does his son have to do with policy???

Absolutely nothing. That's the point, dope.

yes he was and is why he included the DOJ in on it,,,

and your opinion on whether there was corruption is just that,,OPINION,,,

you guys sure are squirming to say biden did nothing wrong,,,almost like you know he did and want any investigation into it stopped,,,otherwise you would sit back and watch republicans get egg on their faces if not true,,,

It's not opinion, dope.
Biden was acting in an official capacity and was implementing policy.

I gave you a link to Republican Senator Portman's page showing how his Ukranian group had the same misgivings with corruption in the prosecutor's office.

what does his son have to do with policy???

and sorry its still opinion,,,

why wont you just sit back and let the repubes get egg on their face??
its almost like you know something is wrong,,,

what does his son have to do with policy???

Absolutely nothing. That's the point, dope.

Then why was he working for a well known corrupt Oil and Gas company and got hired for a job he knew nothing about?
Why did he say no one knew about oil and gas?
CEO's all hired to an oil &gas company that knew nothing about oil and gas.

Because they offered him a lucrative job?

You're operating under the false assumption that Biden was acting for his son rather than for the administration.

Do you honestly believe a VP could act without the consent of the administration?

he could be doing both,, while one is legal the other not so much,,,

 

[Ringel05]

is his.
------------------------------------------

A few days later, on Sept. 7, Taylor testified that Morrison related to him another conversation that Trump had with Sondland that gave him a “sinking feeling.” He told Taylor that Trump “did insist that President Zelensky go to a microphone and say he is opening investigations of Biden and 2016 election interference, and that President Zelensky should want to do this himself,” Taylor said, summarizing what he heard for lawmakers.

Taylor also told lawmakers that Sondland had explained that Trump is a “businessman” and that when a businessman is about to sign a check to someone he asks for what he is owed. Taylor scoffed at the notion that Ukraine “owed” anything to Trump.

U.S. envoy says he was told release of Ukraine aid was contingent on public declaration to investigate Bidens, 2016 election
-----------------------------------------------

He is using our tax payers money like its his!! Its just unbelievable.

"Don't worry about those blindfolds you're wearing, we'll continue to spoon feed you all of your favorite fantasies."
That's what you're doing to yourself, it's called confirmation bias. Look it up.

So you will call any evidence of trump's wrong doing nothing more than confirmation bias? That's as goofy as trump calling everything he doesn't like "fake news" That fat fool is so used to calling everything fake till he even said the emoluments clause in the constitution is a fake clause. Are you really gonna be as predictable and goofy as him?

You know better than to ask me that question. Or at least you should, I'm not pro Trump, never have been. But then again individual political ideology can blind even the smartest people, pull your blinders off.
Show me real evidence not "this is how I see it" evidence, "so and so told me" (second hand, not admissible in court) evidence, etc.

Testifying to the words said to him is not second hand, and since when has second hand information not been acceptable in court? Having a boxed set of all the old Perry Mason shows on VHS is not the same as actually knowing the rules of the court.

Having spent many years in a modern court (as law enforcement on the side of the prosecution) it's rarely admitted without convincing, persuasive, corroborating evidence. Oh and the "etc" was my catch all..........

 

[Penelope]

Impeachment is neither a court proceeding nor requires a crime.

No shit Sherlock, I'm not addressing that. I'm addressing the claim by some that Trump is guilty of any crime, a claim that so far can only stand up in the court of public opinion. But more so I'm addressing HOW evidence is viewed by the courts, nothing more, nothing less. Hell, my point should have been obvious with "you have no clue how a court of law works".........

Soliciting foreign assistance in elections is a crime.

but bringing a corrupt politician to justice isnt,,, which is what trump was doing

No. He wasn't.
There was no corruption, dope.
It certainly didn't require an ask by the president to determine that. Certainly Trump's State Dept could have briefed the president on why that prosecutor was sacked.

There were many parties interested in cleaning up the prosecutors office long before Biden was involved. Including Republican Senators.

Republican senators echoed Biden in urging Ukrainian president to reform prosecutor general's office - CNNPolitics

Portman, Durbin, Shaheen, and Senate Ukraine Caucus Reaffirm Commitment to Help Ukraine Take on Corruption | Senator Rob Portman

yes he was and is why he included the DOJ in on it,,,

and your opinion on whether there was corruption is just that,,OPINION,,,

you guys sure are squirming to say biden did nothing wrong,,,almost like you know he did and want any investigation into it stopped,,,otherwise you would sit back and watch republicans get egg on their faces if not true,,,

Biden you say: read this,
---------------------------------

KYIV – Ukraine’s Georgian-born Deputy Prosecutor General David Sakvarelidze was suddenly relieved of his duties on Tuesday by his superior, Viktor Shokin, just hours before Shokin was himself voted out of office by Ukraine’s parliament, the Verkhovna Rada.

Shokin’s decision to dismiss Sakvarelidze has been widely panned by the Ukrainian media and the country’s Western-leaning reformist politicians who accuse Shokin of political grandstanding at a time when his much-maligned tenure as the country’s chief law enforcement official appeared to be at an end.

International observers - including top US and European officials - have sharply criticized the decision, saying the move is a major blow to the clean government reforms that Kyiv has struggled to implement since the 2013-14 Maidan Revolution ousted former pro-Russian President Viktor Yanukovych.



Frustration from Key Allies
The sharper tone from Shokin’s critics comes amid a growing chorus of frustration from Ukrainian and European officials who have in recent months accused Shokin of intentionally sabotaging anti-graft investigations and the prosecution of those responsible for the deliberate killing of more than 100 Maidan protestors by Yanukovych’s Berkut riot police in January-February 2014.

During a December 2015 visit to Kyiv, US Vice President Joe Biden said corruption emanating from the prosecutor general’s office was eating away at Ukraine’s key reform attempts “like a cancer.”

Foreign creditors have long complained about high-level corruption in the prosecutor’s office, a Soviet relic that provides unprecedented power to one individual over the country’s court and prosecution system.

International Monetary Fund (IMF) Director Christine Lagarde reiterated their frustrations in February when she said that the lack of progress in fighting government corruption in Ukraine meant that the IMF might be forced to halt the support program that has kept the country afloat for the last two years


The corrosive influence Shokin exerted on Ukraine’s judicial process has been blamed by top Ukrainian officials, including Sakvarelidze and former Georgian President-turned Odessa Governor Mikheil Saakashvili, as having played a major role in derailing the government’s reform efforts; most of which have been hobbled by bureaucratic infighting and blatant power grabs by Ukraine’s Moscow-backed oligarchs, whose business interests are closely tied to Shokin’s.

Shokin’s own subordinates have been linked to several cases involving stolen funds donated by Western lenders and earmarked for the implementation of reformist policies and privatization projects.

In one high profile case, huge sums of cash and a trove of diamonds were found alongside personal documents with Shokin’s signature in the homes of two of his top lieutenants, indicating that they had taken bribes with Shokin’s blessing.

When a prosecutor in Shokin’s office attempted to bring the case to trial, members of the staff with either fired or forced to resign.

Georgian-born Sakvarelidze Sacked by Ukraine’s Disgraced Prosecutor General
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take that and shove it, apology would be accepted. LOL Now I should not have to continue to read about how crooked Biden was,

because I saved this article and I will pull it out everytime someone says Biden was crooked.