All this talk of Trump and Russia

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All this talk of Trump and Russia reminds me of the secret letter Ted Kennedy sent the USSR in the 1980's

Picking his way through the Soviet archives that Boris Yeltsin had just thrown open, in 1991 Tim Sebastian, a reporter for the London Times, came across an arresting memorandum. Composed in 1983 by Victor Chebrikov, the top man at the KGB, the memorandum was addressed to Yuri Andropov, the top man in the entire USSR. The subject: Sen. Edward Kennedy.

“On 9-10 May of this year,” the May 14 memorandum explained, “Sen. Edward Kennedy’s close friend and trusted confidant [John] Tunney was in Moscow.” (Tunney was Kennedy’s law school roommate and a former Democratic senator from California.) “The senator charged Tunney to convey the following message, through confidential contacts, to the General Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, Y. Andropov.”

Kennedy’s message was simple. He proposed an unabashed quid pro quo. Kennedy would lend Andropov a hand in dealing with President Reagan. In return, the Soviet leader would lend the Democratic Party a hand in challenging Reagan in the 1984 presidential election. “The only real potential threats to Reagan are problems of war and peace and Soviet-American relations,” the memorandum stated. “These issues, according to the senator, will without a doubt become the most important of the election campaign.”

Kennedy made Andropov a couple of specific offers.

First he offered to visit Moscow. “The main purpose of the meeting, according to the senator, would be to arm Soviet officials with explanations regarding problems of nuclear disarmament so they may be better prepared and more convincing during appearances in the USA.” Kennedy would help the Soviets deal with Reagan by telling them how to brush up their propaganda.

Then he offered to make it possible for Andropov to sit down for a few interviews on American television. “A direct appeal … to the American people will, without a doubt, attract a great deal of attention and interest in the country. … If the proposal is recognized as worthy, then Kennedy and his friends will bring about suitable steps to have representatives of the largest television companies in the USA contact Y.V. Andropov for an invitation to Moscow for the interviews. … The senator underlined the importance that this initiative should be seen as coming from the American side.”

Kennedy would make certain the networks gave Andropov air time–and that they rigged the arrangement to look like honest journalism.

Kennedy’s motives? “Like other rational people,” the memorandum explained, “[Kennedy] is very troubled by the current state of Soviet-American relations.” But that high-minded concern represented only one of Kennedy’s motives.

“Tunney remarked that the senator wants to run for president in 1988,” the memorandum continued. “Kennedy does not discount that during the 1984 campaign, the Democratic Party may officially turn to him to lead the fight against the Republicans and elect their candidate president.”

Kennedy proved eager to deal with Andropov–the leader of the Soviet Union, a former director of the KGB and a principal mover in both the crushing of the 1956 Hungarian Revolution and the suppression of the 1968 Prague Spring–at least in part to advance his own political prospects.

In 1992, Tim Sebastian published a story about the memorandum in the London Times. Here in the U.S., Sebastian’s story received no attention. In his 2006 book, The Crusader: Ronald Reagan and the Fall of Communism, historian Paul Kengor reprinted the memorandum in full. “The media,” Kengor says, “ignored the revelation.”

“The document,” Kengor continues, “has stood the test of time. I scrutinized it more carefully than anything I’ve ever dealt with as a scholar. I showed the document to numerous authorities who deal with Soviet archival material. No one has debunked the memorandum or shown it to be a forgery. Kennedy’s office did not deny it.”

Why bring all this up now? No evidence exists that Andropov ever acted on the memorandum–within eight months, the Soviet leader would be dead–and now that Kennedy himself has died even many of the former senator’s opponents find themselves grieving. Yet precisely because Kennedy represented such a commanding figure–perhaps the most compelling liberal of our day–we need to consider his record in full.

Doing so, it turns out, requires pondering a document in the archives of the politburo.

When President Reagan chose to confront the Soviet Union, calling it the evil empire that it was, Sen. Edward Kennedy chose to offer aid and comfort to General Secretary Andropov. On the Cold War, the greatest issue of his lifetime, Kennedy got it wrong.

Peter Robinson, a research fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University and a former White House speechwriter, writes a weekly column for Forbes.
 
It is totally different. You have an American seeking out Soviet aid, as opposed to ex-soviets illegally obtaining private information.
 
It is totally different. You have an American seeking out Soviet aid, as opposed to ex-soviets illegally obtaining private information.

The question is. Did they get any information??

The FBI doesn't seem to think so but every looney lefty on this board who backed Hillary thinks Trump is a traitor.

What a load of horseshit.
 
It is totally different. You have an American seeking out Soviet aid, as opposed to ex-soviets illegally obtaining private information.

The question is. Did they get any information??

The FBI doesn't seem to think so but every looney lefty on this board who backed Hillary thinks Trump is a traitor.

What a load of horseshit.


exactly what Reagan would think too .. Trump is a traitor.
 
It is totally different. You have an American seeking out Soviet aid, as opposed to ex-soviets illegally obtaining private information.


since when does context matter to Trumpbots ?
It is totally different. You have an American seeking out Soviet aid, as opposed to ex-soviets illegally obtaining private information.

The question is. Did they get any information??

The FBI doesn't seem to think so but every looney lefty on this board who backed Hillary thinks Trump is a traitor.

What a load of horseshit.


exactly what Reagan would think too .. Trump is a traitor.

Naah. He just beat Hillary.

Suck it up dumbass.
 
It is totally different. You have an American seeking out Soviet aid, as opposed to ex-soviets illegally obtaining private information.

The question is. Did they get any information??

The FBI doesn't seem to think so but every looney lefty on this board who backed Hillary thinks Trump is a traitor.

What a load of horseshit.
As long as Trump keeps running down our intelligence agencies and defending Russia he is a traitor in the legal sense of the word, damaging our country on behalf of another. Putin is going to dance with joy when Trump cripples the CIA just for spite.
 
It is totally different. You have an American seeking out Soviet aid, as opposed to ex-soviets illegally obtaining private information.

The question is. Did they get any information??

The FBI doesn't seem to think so but every looney lefty on this board who backed Hillary thinks Trump is a traitor.

What a load of horseshit.
As long as Trump keeps running down our intelligence agencies and defending Russia he is a traitor in the legal sense of the word, damaging our country on behalf of another. Putin is going to dance with joy when Trump cripples the CIA just for spite.

OMG Another looney.

Do you honestly think Trump favors Russia over the US?? If you do then you are a bigger dunce than I thought you were.

Trump crippling the CIA for spite?? Where the hell do you get this garbage??

You sure are one dumb fuck if you believe that tripe you just posted. Good God grow the fuck up and put your butthurt behind you. Dumbass.
 
I guess the left wants to invade Russia like they did Libya.

There is no proof of any of this. The media are the same people that said Trump told Putin to hack Hillarys server.
 
It is totally different. You have an American seeking out Soviet aid, as opposed to ex-soviets illegally obtaining private information.


since when does context matter to Trumpbots ?
It is totally different. You have an American seeking out Soviet aid, as opposed to ex-soviets illegally obtaining private information.

The question is. Did they get any information??

The FBI doesn't seem to think so but every looney lefty on this board who backed Hillary thinks Trump is a traitor.

What a load of horseshit.


exactly what Reagan would think too .. Trump is a traitor.

Naah. He just beat Hillary.

Suck it up dumbass.


ahem,


:321:
 
It is totally different. You have an American seeking out Soviet aid, as opposed to ex-soviets illegally obtaining private information.

The question is. Did they get any information??

The FBI doesn't seem to think so but every looney lefty on this board who backed Hillary thinks Trump is a traitor.

What a load of horseshit.
As long as Trump keeps running down our intelligence agencies and defending Russia he is a traitor in the legal sense of the word, damaging our country on behalf of another. Putin is going to dance with joy when Trump cripples the CIA just for spite.

OMG Another looney.

Do you honestly think Trump favors Russia over the US?? If you do then you are a bigger dunce than I thought you were.

Trump crippling the CIA for spite?? Where the hell do you get this garbage??

You sure are one dumb fuck if you believe that tripe you just posted. Good God grow the fuck up and put your butthurt behind you. Dumbass.
Get this dumbass, a significant number of congressmen, intelligence experts and informed American citizens are convinced Russia attacked our election by various means and our president elect is running cover for them. He is acting like these very real concerns are meaningless. Is he our President or a Russian plant? Right now his behavior says Plant. You guys want this to go away? Tell your man to quit acting guilty as fuck.
 
It is totally different. You have an American seeking out Soviet aid, as opposed to ex-soviets illegally obtaining private information.

Yes, there is a difference and to Trump defenders differences dont matter
 
remember the prick Trump picked to straw boss his campaign, and after his past Russian ties were outed he vanished like a fart in a wind tunnel ?

Trump's campaign manager also has a tangential tie to the Kremlin. Paul Manafort had advised Ukraine's ex-president Viktor Yanukovich when he was largely considered Russia's political puppet. Following a Ukraine revolt, Yanukovich fled to Russia.
 
His latest jaw-dropping call to Putin came on Wednesday, when Trump publicly prodded the Russian government to hack Clinton to track down the government emails she deleted.

"Russia, if you're listening, I hope you find the 33,000 emails that are missing," he said at a press conference in Doral, Florida




Then there's a Russian ex-con named Felix Sater. He was an executive at the Bayrock Group, which licensed the Trump name to build the Trump SoHo New York and Trump Tower Fort Lauderdale.

Sater pleaded guilty to racketeering in 1998.


In 2008, a Russian billionaire paid Trump $95 million for a Florida mansion. Trump made $54 million on the deal.


Trump tried several times to build a signature Trump Tower in Moscow. It never worked out.
 
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His latest jaw-dropping call to Putin came on Wednesday, when Trump publicly prodded the Russian government to hack Clinton to track down the government emails she deleted.

"Russia, if you're listening, I hope you find the 33,000 emails that are missing," he said at a press conference in Doral, Florida




Then there's a Russian ex-con named Felix Sater. He was an executive at the Bayrock Group, which licensed the Trump name to build the Trump SoHo New York and Trump Tower Fort Lauderdale.

Sater pleaded guilty to racketeering in 1998.


In 2008, a Russian billionaire paid Trump $95 million for a Florida mansion. Trump made $54 million on the deal.


Trump tried several times to build a signature Trump Tower in Moscow. It never worked out.



of course Trumpbots swear theres NO proof.... them being too fucking stupid to read is no excuse.
 
It is totally different. You have an American seeking out Soviet aid, as opposed to ex-soviets illegally obtaining private information.

The question is. Did they get any information??

The FBI doesn't seem to think so but every looney lefty on this board who backed Hillary thinks Trump is a traitor.

What a load of horseshit.
As long as Trump keeps running down our intelligence agencies and defending Russia he is a traitor in the legal sense of the word, damaging our country on behalf of another. Putin is going to dance with joy when Trump cripples the CIA just for spite.

OMG Another looney.

Do you honestly think Trump favors Russia over the US?? If you do then you are a bigger dunce than I thought you were.

Trump crippling the CIA for spite?? Where the hell do you get this garbage??

You sure are one dumb fuck if you believe that tripe you just posted. Good God grow the fuck up and put your butthurt behind you. Dumbass.
Get this dumbass, a significant number of congressmen, intelligence experts and informed American citizens are convinced Russia attacked our election by various means and our president elect is running cover for them. He is acting like these very real concerns are meaningless. Is he our President or a Russian plant? Right now his behavior says Plant. You guys want this to go away? Tell your man to quit acting guilty as fuck.


Hes not acting guilty, you just cant face it.
Youre gonna have to face it, youre candidate got their ass kicked.
Bring on the hearings!!!!! Lets.find.out what Russia knows, maybe they have emails from out govt, hmmmmm

Everything you try blows up in your face


How that recount going? Trump gains votes, judges rule there is nothing to see......you guys make this soooo fun.
 

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