All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss

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Speaking of the second intifada, I always wondered why Palestinians would kill themselves in a suicide bombing, followed by other Palestinians celebrating their death and paying their family, then they complain to the world when Israel kills them in retaliation. So just to repeat, it was ok for Palestinians to kill themselves, but when they died by Israeli retaliation...well you know.
How pathetic....
Israel always has to defend itself from the people it is attacking.
Maybe you’re right. Maybe they should have done nothing while Palestinians just freely blew themselves up in Israel, killing scores of civilians.
BTW, the second intifada started after Ariel Sharon’s visit to the Temple Mount, not because Israel attacked anyone.

Any other lies you would like to spread Tinmore ?
 

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RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The injection of Fascism, as Political Ideology, into the discussion.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, Hollie, toastman, et al,

BLUF: Our friends have it on target.

These people expected Israel to just sit back and watch as Palestinians sent suicide bombers into Israeli cities. Never going to happen..
(COMMENT)

Fascism is a social structure built upon nationalism and opposition to the central theme behind communism
(political) and socialism (economic). What makes fascism evil in the eyes of the westernized republics is the components of authoritarian and dictatorial power. Absent those two components and you have "utilitarianism." And while the North African and Middle East Regions have a lot of authoritarian or dictatorial governments, Israel is not among them. And I oppose "Tinmore's" suggestion that Mohammad Bakri reveals anything, it is the depth of fascism in the State of Israel - is disassociated from the ground truth. Like many movies, there is a certain amount of fantasy involved. Israel is neither authoritarian nor dictatorial in its leadership or government.

The Acute Stress Response
(AKA: Fight or Flight) demonstrated by Israel is a general human reaction (trigger to a hormone release) in a threat to a survival scenario. It is a likely outcome to any Arab Palestinian offense which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power in the disputed territories or similarly involving a threat made against the sovereignty or territorial integrity of Israel. When you reduce the Israeli Policy to its simplest form, you find it is essentially what we would call a "stand your ground" policy (no retreat); adopted and applied at the international level.

Normally we associate "nationalism" with an "evil intent." But that is a mischaracterization. And it is outside the topic.

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Most Respectfully,
R
You always take on Israel's talking point that it is the Palestinians who are the aggressors.
How did you expect Israel to react to Palestinians sending in suicide bombers into Israel? Sit back and do nothing? The is not a ‘he started it ! No, HE started it’ argument. This is Israel going in and doing what they had to do eliminate the threat.
"into Israel" is an interesting concept when there are no borders. How would you know where into is?
Israel has INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED borders with Egypt and Jordan. You cannot deny or refute that no matter how hard you try.
Well maybe. Which ones do the Palestinians cross to go into Israel?
 

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Speaking of the second intifada, I always wondered why Palestinians would kill themselves in a suicide bombing, followed by other Palestinians celebrating their death and paying their family, then they complain to the world when Israel kills them in retaliation. So just to repeat, it was ok for Palestinians to kill themselves, but when they died by Israeli retaliation...well you know.
How pathetic....
Israel always has to defend itself from the people it is attacking.
Maybe you’re right. Maybe they should have done nothing while Palestinians just freely blew themselves up in Israel, killing scores of civilians.
BTW, the second intifada started after Ariel Sharon’s visit to the Temple Mount, not because Israel attacked anyone.

Any other lies you would like to spread Tinmore ?
Isrfael attacks the Palestinians every day.
 

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Speaking of the second intifada, I always wondered why Palestinians would kill themselves in a suicide bombing, followed by other Palestinians celebrating their death and paying their family, then they complain to the world when Israel kills them in retaliation. So just to repeat, it was ok for Palestinians to kill themselves, but when they died by Israeli retaliation...well you know.
How pathetic....
Israel always has to defend itself from the people it is attacking.
Maybe you’re right. Maybe they should have done nothing while Palestinians just freely blew themselves up in Israel, killing scores of civilians.
BTW, the second intifada started after Ariel Sharon’s visit to the Temple Mount, not because Israel attacked anyone.

Any other lies you would like to spread Tinmore ?
Isrfael attacks the Palestinians every day.
Link?
 

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RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The injection of Fascism, as Political Ideology, into the discussion.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, Hollie, toastman, et al,

BLUF: Our friends have it on target.

These people expected Israel to just sit back and watch as Palestinians sent suicide bombers into Israeli cities. Never going to happen..
(COMMENT)

Fascism is a social structure built upon nationalism and opposition to the central theme behind communism
(political) and socialism (economic). What makes fascism evil in the eyes of the westernized republics is the components of authoritarian and dictatorial power. Absent those two components and you have "utilitarianism." And while the North African and Middle East Regions have a lot of authoritarian or dictatorial governments, Israel is not among them. And I oppose "Tinmore's" suggestion that Mohammad Bakri reveals anything, it is the depth of fascism in the State of Israel - is disassociated from the ground truth. Like many movies, there is a certain amount of fantasy involved. Israel is neither authoritarian nor dictatorial in its leadership or government.

The Acute Stress Response
(AKA: Fight or Flight) demonstrated by Israel is a general human reaction (trigger to a hormone release) in a threat to a survival scenario. It is a likely outcome to any Arab Palestinian offense which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power in the disputed territories or similarly involving a threat made against the sovereignty or territorial integrity of Israel. When you reduce the Israeli Policy to its simplest form, you find it is essentially what we would call a "stand your ground" policy (no retreat); adopted and applied at the international level.

Normally we associate "nationalism" with an "evil intent." But that is a mischaracterization. And it is outside the topic.

SIGIL PAIR.png

Most Respectfully,
R
You always take on Israel's talking point that it is the Palestinians who are the aggressors.
How did you expect Israel to react to Palestinians sending in suicide bombers into Israel? Sit back and do nothing? The is not a ‘he started it ! No, HE started it’ argument. This is Israel going in and doing what they had to do eliminate the threat.
"into Israel" is an interesting concept when there are no borders. How would you know where into is?
Israel has INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED borders with Egypt and Jordan. You cannot deny or refute that no matter how hard you try.
Well maybe. Which ones do the Palestinians cross to go into Israel?
The ones that Israel defends.
 

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RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The injection of Fascism, as Political Ideology, into the discussion.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, Hollie, toastman, et al,

BLUF: Our friends have it on target.

These people expected Israel to just sit back and watch as Palestinians sent suicide bombers into Israeli cities. Never going to happen..
(COMMENT)

Fascism is a social structure built upon nationalism and opposition to the central theme behind communism
(political) and socialism (economic). What makes fascism evil in the eyes of the westernized republics is the components of authoritarian and dictatorial power. Absent those two components and you have "utilitarianism." And while the North African and Middle East Regions have a lot of authoritarian or dictatorial governments, Israel is not among them. And I oppose "Tinmore's" suggestion that Mohammad Bakri reveals anything, it is the depth of fascism in the State of Israel - is disassociated from the ground truth. Like many movies, there is a certain amount of fantasy involved. Israel is neither authoritarian nor dictatorial in its leadership or government.

The Acute Stress Response
(AKA: Fight or Flight) demonstrated by Israel is a general human reaction (trigger to a hormone release) in a threat to a survival scenario. It is a likely outcome to any Arab Palestinian offense which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power in the disputed territories or similarly involving a threat made against the sovereignty or territorial integrity of Israel. When you reduce the Israeli Policy to its simplest form, you find it is essentially what we would call a "stand your ground" policy (no retreat); adopted and applied at the international level.

Normally we associate "nationalism" with an "evil intent." But that is a mischaracterization. And it is outside the topic.

SIGIL PAIR.png

Most Respectfully,
R
You always take on Israel's talking point that it is the Palestinians who are the aggressors.
How did you expect Israel to react to Palestinians sending in suicide bombers into Israel? Sit back and do nothing? The is not a ‘he started it ! No, HE started it’ argument. This is Israel going in and doing what they had to do eliminate the threat.
"into Israel" is an interesting concept when there are no borders. How would you know where into is?
Israel has INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED borders with Egypt and Jordan. You cannot deny or refute that no matter how hard you try.
Well maybe. Which ones do the Palestinians cross to go into Israel?
The ones that Israel defends.
Duck.
 

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RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The injection of Fascism, as Political Ideology, into the discussion.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, Hollie, toastman, et al,

BLUF: Our friends have it on target.

These people expected Israel to just sit back and watch as Palestinians sent suicide bombers into Israeli cities. Never going to happen..
(COMMENT)

Fascism is a social structure built upon nationalism and opposition to the central theme behind communism
(political) and socialism (economic). What makes fascism evil in the eyes of the westernized republics is the components of authoritarian and dictatorial power. Absent those two components and you have "utilitarianism." And while the North African and Middle East Regions have a lot of authoritarian or dictatorial governments, Israel is not among them. And I oppose "Tinmore's" suggestion that Mohammad Bakri reveals anything, it is the depth of fascism in the State of Israel - is disassociated from the ground truth. Like many movies, there is a certain amount of fantasy involved. Israel is neither authoritarian nor dictatorial in its leadership or government.

The Acute Stress Response
(AKA: Fight or Flight) demonstrated by Israel is a general human reaction (trigger to a hormone release) in a threat to a survival scenario. It is a likely outcome to any Arab Palestinian offense which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power in the disputed territories or similarly involving a threat made against the sovereignty or territorial integrity of Israel. When you reduce the Israeli Policy to its simplest form, you find it is essentially what we would call a "stand your ground" policy (no retreat); adopted and applied at the international level.

Normally we associate "nationalism" with an "evil intent." But that is a mischaracterization. And it is outside the topic.

SIGIL PAIR.png

Most Respectfully,
R
You always take on Israel's talking point that it is the Palestinians who are the aggressors.
How did you expect Israel to react to Palestinians sending in suicide bombers into Israel? Sit back and do nothing? The is not a ‘he started it ! No, HE started it’ argument. This is Israel going in and doing what they had to do eliminate the threat.
"into Israel" is an interesting concept when there are no borders. How would you know where into is?
Israel has INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED borders with Egypt and Jordan. You cannot deny or refute that no matter how hard you try.
Well maybe. Which ones do the Palestinians cross to go into Israel?
Palestine isn't a country, they have no borders.
 

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RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, Hollie, toastman, et al,

BLUF: The boundaries in which Israel claims sovereignty are recognized; → by treaty, conflict complaint, ground markers, and maps
(Air, Land and Sea).

You always take on Israel's talking point that it is the Palestinians who are the aggressors.
How did you expect Israel to react to Palestinians sending in suicide bombers into Israel? Sit back and do nothing? The is not a ‘he started it ! No, HE started it’ argument. This is Israel going in and doing what they had to do eliminate the threat.
"into Israel" is an interesting concept when there are no borders. How would you know where into is?
The Israeli borders are identifiable. Your alternate realities are a hoot.
(COMMENT)

It may be beyond our friend "PF Tinmore's" ability to comprehend. But the boundaries of Israel are recognized and have been defended for decades. The boundaries are so well known that the Arab Palestinians demand that the Israelis withdraw to the "delineation and demarcation of agreed upon borders are central to reaching an end of conflict on the basis of the two-state solution. A State of Palestine based on pre June 4th 1967 [which is defined as the 1949 Armistice Line] border with East Jerusalem as its Capital." (PLO-NAD Borders)

This idea that the boundaries are somehow • not there • because you do not recognize them is simply childish. I guarantee you that the Arab Palestinians in the region (as well as the Jordanians) • can recognize immediately when they are near the delineated boundary on the ground.


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Most Respectfully,
R
 

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RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The injection of Fascism, as Political Ideology, into the discussion.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, Hollie, toastman, et al,

BLUF: Our friends have it on target.

These people expected Israel to just sit back and watch as Palestinians sent suicide bombers into Israeli cities. Never going to happen..
(COMMENT)

Fascism is a social structure built upon nationalism and opposition to the central theme behind communism
(political) and socialism (economic). What makes fascism evil in the eyes of the westernized republics is the components of authoritarian and dictatorial power. Absent those two components and you have "utilitarianism." And while the North African and Middle East Regions have a lot of authoritarian or dictatorial governments, Israel is not among them. And I oppose "Tinmore's" suggestion that Mohammad Bakri reveals anything, it is the depth of fascism in the State of Israel - is disassociated from the ground truth. Like many movies, there is a certain amount of fantasy involved. Israel is neither authoritarian nor dictatorial in its leadership or government.

The Acute Stress Response
(AKA: Fight or Flight) demonstrated by Israel is a general human reaction (trigger to a hormone release) in a threat to a survival scenario. It is a likely outcome to any Arab Palestinian offense which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power in the disputed territories or similarly involving a threat made against the sovereignty or territorial integrity of Israel. When you reduce the Israeli Policy to its simplest form, you find it is essentially what we would call a "stand your ground" policy (no retreat); adopted and applied at the international level.

Normally we associate "nationalism" with an "evil intent." But that is a mischaracterization. And it is outside the topic.

SIGIL PAIR.png

Most Respectfully,
R
You always take on Israel's talking point that it is the Palestinians who are the aggressors.
How did you expect Israel to react to Palestinians sending in suicide bombers into Israel? Sit back and do nothing? The is not a ‘he started it ! No, HE started it’ argument. This is Israel going in and doing what they had to do eliminate the threat.
"into Israel" is an interesting concept when there are no borders. How would you know where into is?
Israel has INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED borders with Egypt and Jordan. You cannot deny or refute that no matter how hard you try.
Well maybe. Which ones do the Palestinians cross to go into Israel?
The ones that Israel defends.
Duck.
Deflection.
 

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RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, Hollie, toastman, et al,

BLUF: The boundaries in which Israel claims sovereignty are recognized; → by treaty, conflict complaint, ground markers, and maps
(Air, Land and Sea).

You always take on Israel's talking point that it is the Palestinians who are the aggressors.
How did you expect Israel to react to Palestinians sending in suicide bombers into Israel? Sit back and do nothing? The is not a ‘he started it ! No, HE started it’ argument. This is Israel going in and doing what they had to do eliminate the threat.
"into Israel" is an interesting concept when there are no borders. How would you know where into is?
The Israeli borders are identifiable. Your alternate realities are a hoot.
(COMMENT)

It may be beyond our friend "PF Tinmore's" ability to comprehend. But the boundaries of Israel are recognized and have been defended for decades. The boundaries are so well known that the Arab Palestinians demand that the Israelis withdraw to the "delineation and demarcation of agreed upon borders are central to reaching an end of conflict on the basis of the two-state solution. A State of Palestine based on pre June 4th 1967 [which is defined as the 1949 Armistice Line] border with East Jerusalem as its Capital." (PLO-NAD Borders)

This idea that the boundaries are somehow • not there • because you do not recognize them is simply childish. I guarantee you that the Arab Palestinians in the region (as well as the Jordanians) • can recognize immediately when they are near the delineated boundary on the ground.


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Most Respectfully,
R
It seems Hamas knew where the Israeli border was located when they organized the "March of Take a 7.62x51 to the Torso'' riots in 2018 and 2019.

If P F Tinmore had sent an email to a Hamas rep., I'm sure that rep. could have offered some assistance.
 

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Tinmore’s so called “arguments” are so ridiculous and absurd, even other Palestinian supporters don’t want him on their side :lol:
 

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RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, Hollie, toastman, et al,

BLUF: The boundaries in which Israel claims sovereignty are recognized; → by treaty, conflict complaint, ground markers, and maps
(Air, Land and Sea).

You always take on Israel's talking point that it is the Palestinians who are the aggressors.
How did you expect Israel to react to Palestinians sending in suicide bombers into Israel? Sit back and do nothing? The is not a ‘he started it ! No, HE started it’ argument. This is Israel going in and doing what they had to do eliminate the threat.
"into Israel" is an interesting concept when there are no borders. How would you know where into is?
The Israeli borders are identifiable. Your alternate realities are a hoot.
(COMMENT)

It may be beyond our friend "PF Tinmore's" ability to comprehend. But the boundaries of Israel are recognized and have been defended for decades. The boundaries are so well known that the Arab Palestinians demand that the Israelis withdraw to the "delineation and demarcation of agreed upon borders are central to reaching an end of conflict on the basis of the two-state solution. A State of Palestine based on pre June 4th 1967 [which is defined as the 1949 Armistice Line] border with East Jerusalem as its Capital." (PLO-NAD Borders)

This idea that the boundaries are somehow • not there • because you do not recognize them is simply childish. I guarantee you that the Arab Palestinians in the region (as well as the Jordanians) • can recognize immediately when they are near the delineated boundary on the ground.


SIGIL PAIR.png

Most Respectfully,
R
It seems Hamas knew where the Israeli border was located when they organized the "March of Take a 7.62x51 to the Torso'' riots in 2018 and 2019.

If P F Tinmore had sent an email to a Hamas rep., I'm sure that rep. could have offered some assistance.
Palestine's international borders are documented. Israel's borders are say so.
 

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RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, Hollie, toastman, et al,

BLUF: The boundaries in which Israel claims sovereignty are recognized; → by treaty, conflict complaint, ground markers, and maps
(Air, Land and Sea).

Palestine's international borders are documented. Israel's borders are say so.
(REFERENCES)

23 January 2020 Posting # 374

◈ 20 September 2020 Posting #290

◈ 11 November 2020 Posting #955

(LIMITATIONS)

These diversions from reality only serve to derail the meat of the subject.
φ First Off: Don't mention Article 30 Treaty of Lausanne or the Armistice Agreements. These references have nothing whatsoever to do with the disposition of territories.​
φ Second: Don't reference the Treaties between the Allied Powers of specific members of the Allied Powers. They grant no obligation to the Abar Palestinians in any way shape or form.​
φ Third: Don't mention Civil or Political Rights unless you can cite the specific Article which is binding.​

(COMMENT)

It really should not be necessary that we repeat the international boundaries (over and over again with the most recent agreement) as the be the relevant treaties vis-à-vis the West Bank and Gaza Strip. You can throw the Oslo Accords into the mix, but as I understand it, remembering that the Oslo Accords are the agreements between Israel and the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO); the PLO being the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian People. However, the Jordanians abandon the West Bank into the hands of the Israelis in late July 1988 - three and a half months before declaring the State of Palestine.

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R
 

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RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, Hollie, toastman, et al,

BLUF: The boundaries in which Israel claims sovereignty are recognized; → by treaty, conflict complaint, ground markers, and maps
(Air, Land and Sea).

You always take on Israel's talking point that it is the Palestinians who are the aggressors.
How did you expect Israel to react to Palestinians sending in suicide bombers into Israel? Sit back and do nothing? The is not a ‘he started it ! No, HE started it’ argument. This is Israel going in and doing what they had to do eliminate the threat.
"into Israel" is an interesting concept when there are no borders. How would you know where into is?
The Israeli borders are identifiable. Your alternate realities are a hoot.
(COMMENT)

It may be beyond our friend "PF Tinmore's" ability to comprehend. But the boundaries of Israel are recognized and have been defended for decades. The boundaries are so well known that the Arab Palestinians demand that the Israelis withdraw to the "delineation and demarcation of agreed upon borders are central to reaching an end of conflict on the basis of the two-state solution. A State of Palestine based on pre June 4th 1967 [which is defined as the 1949 Armistice Line] border with East Jerusalem as its Capital." (PLO-NAD Borders)

This idea that the boundaries are somehow • not there • because you do not recognize them is simply childish. I guarantee you that the Arab Palestinians in the region (as well as the Jordanians) • can recognize immediately when they are near the delineated boundary on the ground.


SIGIL PAIR.png

Most Respectfully,
R
It seems Hamas knew where the Israeli border was located when they organized the "March of Take a 7.62x51 to the Torso'' riots in 2018 and 2019.

If P F Tinmore had sent an email to a Hamas rep., I'm sure that rep. could have offered some assistance.
Palestine's international borders are documented. Israel's borders are say so.
Yet, facts refute your nonsense claims.
 

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RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, Hollie, toastman, et al,

BLUF: The boundaries in which Israel claims sovereignty are recognized; → by treaty, conflict complaint, ground markers, and maps
(Air, Land and Sea).

Palestine's international borders are documented. Israel's borders are say so.
(REFERENCES)

23 January 2020 Posting # 374

◈ 20 September 2020 Posting #290

◈ 11 November 2020 Posting #955

(LIMITATIONS)

These diversions from reality only serve to derail the meat of the subject.
φ First Off: Don't mention Article 30 Treaty of Lausanne or the Armistice Agreements. These references have nothing whatsoever to do with the disposition of territories.​
φ Second: Don't reference the Treaties between the Allied Powers of specific members of the Allied Powers. They grant no obligation to the Abar Palestinians in any way shape or form.​
φ Third: Don't mention Civil or Political Rights unless you can cite the specific Article which is binding.​

(COMMENT)

It really should not be necessary that we repeat the international boundaries (over and over again with the most recent agreement) as the be the relevant treaties vis-à-vis the West Bank and Gaza Strip. You can throw the Oslo Accords into the mix, but as I understand it, remembering that the Oslo Accords are the agreements between Israel and the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO); the PLO being the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian People. However, the Jordanians abandon the West Bank into the hands of the Israelis in late July 1988 - three and a half months before declaring the State of Palestine.

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R
When did Israel define all of its borders?

Link?
 

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RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, Hollie, toastman, et al,

BLUF: The boundaries in which Israel claims sovereignty are recognized; → by treaty, conflict complaint, ground markers, and maps
(Air, Land and Sea).

You always take on Israel's talking point that it is the Palestinians who are the aggressors.
How did you expect Israel to react to Palestinians sending in suicide bombers into Israel? Sit back and do nothing? The is not a ‘he started it ! No, HE started it’ argument. This is Israel going in and doing what they had to do eliminate the threat.
"into Israel" is an interesting concept when there are no borders. How would you know where into is?
The Israeli borders are identifiable. Your alternate realities are a hoot.
(COMMENT)

It may be beyond our friend "PF Tinmore's" ability to comprehend. But the boundaries of Israel are recognized and have been defended for decades. The boundaries are so well known that the Arab Palestinians demand that the Israelis withdraw to the "delineation and demarcation of agreed upon borders are central to reaching an end of conflict on the basis of the two-state solution. A State of Palestine based on pre June 4th 1967 [which is defined as the 1949 Armistice Line] border with East Jerusalem as its Capital." (PLO-NAD Borders)

This idea that the boundaries are somehow • not there • because you do not recognize them is simply childish. I guarantee you that the Arab Palestinians in the region (as well as the Jordanians) • can recognize immediately when they are near the delineated boundary on the ground.


SIGIL PAIR.png

Most Respectfully,
R
It seems Hamas knew where the Israeli border was located when they organized the "March of Take a 7.62x51 to the Torso'' riots in 2018 and 2019.

If P F Tinmore had sent an email to a Hamas rep., I'm sure that rep. could have offered some assistance.
Palestine's international borders are documented. Israel's borders are say so.
Yet, facts refute your nonsense claims.
Israeli say so is not fact.
 

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RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, Hollie, toastman, et al,

BLUF: The boundaries in which Israel claims sovereignty are recognized; → by treaty, conflict complaint, ground markers, and maps
(Air, Land and Sea).

You always take on Israel's talking point that it is the Palestinians who are the aggressors.
How did you expect Israel to react to Palestinians sending in suicide bombers into Israel? Sit back and do nothing? The is not a ‘he started it ! No, HE started it’ argument. This is Israel going in and doing what they had to do eliminate the threat.
"into Israel" is an interesting concept when there are no borders. How would you know where into is?
The Israeli borders are identifiable. Your alternate realities are a hoot.
(COMMENT)

It may be beyond our friend "PF Tinmore's" ability to comprehend. But the boundaries of Israel are recognized and have been defended for decades. The boundaries are so well known that the Arab Palestinians demand that the Israelis withdraw to the "delineation and demarcation of agreed upon borders are central to reaching an end of conflict on the basis of the two-state solution. A State of Palestine based on pre June 4th 1967 [which is defined as the 1949 Armistice Line] border with East Jerusalem as its Capital." (PLO-NAD Borders)

This idea that the boundaries are somehow • not there • because you do not recognize them is simply childish. I guarantee you that the Arab Palestinians in the region (as well as the Jordanians) • can recognize immediately when they are near the delineated boundary on the ground.


SIGIL PAIR.png

Most Respectfully,
R
It seems Hamas knew where the Israeli border was located when they organized the "March of Take a 7.62x51 to the Torso'' riots in 2018 and 2019.

If P F Tinmore had sent an email to a Hamas rep., I'm sure that rep. could have offered some assistance.
Palestine's international borders are documented. Israel's borders are say so.
Yet, facts refute your nonsense claims.
Israeli say so is not fact.
The governments of Egypt and Jordan disagree with you.

As the primary Pom Pom flailer for reestablishment of the waqf, your
gee-had is lacking.
 

Hollie

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RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The injection of Fascism, as Political Ideology, into the discussion.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, Hollie, toastman, et al,

BLUF: Our friends have it on target.

These people expected Israel to just sit back and watch as Palestinians sent suicide bombers into Israeli cities. Never going to happen..
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Fascism is a social structure built upon nationalism and opposition to the central theme behind communism
(political) and socialism (economic). What makes fascism evil in the eyes of the westernized republics is the components of authoritarian and dictatorial power. Absent those two components and you have "utilitarianism." And while the North African and Middle East Regions have a lot of authoritarian or dictatorial governments, Israel is not among them. And I oppose "Tinmore's" suggestion that Mohammad Bakri reveals anything, it is the depth of fascism in the State of Israel - is disassociated from the ground truth. Like many movies, there is a certain amount of fantasy involved. Israel is neither authoritarian nor dictatorial in its leadership or government.

The Acute Stress Response
(AKA: Fight or Flight) demonstrated by Israel is a general human reaction (trigger to a hormone release) in a threat to a survival scenario. It is a likely outcome to any Arab Palestinian offense which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power in the disputed territories or similarly involving a threat made against the sovereignty or territorial integrity of Israel. When you reduce the Israeli Policy to its simplest form, you find it is essentially what we would call a "stand your ground" policy (no retreat); adopted and applied at the international level.

Normally we associate "nationalism" with an "evil intent." But that is a mischaracterization. And it is outside the topic.

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Most Respectfully,
R
You always take on Israel's talking point that it is the Palestinians who are the aggressors.
How did you expect Israel to react to Palestinians sending in suicide bombers into Israel? Sit back and do nothing? The is not a ‘he started it ! No, HE started it’ argument. This is Israel going in and doing what they had to do eliminate the threat.
"into Israel" is an interesting concept when there are no borders. How would you know where into is?
Israel has INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED borders with Egypt and Jordan. You cannot deny or refute that no matter how hard you try.
Well maybe. Which ones do the Palestinians cross to go into Israel?
The very same ones the Palestinians cross to go into Israel.
 

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RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, Hollie, toastman, et al,

BLUF: The boundaries in which Israel claims sovereignty are recognized; → by treaty, conflict complaint, ground markers, and maps
(Air, Land and Sea).

You always take on Israel's talking point that it is the Palestinians who are the aggressors.
How did you expect Israel to react to Palestinians sending in suicide bombers into Israel? Sit back and do nothing? The is not a ‘he started it ! No, HE started it’ argument. This is Israel going in and doing what they had to do eliminate the threat.
"into Israel" is an interesting concept when there are no borders. How would you know where into is?
The Israeli borders are identifiable. Your alternate realities are a hoot.
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It may be beyond our friend "PF Tinmore's" ability to comprehend. But the boundaries of Israel are recognized and have been defended for decades. The boundaries are so well known that the Arab Palestinians demand that the Israelis withdraw to the "delineation and demarcation of agreed upon borders are central to reaching an end of conflict on the basis of the two-state solution. A State of Palestine based on pre June 4th 1967 [which is defined as the 1949 Armistice Line] border with East Jerusalem as its Capital." (PLO-NAD Borders)

This idea that the boundaries are somehow • not there • because you do not recognize them is simply childish. I guarantee you that the Arab Palestinians in the region (as well as the Jordanians) • can recognize immediately when they are near the delineated boundary on the ground.


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Most Respectfully,
R
It seems Hamas knew where the Israeli border was located when they organized the "March of Take a 7.62x51 to the Torso'' riots in 2018 and 2019.

If P F Tinmore had sent an email to a Hamas rep., I'm sure that rep. could have offered some assistance.
Palestine's international borders are documented. Israel's borders are say so.
Yet, facts refute your nonsense claims.
Israeli say so is not fact.
Indeed, what we said 2000 years ago,
is only now becoming fact.

Facts are for mortals,
and Israel's speech is prophecy.
 

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