All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss

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RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, Hollie, toastman, et al,

BLUF: Too funny! I just gave you the links for the contemporary international understandings.


When did Israel define all of its borders?

Link?
(ANSWER)

◈ Basic Law: Jerusalem, Capital of Israel •​
Jordan-Israeli Peace Treaty (1994) •​


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RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, Hollie, toastman, et al,

BLUF: It is called the "Right to Self-Determination
!" You may have heard of it.

Israeli say so is not fact.
(COMMENT)

EXCERPT International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights said:
Article 1​
1. All peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.​


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RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, Hollie, toastman, et al,

BLUF: Too funny! I just gave you the links for the contemporary international understandings.


When did Israel define all of its borders?

Link?
(ANSWER)

◈ Basic Law: Jerusalem, Capital of Israel •​
Jordan-Israeli Peace Treaty (1994) •​


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R
I would suggest the above be saved as a Microsoft Word document so that everytime in the future (that could be as soon as five minutes from now), P F Tinmore questions the existence of Israeli borders... BOOM, there it is.

For some pretty obvious reasons, P F Tinmore has chosen to ignore the multiple presentations of the above documents and historical records with some rather silly denials / conspiracy theories.
 

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RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, Hollie, toastman, et al,

BLUF: It is called the "Right to Self-Determination
!" You may have heard of it.

Israeli say so is not fact.
(COMMENT)

EXCERPT International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights said:
Article 1​
1. All peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.​



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Where do foreign colonial settlers get the right to self determination?

Links?
 

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RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: You have to understand what a "foreign colonial" anything means. There are no "foreign colonial" activities anywhere in the Middle East.


C-24 mandate
In accordance with GA resolution 1654 (XVI), the C-24 was mandated to​
(i) examine the application of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples (GA resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960, hereafter referred to as the "Declaration") and​
(ii) to make suggestions and recommendations on the progress and extent of the implementation of the Declaration. The C-24 commenced its work in 1962.​
The C-24 annually reviews the list of Non-Self-Governing Territories to which the Declaration is applicable. It also hears statements from representatives of the Non-Self-Governing Territories at its annual sessions, dispatches visiting missions to Non-Self-Governing Territories and annually organizes regional seminars.​

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Where do foreign colonial settlers get the right to self determination?

Links?
(COMMENT)

You will notice that the C-24 Committee did not have any country on the agenda pertaining to the Middle East and North African (MENA) Region.

What you claim as colonial settlers are in reality settler establishing residences in an Area (C) where Israeli has FULL civil and security control.

While the Israeli Settlers do have the Right to Self-Determination (as part of everyone) they are actually establishing settlement under the agreed-to terms of the Oslo Accords between Israel and the PLO (“Sole Legitimate Representative of the Palestinian People”).
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R
 

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RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, Hollie, toastman, et al,

BLUF: It is called the "Right to Self-Determination
!" You may have heard of it.

Israeli say so is not fact.
(COMMENT)

EXCERPT International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights said:
Article 1​
1. All peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.​



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R
Where do foreign colonial settlers get the right to self determination?

Links?
A rather harsh description leveled at the Arabs-Moslems, but accurate.
 

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RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: You have to understand what a "foreign colonial" anything means. There are no "foreign colonial" activities anywhere in the Middle East.


C-24 mandate
In accordance with GA resolution 1654 (XVI), the C-24 was mandated to​
(i) examine the application of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples (GA resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960, hereafter referred to as the "Declaration") and​
(ii) to make suggestions and recommendations on the progress and extent of the implementation of the Declaration. The C-24 commenced its work in 1962.​
The C-24 annually reviews the list of Non-Self-Governing Territories to which the Declaration is applicable. It also hears statements from representatives of the Non-Self-Governing Territories at its annual sessions, dispatches visiting missions to Non-Self-Governing Territories and annually organizes regional seminars.​



Where do foreign colonial settlers get the right to self determination?

Links?
(COMMENT)

You will notice that the C-24 Committee did not have any country on the agenda pertaining to the Middle East and North African (MENA) Region.

What you claim as colonial settlers are in reality settler establishing residences in an Area (C) where Israeli has FULL civil and security control.

While the Israeli Settlers do have the Right to Self-Determination (as part of everyone) they are actually establishing settlement under the agreed-to terms of the Oslo Accords between Israel and the PLO (“Sole Legitimate Representative of the Palestinian People”).
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3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the Namibian people, the Palestinian people and all peoples under foreign and colonial domination to self detennination, national independence, territorial integrity, national unity and sovereignty without outside interference;

 

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RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: You have to understand what a "foreign colonial" anything means. There are no "foreign colonial" activities anywhere in the Middle East.


C-24 mandate
In accordance with GA resolution 1654 (XVI), the C-24 was mandated to​
(i) examine the application of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples (GA resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960, hereafter referred to as the "Declaration") and​
(ii) to make suggestions and recommendations on the progress and extent of the implementation of the Declaration. The C-24 commenced its work in 1962.​
The C-24 annually reviews the list of Non-Self-Governing Territories to which the Declaration is applicable. It also hears statements from representatives of the Non-Self-Governing Territories at its annual sessions, dispatches visiting missions to Non-Self-Governing Territories and annually organizes regional seminars.​



Where do foreign colonial settlers get the right to self determination?

Links?
(COMMENT)

You will notice that the C-24 Committee did not have any country on the agenda pertaining to the Middle East and North African (MENA) Region.

What you claim as colonial settlers are in reality settler establishing residences in an Area (C) where Israeli has FULL civil and security control.

While the Israeli Settlers do have the Right to Self-Determination (as part of everyone) they are actually establishing settlement under the agreed-to terms of the Oslo Accords between Israel and the PLO (“Sole Legitimate Representative of the Palestinian People”).
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R
3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the Namibian people, the Palestinian people and all peoples under foreign and colonial domination to self detennination, national independence, territorial integrity, national unity and sovereignty without outside interference;

The Pally's have demonstrated an inability / unwillingness to pursue self-determination.
 

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RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, Hollie, toastman, et al,

BLUF: The boundaries in which Israel claims sovereignty are recognized; → by treaty, conflict complaint, ground markers, and maps
(Air, Land and Sea).

You always take on Israel's talking point that it is the Palestinians who are the aggressors.
How did you expect Israel to react to Palestinians sending in suicide bombers into Israel? Sit back and do nothing? The is not a ‘he started it ! No, HE started it’ argument. This is Israel going in and doing what they had to do eliminate the threat.
"into Israel" is an interesting concept when there are no borders. How would you know where into is?
The Israeli borders are identifiable. Your alternate realities are a hoot.
(COMMENT)

It may be beyond our friend "PF Tinmore's" ability to comprehend. But the boundaries of Israel are recognized and have been defended for decades. The boundaries are so well known that the Arab Palestinians demand that the Israelis withdraw to the "delineation and demarcation of agreed upon borders are central to reaching an end of conflict on the basis of the two-state solution. A State of Palestine based on pre June 4th 1967 [which is defined as the 1949 Armistice Line] border with East Jerusalem as its Capital." (PLO-NAD Borders)

This idea that the boundaries are somehow • not there • because you do not recognize them is simply childish. I guarantee you that the Arab Palestinians in the region (as well as the Jordanians) • can recognize immediately when they are near the delineated boundary on the ground.


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It seems Hamas knew where the Israeli border was located when they organized the "March of Take a 7.62x51 to the Torso'' riots in 2018 and 2019.

If P F Tinmore had sent an email to a Hamas rep., I'm sure that rep. could have offered some assistance.
Palestine's international borders are documented. Israel's borders are say so.
Yet, facts refute your nonsense claims.
Israeli say so is not fact.
Are you saying that Israel’s internationally recognized borders with Egypt and Jordan are purely Israeli say so and not documented factual information ?
If so, can you provide a link for that ....
 

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RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: You have to understand what a "foreign colonial" anything means. There are no "foreign colonial" activities anywhere in the Middle East.


C-24 mandate
In accordance with GA resolution 1654 (XVI), the C-24 was mandated to​
(i) examine the application of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples (GA resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960, hereafter referred to as the "Declaration") and​
(ii) to make suggestions and recommendations on the progress and extent of the implementation of the Declaration. The C-24 commenced its work in 1962.​
The C-24 annually reviews the list of Non-Self-Governing Territories to which the Declaration is applicable. It also hears statements from representatives of the Non-Self-Governing Territories at its annual sessions, dispatches visiting missions to Non-Self-Governing Territories and annually organizes regional seminars.​



Where do foreign colonial settlers get the right to self determination?

Links?
(COMMENT)

You will notice that the C-24 Committee did not have any country on the agenda pertaining to the Middle East and North African (MENA) Region.

What you claim as colonial settlers are in reality settler establishing residences in an Area (C) where Israeli has FULL civil and security control.

While the Israeli Settlers do have the Right to Self-Determination (as part of everyone) they are actually establishing settlement under the agreed-to terms of the Oslo Accords between Israel and the PLO (“Sole Legitimate Representative of the Palestinian People”).
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R
3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the Namibian people, the Palestinian people and all peoples under foreign and colonial domination to self detennination, national independence, territorial integrity, national unity and sovereignty without outside interference;

So ? If you’re going to post a link, at least post one that backs up your idiotic Palestinian claims.
Posting a bunch of lies and posting some random link doesn’t mean you refuted anything .

Thought I might just give you some advice since you clearly need it .
You’re welcome
 

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RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: What is your point
?

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the Namibian people, the Palestinian people and all peoples under foreign and colonial domination to self detennination, national independence, territorial integrity, national unity and sovereignty without outside interference;

(COMMENT)

This does not diminish any "Civil or Political Right" of the Israeli People.

(QUESTION)

Just what national independence, territorial integrity, national unity, and sovereignty is being interrupted or denied to the Arab Palestinian People by an outside interference?

(IMPORTANCE)

IF
you are talking about Palestine, as you commonly refer to it (which extends from the River Jordan in the east to the Mediterranean in the west and from Ras Al-Naqurah in the north to Umm Al-Rashrash in the south), THEN Israel does not represent an outside influence and the Israelis represent the majority population in Palestine.

IF you say that the territory in dispute is something less than the "Palestine" you commonly refer to, THEN you are conceding the fact that Israel has borders and is a separate foreign entity that exerts some influence.

(∑)

So, help an old man understand what it is that is being said or implied...

The non-binding resolution A/RES/37/43 3 December 1982 comes some 15 years AFTER the 1967 Six-Day War (laws are not retroactively applied). And is overtaken by the events of 1988 when the binding decision by the Jordanians to cut all ties to the territory held west of the Jordan River. It is overtaken by the Oslo Accords (the mid-1990s).

Furthermore, the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR), which is a "BINDING PART" of the core to Human Rights Law (HRL) (which your citation behind A/RES/37/43 3 December 1982 is NOT) does not make a distinction or grant some special rights to the Arab Palestinians and not to the Israelis. All peoples (including the Israelis) have the right of self-determination. And by virtue of that right the Israelis can determine their political status and pursue their economic, social and cultural development (without interference from the BDS external influence).

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RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: What is your point
?

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the Namibian people, the Palestinian people and all peoples under foreign and colonial domination to self detennination, national independence, territorial integrity, national unity and sovereignty without outside interference;

(COMMENT)

This does not diminish any "Civil or Political Right" of the Israeli People.

(QUESTION)

Just what national independence, territorial integrity, national unity, and sovereignty is being interrupted or denied to the Arab Palestinian People by an outside interference?

(IMPORTANCE)

IF
you are talking about Palestine, as you commonly refer to it (which extends from the River Jordan in the east to the Mediterranean in the west and from Ras Al-Naqurah in the north to Umm Al-Rashrash in the south), THEN Israel does not represent an outside influence and the Israelis represent the majority population in Palestine.

IF you say that the territory in dispute is something less than the "Palestine" you commonly refer to, THEN you are conceding the fact that Israel has borders and is a separate foreign entity that exerts some influence.

(∑)

So, help an old man understand what it is that is being said or implied...

The non-binding resolution A/RES/37/43 3 December 1982 comes some 15 years AFTER the 1967 Six-Day War (laws are not retroactively applied). And is overtaken by the events of 1988 when the binding decision by the Jordanians to cut all ties to the territory held west of the Jordan River. It is overtaken by the Oslo Accords (the mid-1990s).

Furthermore, the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR), which is a "BINDING PART" of the core to Human Rights Law (HRL) (which your citation behind A/RES/37/43 3 December 1982 is NOT) does not make a distinction or grant some special rights to the Arab Palestinians and not to the Israelis. All peoples (including the Israelis) have the right of self-determination. And by virtue of that right the Israelis can determine their political status and pursue their economic, social and cultural development (without interference from the BDS external influence).

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R
IF you say that the territory in dispute is something less than the "Palestine" you commonly refer to, THEN you are conceding the fact that Israel has borders and is a separate foreign entity that exerts some influence.
Israel is an undefined blob inside Palestine that imposes its "sovereignty" at the point of a gun.
 

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RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: What is your point
?

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the Namibian people, the Palestinian people and all peoples under foreign and colonial domination to self detennination, national independence, territorial integrity, national unity and sovereignty without outside interference;

(COMMENT)

This does not diminish any "Civil or Political Right" of the Israeli People.

(QUESTION)

Just what national independence, territorial integrity, national unity, and sovereignty is being interrupted or denied to the Arab Palestinian People by an outside interference?

(IMPORTANCE)

IF
you are talking about Palestine, as you commonly refer to it (which extends from the River Jordan in the east to the Mediterranean in the west and from Ras Al-Naqurah in the north to Umm Al-Rashrash in the south), THEN Israel does not represent an outside influence and the Israelis represent the majority population in Palestine.

IF you say that the territory in dispute is something less than the "Palestine" you commonly refer to, THEN you are conceding the fact that Israel has borders and is a separate foreign entity that exerts some influence.

(∑)

So, help an old man understand what it is that is being said or implied...

The non-binding resolution A/RES/37/43 3 December 1982 comes some 15 years AFTER the 1967 Six-Day War (laws are not retroactively applied). And is overtaken by the events of 1988 when the binding decision by the Jordanians to cut all ties to the territory held west of the Jordan River. It is overtaken by the Oslo Accords (the mid-1990s).

Furthermore, the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR), which is a "BINDING PART" of the core to Human Rights Law (HRL) (which your citation behind A/RES/37/43 3 December 1982 is NOT) does not make a distinction or grant some special rights to the Arab Palestinians and not to the Israelis. All peoples (including the Israelis) have the right of self-determination. And by virtue of that right the Israelis can determine their political status and pursue their economic, social and cultural development (without interference from the BDS external influence).

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R
IF you say that the territory in dispute is something less than the "Palestine" you commonly refer to, THEN you are conceding the fact that Israel has borders and is a separate foreign entity that exerts some influence.
Israel is an undefined blob inside Palestine that imposes its "sovereignty" at the point of a gun.
Link?
 

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SUBTOPIC: The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: Oh, for heaven's sake... What you just described is a "Civil War."


A "civil war" is a conflict between factions of the same political subdivision.​

Israel is an undefined blob inside Palestine that imposes its "sovereignty" at the point of a gun.
(COMMENT • LISTEN CLOSE)

IF
both the Israelis and the Arab Palestinians are inside the same political subdivision (you call Palestine), THEN the conflict is commonly known as a "Civil War" → more technically known as a "Non-International Armed Conflict."

So, what is it you are describing? Are both parties inside one political subdivision? - or - Are both parties in a different political subdivision?


You need to get this right!

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Oh, for heaven's sake... What you just described is a "Civil War."


A "civil war" is a conflict between factions of the same political subdivision.
Dictionary
civ·il war
/ˌsivil ˈwô(ə)r/

noun: civil war; plural noun: civil wars
  1. a war between citizens of the same country.
The supposed war was an attack on the Palestinians by foreign colonial settlers. That is hardly a civil war.
 

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RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: What is your point
?

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the Namibian people, the Palestinian people and all peoples under foreign and colonial domination to self detennination, national independence, territorial integrity, national unity and sovereignty without outside interference;

(COMMENT)

This does not diminish any "Civil or Political Right" of the Israeli People.

(QUESTION)

Just what national independence, territorial integrity, national unity, and sovereignty is being interrupted or denied to the Arab Palestinian People by an outside interference?

(IMPORTANCE)

IF
you are talking about Palestine, as you commonly refer to it (which extends from the River Jordan in the east to the Mediterranean in the west and from Ras Al-Naqurah in the north to Umm Al-Rashrash in the south), THEN Israel does not represent an outside influence and the Israelis represent the majority population in Palestine.

IF you say that the territory in dispute is something less than the "Palestine" you commonly refer to, THEN you are conceding the fact that Israel has borders and is a separate foreign entity that exerts some influence.

(∑)

So, help an old man understand what it is that is being said or implied...

The non-binding resolution A/RES/37/43 3 December 1982 comes some 15 years AFTER the 1967 Six-Day War (laws are not retroactively applied). And is overtaken by the events of 1988 when the binding decision by the Jordanians to cut all ties to the territory held west of the Jordan River. It is overtaken by the Oslo Accords (the mid-1990s).

Furthermore, the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR), which is a "BINDING PART" of the core to Human Rights Law (HRL) (which your citation behind A/RES/37/43 3 December 1982 is NOT) does not make a distinction or grant some special rights to the Arab Palestinians and not to the Israelis. All peoples (including the Israelis) have the right of self-determination. And by virtue of that right the Israelis can determine their political status and pursue their economic, social and cultural development (without interference from the BDS external influence).

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R
IF you say that the territory in dispute is something less than the "Palestine" you commonly refer to, THEN you are conceding the fact that Israel has borders and is a separate foreign entity that exerts some influence.
Israel is an undefined blob inside Palestine that imposes its "sovereignty" at the point of a gun.
Link?
Look at any map of Israel. It is defined by the 1949 armistice lines.

1) The armistice lines were specifically not to be political or territorial boundaries.

2) Israel does not recognize them as its borders.

So, where exactly, is Israel?
 

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RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: What is your point
?

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the Namibian people, the Palestinian people and all peoples under foreign and colonial domination to self detennination, national independence, territorial integrity, national unity and sovereignty without outside interference;

(COMMENT)

This does not diminish any "Civil or Political Right" of the Israeli People.

(QUESTION)

Just what national independence, territorial integrity, national unity, and sovereignty is being interrupted or denied to the Arab Palestinian People by an outside interference?

(IMPORTANCE)

IF
you are talking about Palestine, as you commonly refer to it (which extends from the River Jordan in the east to the Mediterranean in the west and from Ras Al-Naqurah in the north to Umm Al-Rashrash in the south), THEN Israel does not represent an outside influence and the Israelis represent the majority population in Palestine.

IF you say that the territory in dispute is something less than the "Palestine" you commonly refer to, THEN you are conceding the fact that Israel has borders and is a separate foreign entity that exerts some influence.

(∑)

So, help an old man understand what it is that is being said or implied...

The non-binding resolution A/RES/37/43 3 December 1982 comes some 15 years AFTER the 1967 Six-Day War (laws are not retroactively applied). And is overtaken by the events of 1988 when the binding decision by the Jordanians to cut all ties to the territory held west of the Jordan River. It is overtaken by the Oslo Accords (the mid-1990s).

Furthermore, the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR), which is a "BINDING PART" of the core to Human Rights Law (HRL) (which your citation behind A/RES/37/43 3 December 1982 is NOT) does not make a distinction or grant some special rights to the Arab Palestinians and not to the Israelis. All peoples (including the Israelis) have the right of self-determination. And by virtue of that right the Israelis can determine their political status and pursue their economic, social and cultural development (without interference from the BDS external influence).

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R
IF you say that the territory in dispute is something less than the "Palestine" you commonly refer to, THEN you are conceding the fact that Israel has borders and is a separate foreign entity that exerts some influence.
Israel is an undefined blob inside Palestine that imposes its "sovereignty" at the point of a gun.
Link?
Look at any map of Israel. It is defined by the 1949 armistice lines.

1) The armistice lines were specifically not to be political or territorial boundaries.

2) Israel does not recognize them as its borders.

So, where exactly, is Israel?
1. How many more times does that profoundly nonsensical tirade need to be addressed?

2. let’s refer you to multiple times you have been given agreements entered into between Israel and Arab nations establishing boundaries.

I never did see that list of “new states” you claim were created by the Treaty of Lausanne. Maybe the Israeli borders are defined there.

Take a look and get back to me. Otherwise, if you ask your friends in Hamas and the PA, they can tell you where Israel is located.
 

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RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: What is your point
?

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the Namibian people, the Palestinian people and all peoples under foreign and colonial domination to self detennination, national independence, territorial integrity, national unity and sovereignty without outside interference;

(COMMENT)

This does not diminish any "Civil or Political Right" of the Israeli People.

(QUESTION)

Just what national independence, territorial integrity, national unity, and sovereignty is being interrupted or denied to the Arab Palestinian People by an outside interference?

(IMPORTANCE)

IF
you are talking about Palestine, as you commonly refer to it (which extends from the River Jordan in the east to the Mediterranean in the west and from Ras Al-Naqurah in the north to Umm Al-Rashrash in the south), THEN Israel does not represent an outside influence and the Israelis represent the majority population in Palestine.

IF you say that the territory in dispute is something less than the "Palestine" you commonly refer to, THEN you are conceding the fact that Israel has borders and is a separate foreign entity that exerts some influence.

(∑)

So, help an old man understand what it is that is being said or implied...

The non-binding resolution A/RES/37/43 3 December 1982 comes some 15 years AFTER the 1967 Six-Day War (laws are not retroactively applied). And is overtaken by the events of 1988 when the binding decision by the Jordanians to cut all ties to the territory held west of the Jordan River. It is overtaken by the Oslo Accords (the mid-1990s).

Furthermore, the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR), which is a "BINDING PART" of the core to Human Rights Law (HRL) (which your citation behind A/RES/37/43 3 December 1982 is NOT) does not make a distinction or grant some special rights to the Arab Palestinians and not to the Israelis. All peoples (including the Israelis) have the right of self-determination. And by virtue of that right the Israelis can determine their political status and pursue their economic, social and cultural development (without interference from the BDS external influence).

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Most Respectfully,
R
IF you say that the territory in dispute is something less than the "Palestine" you commonly refer to, THEN you are conceding the fact that Israel has borders and is a separate foreign entity that exerts some influence.
Israel is an undefined blob inside Palestine that imposes its "sovereignty" at the point of a gun.
Link?
Look at any map of Israel. It is defined by the 1949 armistice lines.

1) The armistice lines were specifically not to be political or territorial boundaries.

2) Israel does not recognize them as its borders.

So, where exactly, is Israel?
1. How many more times does that profoundly nonsensical tirade need to be addressed?

2. let’s refer you to multiple times you have been given agreements entered into between Israel and Arab nations establishing boundaries.

I never did see that list of “new states” you claim were created by the Treaty of Lausanne. Maybe the Israeli borders are defined there.

Take a look and get back to me. Otherwise, if you ask your friends in Hamas and the PA, they can tell you where Israel is located.
Arab nations establishing boundaries.
Arab nations have no authority over Palestine's boundaries.
 

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RE: All The News Anti-Palestinian Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
SUBTOPIC: The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states.
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: What is your point
?

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the Namibian people, the Palestinian people and all peoples under foreign and colonial domination to self detennination, national independence, territorial integrity, national unity and sovereignty without outside interference;

(COMMENT)

This does not diminish any "Civil or Political Right" of the Israeli People.

(QUESTION)

Just what national independence, territorial integrity, national unity, and sovereignty is being interrupted or denied to the Arab Palestinian People by an outside interference?

(IMPORTANCE)

IF
you are talking about Palestine, as you commonly refer to it (which extends from the River Jordan in the east to the Mediterranean in the west and from Ras Al-Naqurah in the north to Umm Al-Rashrash in the south), THEN Israel does not represent an outside influence and the Israelis represent the majority population in Palestine.

IF you say that the territory in dispute is something less than the "Palestine" you commonly refer to, THEN you are conceding the fact that Israel has borders and is a separate foreign entity that exerts some influence.

(∑)

So, help an old man understand what it is that is being said or implied...

The non-binding resolution A/RES/37/43 3 December 1982 comes some 15 years AFTER the 1967 Six-Day War (laws are not retroactively applied). And is overtaken by the events of 1988 when the binding decision by the Jordanians to cut all ties to the territory held west of the Jordan River. It is overtaken by the Oslo Accords (the mid-1990s).

Furthermore, the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR), which is a "BINDING PART" of the core to Human Rights Law (HRL) (which your citation behind A/RES/37/43 3 December 1982 is NOT) does not make a distinction or grant some special rights to the Arab Palestinians and not to the Israelis. All peoples (including the Israelis) have the right of self-determination. And by virtue of that right the Israelis can determine their political status and pursue their economic, social and cultural development (without interference from the BDS external influence).

SIGIL PAIR.png

Most Respectfully,
R
IF you say that the territory in dispute is something less than the "Palestine" you commonly refer to, THEN you are conceding the fact that Israel has borders and is a separate foreign entity that exerts some influence.
Israel is an undefined blob inside Palestine that imposes its "sovereignty" at the point of a gun.
Palestine is not a country. Israel , on the other hand, is a sovereign state with internationally recognized borders with both Egypt and Jordan and land that is clearly defined by a map.

Your inability to recognize Israel does not simply erase it from the face of the earth. The fact that you imply so is beyond childish.
It’s quite simple Tinmore. Israel either exists or it doesn’t. Israel is either a sovereign state with defined territory and internationally recognized borders or it isn’t. There is nothing in between.
We have already proven without any doubt whatsoever (not that we needed to considering it was obvious already) that Israel IS a sovereign state with defined territory and internationally recognized borders. Palestine is not a sovereign state nor does it have any borders (except the ones the Palestinians made up).
 

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