Settlements only "illegal" for Jews

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Settlements only "illegal" for Jews
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Every State likewise has the duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate international lines of demarcation, such as armistice lines, established by or pursuant to an international agreement to which it is a party or which it is otherwise bound to respect. Nothing in the foregoing shall be construed as prejudicing the positions of the parties concerned with regard to the status and effects of such lines under their special regimes or as affecting their temporary character.

The "Green Line" = "Armistice Line" = "Demarcation Line" (From the specific - to the category - to the generalization.)

All Armistice Lines are a form of Demarcation. Not all Demarcations are Armistice Lines.

The "Green Line" is an agreed-upon demarcation between Israel and Jordan/Egypt.

Not true.

The "Green Line" was a line that military forces could not cross.

It was specifically not to be a political or territorial boundary.

(COMMENT)

The West Bank refers to the territory situated west of the Jordan River that was not included as part of Israel following the establishment of the state after the Arab–Israel War of 1948. The West Bank's total area is 2,270 square miles (5,880 sq. km), smaller than the area that was originally allocated to a future Arab state by the United Nations partition resolution of November 1947. It is demarcated by the Green Line (the armistice line set by the 1949 Jordanian-Israeli talks at Rhodes) in the west and the Jordan River in the east.

View attachment 302037
A demarcation is a line, boundary, or other conceptual separation between things.
Geographically, a demarcation might be the border that separates
two countries or the river that divides two regions.
​

Most Respectfully,
R

1. The Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the international boundary between the Lebanon and Palestine.

The Avalon Project : Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, March 23, 1949

Where the existing truce lines run along the international boundary between Syria and Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the boundary line

The Avalon Project : Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement, July 20, 1949

(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall be determined by existing military positions as surveyed in March 1949 by United Nations observers, and shall run from north to south as delineated on map 1 in annex I to this Agreement.

The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

2. This withdrawal shall begin on the day after that which follows the signing of this Agreement, at 0500 hours GMT, and shall be beyond the Egypt-Palestine frontier.

The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949

2. The Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary,

Note that there are no borders for Israel mentioned anywhere in these agreements

Palestine is mentioned many times but a place called Israel is not mentioned at all.

Also note that these agreements took place after the end of the Mandate, after resolution 181, and after the end of the 1948 war.

 

[rylah]

RE: Settlements only "illegal" for Jews
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Every State likewise has the duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate international lines of demarcation, such as armistice lines, established by or pursuant to an international agreement to which it is a party or which it is otherwise bound to respect. Nothing in the foregoing shall be construed as prejudicing the positions of the parties concerned with regard to the status and effects of such lines under their special regimes or as affecting their temporary character.

The "Green Line" = "Armistice Line" = "Demarcation Line" (From the specific - to the category - to the generalization.)

All Armistice Lines are a form of Demarcation. Not all Demarcations are Armistice Lines.

The "Green Line" is an agreed-upon demarcation between Israel and Jordan/Egypt.

Not true.

The "Green Line" was a line that military forces could not cross.

It was specifically not to be a political or territorial boundary.

(COMMENT)

The West Bank refers to the territory situated west of the Jordan River that was not included as part of Israel following the establishment of the state after the Arab–Israel War of 1948. The West Bank's total area is 2,270 square miles (5,880 sq. km), smaller than the area that was originally allocated to a future Arab state by the United Nations partition resolution of November 1947. It is demarcated by the Green Line (the armistice line set by the 1949 Jordanian-Israeli talks at Rhodes) in the west and the Jordan River in the east.

View attachment 302037
A demarcation is a line, boundary, or other conceptual separation between things.
Geographically, a demarcation might be the border that separates
two countries or the river that divides two regions.
​

Most Respectfully,
R

1. The Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the international boundary between the Lebanon and Palestine.

The Avalon Project : Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, March 23, 1949

Where the existing truce lines run along the international boundary between Syria and Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the boundary line

The Avalon Project : Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement, July 20, 1949

(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall be determined by existing military positions as surveyed in March 1949 by United Nations observers, and shall run from north to south as delineated on map 1 in annex I to this Agreement.

The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

2. This withdrawal shall begin on the day after that which follows the signing of this Agreement, at 0500 hours GMT, and shall be beyond the Egypt-Palestine frontier.

The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949

2. The Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary,

Note that there are no borders for Israel mentioned anywhere in these agreements

Palestine is mentioned many times but a place called Israel is not mentioned at all.

Also note that these agreements took place after the end of the Mandate, after resolution 181, and after the end of the 1948 war.

So tell us again,
with whom the Arab nations signed agreements referring to Palestine borders?


Now you start dancing...

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Settlements only "illegal" for Jews
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Every State likewise has the duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate international lines of demarcation, such as armistice lines, established by or pursuant to an international agreement to which it is a party or which it is otherwise bound to respect. Nothing in the foregoing shall be construed as prejudicing the positions of the parties concerned with regard to the status and effects of such lines under their special regimes or as affecting their temporary character.

The "Green Line" = "Armistice Line" = "Demarcation Line" (From the specific - to the category - to the generalization.)

All Armistice Lines are a form of Demarcation. Not all Demarcations are Armistice Lines.

The "Green Line" is an agreed-upon demarcation between Israel and Jordan/Egypt.

Not true.

The "Green Line" was a line that military forces could not cross.

It was specifically not to be a political or territorial boundary.

(COMMENT)

The West Bank refers to the territory situated west of the Jordan River that was not included as part of Israel following the establishment of the state after the Arab–Israel War of 1948. The West Bank's total area is 2,270 square miles (5,880 sq. km), smaller than the area that was originally allocated to a future Arab state by the United Nations partition resolution of November 1947. It is demarcated by the Green Line (the armistice line set by the 1949 Jordanian-Israeli talks at Rhodes) in the west and the Jordan River in the east.

View attachment 302037
A demarcation is a line, boundary, or other conceptual separation between things.
Geographically, a demarcation might be the border that separates
two countries or the river that divides two regions.
​

Most Respectfully,
R

1. The Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the international boundary between the Lebanon and Palestine.

The Avalon Project : Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, March 23, 1949

Where the existing truce lines run along the international boundary between Syria and Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the boundary line

The Avalon Project : Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement, July 20, 1949

(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall be determined by existing military positions as surveyed in March 1949 by United Nations observers, and shall run from north to south as delineated on map 1 in annex I to this Agreement.

The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

2. This withdrawal shall begin on the day after that which follows the signing of this Agreement, at 0500 hours GMT, and shall be beyond the Egypt-Palestine frontier.

The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949

2. The Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary,

Note that there are no borders for Israel mentioned anywhere in these agreements

Palestine is mentioned many times but a place called Israel is not mentioned at all.

Also note that these agreements took place after the end of the Mandate, after resolution 181, and after the end of the 1948 war.

So tell us again,
with whom the Arab nations signed agreements referring to Palestine borders?


Now you start dancing...

The borders of all of the new states were defined by post war treaties.

 

[Indeependent]

RE: Settlements only "illegal" for Jews
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Every State likewise has the duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate international lines of demarcation, such as armistice lines, established by or pursuant to an international agreement to which it is a party or which it is otherwise bound to respect. Nothing in the foregoing shall be construed as prejudicing the positions of the parties concerned with regard to the status and effects of such lines under their special regimes or as affecting their temporary character.

The "Green Line" = "Armistice Line" = "Demarcation Line" (From the specific - to the category - to the generalization.)

All Armistice Lines are a form of Demarcation. Not all Demarcations are Armistice Lines.

The "Green Line" is an agreed-upon demarcation between Israel and Jordan/Egypt.

Not true.

The "Green Line" was a line that military forces could not cross.

It was specifically not to be a political or territorial boundary.

(COMMENT)

The West Bank refers to the territory situated west of the Jordan River that was not included as part of Israel following the establishment of the state after the Arab–Israel War of 1948. The West Bank's total area is 2,270 square miles (5,880 sq. km), smaller than the area that was originally allocated to a future Arab state by the United Nations partition resolution of November 1947. It is demarcated by the Green Line (the armistice line set by the 1949 Jordanian-Israeli talks at Rhodes) in the west and the Jordan River in the east.

View attachment 302037
A demarcation is a line, boundary, or other conceptual separation between things.
Geographically, a demarcation might be the border that separates
two countries or the river that divides two regions.
​

Most Respectfully,
R

1. The Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the international boundary between the Lebanon and Palestine.

The Avalon Project : Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, March 23, 1949

Where the existing truce lines run along the international boundary between Syria and Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the boundary line

The Avalon Project : Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement, July 20, 1949

(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall be determined by existing military positions as surveyed in March 1949 by United Nations observers, and shall run from north to south as delineated on map 1 in annex I to this Agreement.

The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

2. This withdrawal shall begin on the day after that which follows the signing of this Agreement, at 0500 hours GMT, and shall be beyond the Egypt-Palestine frontier.

The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949

2. The Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary,

Note that there are no borders for Israel mentioned anywhere in these agreements

Palestine is mentioned many times but a place called Israel is not mentioned at all.

Also note that these agreements took place after the end of the Mandate, after resolution 181, and after the end of the 1948 war.

So tell us again,
with whom the Arab nations signed agreements referring to Palestine borders?


Now you start dancing...

The borders of all of the new states were defined by post war treaties.

Who publishes the borders?
Link us to the real map.

 

[Shusha]

Note that there are no borders for Israel mentioned anywhere in these agreements

Don't be ridiculous. There are no borders mentioned for Jordan either. Or Canada for that matter. Nor was there mention of the current population of tigers in India. Or how to make split pea soup. Why? Because that is not what the agreements were about.

You even said so yourself:

The borders of all of the new states were defined by post war treaties.

And remember, the agreements were specifically NOT to establish political boundaries or borders:

Article II (Israeli-Jordan Armistice Agreement)
It is also recognised that no provision of this Agreement shall in any way prejudice the rights, claims and positions of either Party hereto in the ultimate peaceful settlement of the Palestine question, the provisions of this Agreement being dictated exclusively by military considerations.

Palestine is mentioned many times but a place called Israel is not mentioned at all.

Yes. And this is important. The PLACE named Palestine was mentioned. But it is mentioned in the context of agreements between Governments -- the Government of the State of Israel and the Governments of the States of Jordan, Egypt, Syria, etc.

Palestine was nothing more than a place name at the time. There was no Government of Palestine, no State of Palestine, no party to the Agreements which represented "Palestine" as an independent entity. Palestine was nothing more than a place name.

 

[Shusha]

So. Going back to the point of the thread. Since there is NO boundary which divides the territory -- how is it possible to say WHERE Israelis are permitted to live and where Palestinians are permitted to live, thus determining which residents are "illegal" and which are not?

Further, why are "settlements" in places where there ARE boundaries -- like Azerbaijan, Western Sahara, Cyprus, Crimea -- not treated with the same level of world-wide condemnation?

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Settlements only "illegal" for Jews
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Every State likewise has the duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate international lines of demarcation, such as armistice lines, established by or pursuant to an international agreement to which it is a party or which it is otherwise bound to respect. Nothing in the foregoing shall be construed as prejudicing the positions of the parties concerned with regard to the status and effects of such lines under their special regimes or as affecting their temporary character.

The "Green Line" = "Armistice Line" = "Demarcation Line" (From the specific - to the category - to the generalization.)

All Armistice Lines are a form of Demarcation. Not all Demarcations are Armistice Lines.

Not true.

The "Green Line" was a line that military forces could not cross.

It was specifically not to be a political or territorial boundary.

(COMMENT)

The West Bank refers to the territory situated west of the Jordan River that was not included as part of Israel following the establishment of the state after the Arab–Israel War of 1948. The West Bank's total area is 2,270 square miles (5,880 sq. km), smaller than the area that was originally allocated to a future Arab state by the United Nations partition resolution of November 1947. It is demarcated by the Green Line (the armistice line set by the 1949 Jordanian-Israeli talks at Rhodes) in the west and the Jordan River in the east.

View attachment 302037
A demarcation is a line, boundary, or other conceptual separation between things.
Geographically, a demarcation might be the border that separates
two countries or the river that divides two regions.
​

Most Respectfully,
R

1. The Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the international boundary between the Lebanon and Palestine.

The Avalon Project : Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, March 23, 1949

Where the existing truce lines run along the international boundary between Syria and Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the boundary line

The Avalon Project : Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement, July 20, 1949

(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall be determined by existing military positions as surveyed in March 1949 by United Nations observers, and shall run from north to south as delineated on map 1 in annex I to this Agreement.

The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

2. This withdrawal shall begin on the day after that which follows the signing of this Agreement, at 0500 hours GMT, and shall be beyond the Egypt-Palestine frontier.

The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949

2. The Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary,

Note that there are no borders for Israel mentioned anywhere in these agreements

Palestine is mentioned many times but a place called Israel is not mentioned at all.

Also note that these agreements took place after the end of the Mandate, after resolution 181, and after the end of the 1948 war.

So tell us again,
with whom the Arab nations signed agreements referring to Palestine borders?


Now you start dancing...

The borders of all of the new states were defined by post war treaties.

Who publishes the borders?
Link us to the real map.

There were several treaties involved in the definition of borders. They culminated in the final borders of the several new states.

 

[Indeependent]

RE: Settlements only "illegal" for Jews
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

​

The "Green Line" = "Armistice Line" = "Demarcation Line" (From the specific - to the category - to the generalization.)

All Armistice Lines are a form of Demarcation. Not all Demarcations are Armistice Lines.

(COMMENT)

​

View attachment 302037
A demarcation is a line, boundary, or other conceptual separation between things.
Geographically, a demarcation might be the border that separates
two countries or the river that divides two regions.
​

Most Respectfully,
R

1. The Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the international boundary between the Lebanon and Palestine.

The Avalon Project : Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, March 23, 1949

Where the existing truce lines run along the international boundary between Syria and Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the boundary line

The Avalon Project : Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement, July 20, 1949

(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall be determined by existing military positions as surveyed in March 1949 by United Nations observers, and shall run from north to south as delineated on map 1 in annex I to this Agreement.

The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

2. This withdrawal shall begin on the day after that which follows the signing of this Agreement, at 0500 hours GMT, and shall be beyond the Egypt-Palestine frontier.

The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949

2. The Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary,

Note that there are no borders for Israel mentioned anywhere in these agreements

Palestine is mentioned many times but a place called Israel is not mentioned at all.

Also note that these agreements took place after the end of the Mandate, after resolution 181, and after the end of the 1948 war.

So tell us again,
with whom the Arab nations signed agreements referring to Palestine borders?


Now you start dancing...

The borders of all of the new states were defined by post war treaties.

Who publishes the borders?
Link us to the real map.

There were several treaties involved in the definition of borders. They culminated in the final borders of the several new states.

Provide the Link.

 

[rylah]

RE: Settlements only "illegal" for Jews
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Every State likewise has the duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate international lines of demarcation, such as armistice lines, established by or pursuant to an international agreement to which it is a party or which it is otherwise bound to respect. Nothing in the foregoing shall be construed as prejudicing the positions of the parties concerned with regard to the status and effects of such lines under their special regimes or as affecting their temporary character.

The "Green Line" = "Armistice Line" = "Demarcation Line" (From the specific - to the category - to the generalization.)

All Armistice Lines are a form of Demarcation. Not all Demarcations are Armistice Lines.

The "Green Line" is an agreed-upon demarcation between Israel and Jordan/Egypt.

Not true.

The "Green Line" was a line that military forces could not cross.

It was specifically not to be a political or territorial boundary.

(COMMENT)

The West Bank refers to the territory situated west of the Jordan River that was not included as part of Israel following the establishment of the state after the Arab–Israel War of 1948. The West Bank's total area is 2,270 square miles (5,880 sq. km), smaller than the area that was originally allocated to a future Arab state by the United Nations partition resolution of November 1947. It is demarcated by the Green Line (the armistice line set by the 1949 Jordanian-Israeli talks at Rhodes) in the west and the Jordan River in the east.

View attachment 302037
A demarcation is a line, boundary, or other conceptual separation between things.
Geographically, a demarcation might be the border that separates
two countries or the river that divides two regions.
​

Most Respectfully,
R

1. The Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the international boundary between the Lebanon and Palestine.

The Avalon Project : Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, March 23, 1949

Where the existing truce lines run along the international boundary between Syria and Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the boundary line

The Avalon Project : Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement, July 20, 1949

(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall be determined by existing military positions as surveyed in March 1949 by United Nations observers, and shall run from north to south as delineated on map 1 in annex I to this Agreement.

The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

2. This withdrawal shall begin on the day after that which follows the signing of this Agreement, at 0500 hours GMT, and shall be beyond the Egypt-Palestine frontier.

The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949

2. The Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary,

Note that there are no borders for Israel mentioned anywhere in these agreements

Palestine is mentioned many times but a place called Israel is not mentioned at all.

Also note that these agreements took place after the end of the Mandate, after resolution 181, and after the end of the 1948 war.

So tell us again,
with whom the Arab nations signed agreements referring to Palestine borders?


Now you start dancing...

The borders of all of the new states were defined by post war treaties.

Nice deflection.
And in agreements with which nation did those sovereign states reference Palestine borders?

 

[P F Tinmore]

1. The Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the international boundary between the Lebanon and Palestine.

The Avalon Project : Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, March 23, 1949

Where the existing truce lines run along the international boundary between Syria and Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the boundary line

The Avalon Project : Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement, July 20, 1949

(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall be determined by existing military positions as surveyed in March 1949 by United Nations observers, and shall run from north to south as delineated on map 1 in annex I to this Agreement.

The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

2. This withdrawal shall begin on the day after that which follows the signing of this Agreement, at 0500 hours GMT, and shall be beyond the Egypt-Palestine frontier.

The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949

2. The Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary,

Note that there are no borders for Israel mentioned anywhere in these agreements

Palestine is mentioned many times but a place called Israel is not mentioned at all.

Also note that these agreements took place after the end of the Mandate, after resolution 181, and after the end of the 1948 war.

So tell us again,
with whom the Arab nations signed agreements referring to Palestine borders?


Now you start dancing...

The borders of all of the new states were defined by post war treaties.

Who publishes the borders?
Link us to the real map.

There were several treaties involved in the definition of borders. They culminated in the final borders of the several new states.

Provide the Link.

File:The Middle East-1942.jpg - Wikipedia

 

[Indeependent]

So tell us again,
with whom the Arab nations signed agreements referring to Palestine borders?


Now you start dancing...

The borders of all of the new states were defined by post war treaties.

Who publishes the borders?
Link us to the real map.

There were several treaties involved in the definition of borders. They culminated in the final borders of the several new states.

Provide the Link.

File:The Middle East-1942.jpg - Wikipedia

Anonymous author...random map.
Are you on crack?

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Settlements only "illegal" for Jews
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Every State likewise has the duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate international lines of demarcation, such as armistice lines, established by or pursuant to an international agreement to which it is a party or which it is otherwise bound to respect. Nothing in the foregoing shall be construed as prejudicing the positions of the parties concerned with regard to the status and effects of such lines under their special regimes or as affecting their temporary character.

The "Green Line" = "Armistice Line" = "Demarcation Line" (From the specific - to the category - to the generalization.)

All Armistice Lines are a form of Demarcation. Not all Demarcations are Armistice Lines.

Not true.

The "Green Line" was a line that military forces could not cross.

It was specifically not to be a political or territorial boundary.

(COMMENT)

The West Bank refers to the territory situated west of the Jordan River that was not included as part of Israel following the establishment of the state after the Arab–Israel War of 1948. The West Bank's total area is 2,270 square miles (5,880 sq. km), smaller than the area that was originally allocated to a future Arab state by the United Nations partition resolution of November 1947. It is demarcated by the Green Line (the armistice line set by the 1949 Jordanian-Israeli talks at Rhodes) in the west and the Jordan River in the east.

View attachment 302037
A demarcation is a line, boundary, or other conceptual separation between things.
Geographically, a demarcation might be the border that separates
two countries or the river that divides two regions.
​

Most Respectfully,
R

1. The Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the international boundary between the Lebanon and Palestine.

The Avalon Project : Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, March 23, 1949

Where the existing truce lines run along the international boundary between Syria and Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the boundary line

The Avalon Project : Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement, July 20, 1949

(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall be determined by existing military positions as surveyed in March 1949 by United Nations observers, and shall run from north to south as delineated on map 1 in annex I to this Agreement.

The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

2. This withdrawal shall begin on the day after that which follows the signing of this Agreement, at 0500 hours GMT, and shall be beyond the Egypt-Palestine frontier.

The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949

2. The Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary,

Note that there are no borders for Israel mentioned anywhere in these agreements

Palestine is mentioned many times but a place called Israel is not mentioned at all.

Also note that these agreements took place after the end of the Mandate, after resolution 181, and after the end of the 1948 war.

So tell us again,
with whom the Arab nations signed agreements referring to Palestine borders?


Now you start dancing...

The borders of all of the new states were defined by post war treaties.

Nice deflection.
And in agreements with which nation did those sovereign states reference Palestine borders?

None of Palestine's neighbors dispute Palestine's borders.

 

[Indeependent]

RE: Settlements only "illegal" for Jews
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

​

The "Green Line" = "Armistice Line" = "Demarcation Line" (From the specific - to the category - to the generalization.)

All Armistice Lines are a form of Demarcation. Not all Demarcations are Armistice Lines.

(COMMENT)

​

View attachment 302037
A demarcation is a line, boundary, or other conceptual separation between things.
Geographically, a demarcation might be the border that separates
two countries or the river that divides two regions.
​

Most Respectfully,
R

1. The Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the international boundary between the Lebanon and Palestine.

The Avalon Project : Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, March 23, 1949

Where the existing truce lines run along the international boundary between Syria and Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the boundary line

The Avalon Project : Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement, July 20, 1949

(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall be determined by existing military positions as surveyed in March 1949 by United Nations observers, and shall run from north to south as delineated on map 1 in annex I to this Agreement.

The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

2. This withdrawal shall begin on the day after that which follows the signing of this Agreement, at 0500 hours GMT, and shall be beyond the Egypt-Palestine frontier.

The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949

2. The Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary,

Note that there are no borders for Israel mentioned anywhere in these agreements

Palestine is mentioned many times but a place called Israel is not mentioned at all.

Also note that these agreements took place after the end of the Mandate, after resolution 181, and after the end of the 1948 war.

So tell us again,
with whom the Arab nations signed agreements referring to Palestine borders?


Now you start dancing...

The borders of all of the new states were defined by post war treaties.

Nice deflection.
And in agreements with which nation did those sovereign states reference Palestine borders?

None of Palestine's neighbors dispute Palestine's borders.

Of course not: their neighbors trapped them in.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Settlements only "illegal" for Jews
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

The criteria for any of the four Armistice Arrangements have all been superseded in one way or another.

1. The Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the international boundary between the Lebanon and Palestine.

The Avalon Project : Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, March 23, 1949

Where the existing truce lines run along the international boundary between Syria and Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the boundary line

The Avalon Project : Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement, July 20, 1949

(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall be determined by existing military positions as surveyed in March 1949 by United Nations observers, and shall run from north to south as delineated on map 1 in annex I to this Agreement.

The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

2. This withdrawal shall begin on the day after that which follows the signing of this Agreement, at 0500 hours GMT, and shall be beyond the Egypt-Palestine frontier.

The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949

2. The Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary,

Note that there are no borders for Israel mentioned anywhere in these agreements

Palestine is mentioned many times but a place called Israel is not mentioned at all.

Also note that these agreements took place after the end of the Mandate, after resolution 181, and after the end of the 1948 war.

The borders of all of the new states were defined by post war treaties.

(COMMENT)

There are essentially six (6) criteria that have been established and are important on the topic; An interim agreement on an easement, two Knesset enacted laws, two Treaties and a Letter of Understanding on Israel’s withdrawal to the international boundaries. They are:

◈ Israeli-Palestinian Interim Agreement Oslo II (1995) Map 6 •

◈ Basic Law: Jerusalem, Capital of Israel •
◈ Golan Heights Law •

◈ Egypt and Israel Treaty of Peace w/MAP (1979) •
◈ Jordan-Israeli Peace Treaty (1994) •

◈ Letter dated 12 June 2000 from the Permanent Representative of Lebanon •​

All of these instruments pertain to what is relevant now. No matter what your interpretation of the Armistice agreements may be, they have all been overtaken by events. We are now in the 21st Century and we need to solve the problems of today (forget yester-year).


Most Respectfully,
R

 

[rylah]

RE: Settlements only "illegal" for Jews
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

​

The "Green Line" = "Armistice Line" = "Demarcation Line" (From the specific - to the category - to the generalization.)

All Armistice Lines are a form of Demarcation. Not all Demarcations are Armistice Lines.

(COMMENT)

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A demarcation is a line, boundary, or other conceptual separation between things.
Geographically, a demarcation might be the border that separates
two countries or the river that divides two regions.
​

Most Respectfully,
R

1. The Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the international boundary between the Lebanon and Palestine.

The Avalon Project : Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, March 23, 1949

Where the existing truce lines run along the international boundary between Syria and Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the boundary line

The Avalon Project : Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement, July 20, 1949

(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall be determined by existing military positions as surveyed in March 1949 by United Nations observers, and shall run from north to south as delineated on map 1 in annex I to this Agreement.

The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

2. This withdrawal shall begin on the day after that which follows the signing of this Agreement, at 0500 hours GMT, and shall be beyond the Egypt-Palestine frontier.

The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949

2. The Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary,

Note that there are no borders for Israel mentioned anywhere in these agreements

Palestine is mentioned many times but a place called Israel is not mentioned at all.

Also note that these agreements took place after the end of the Mandate, after resolution 181, and after the end of the 1948 war.

So tell us again,
with whom the Arab nations signed agreements referring to Palestine borders?


Now you start dancing...

The borders of all of the new states were defined by post war treaties.

Nice deflection.
And in agreements with which nation did those sovereign states reference Palestine borders?

None of Palestine's neighbors dispute Palestine's borders.

Exactly the weakness of your whole narrative.
And with which nation do they sign international agreements featuring these borders?

 

[Indeependent]

1. The Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the international boundary between the Lebanon and Palestine.

The Avalon Project : Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, March 23, 1949

Where the existing truce lines run along the international boundary between Syria and Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the boundary line

The Avalon Project : Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement, July 20, 1949

(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall be determined by existing military positions as surveyed in March 1949 by United Nations observers, and shall run from north to south as delineated on map 1 in annex I to this Agreement.

The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

2. This withdrawal shall begin on the day after that which follows the signing of this Agreement, at 0500 hours GMT, and shall be beyond the Egypt-Palestine frontier.

The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949

2. The Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary,

Note that there are no borders for Israel mentioned anywhere in these agreements

Palestine is mentioned many times but a place called Israel is not mentioned at all.

Also note that these agreements took place after the end of the Mandate, after resolution 181, and after the end of the 1948 war.

So tell us again,
with whom the Arab nations signed agreements referring to Palestine borders?


Now you start dancing...

The borders of all of the new states were defined by post war treaties.

Nice deflection.
And in agreements with which nation did those sovereign states reference Palestine borders?

None of Palestine's neighbors dispute Palestine's borders.

Exactly the weakness of your whole narrative.
And with which nation do they sign international agreements featuring these borders?

Tin has to be mentally ill.

 

[rylah]

So tell us again,
with whom the Arab nations signed agreements referring to Palestine borders?


Now you start dancing...

The borders of all of the new states were defined by post war treaties.

Nice deflection.
And in agreements with which nation did those sovereign states reference Palestine borders?

None of Palestine's neighbors dispute Palestine's borders.

Exactly the weakness of your whole narrative.
And with which nation do they sign international agreements featuring these borders?

Tin has to be mentally ill.

He's certainly more interested in Israel than his own alleged country, or anything else.
The guy has been posting fanatically Jihadi propaganda on a daily basis for the last 10 years.

 

[P F Tinmore]

So. Going back to the point of the thread. Since there is NO boundary which divides the territory -- how is it possible to say WHERE Israelis are permitted to live and where Palestinians are permitted to live, thus determining which residents are "illegal" and which are not?

Further, why are "settlements" in places where there ARE boundaries -- like Azerbaijan, Western Sahara, Cyprus, Crimea -- not treated with the same level of world-wide condemnation?

So. Going back to the point of the thread. Since there is NO boundary which divides the territory

Correction. There is no boundary which divides Palestine.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Settlements only "illegal" for Jews
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

The criteria for any of the four Armistice Arrangements have all been superseded in one way or another.

1. The Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the international boundary between the Lebanon and Palestine.

The Avalon Project : Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, March 23, 1949

Where the existing truce lines run along the international boundary between Syria and Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the boundary line

The Avalon Project : Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement, July 20, 1949

(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall be determined by existing military positions as surveyed in March 1949 by United Nations observers, and shall run from north to south as delineated on map 1 in annex I to this Agreement.

The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

2. This withdrawal shall begin on the day after that which follows the signing of this Agreement, at 0500 hours GMT, and shall be beyond the Egypt-Palestine frontier.

The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949

2. The Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary,

Note that there are no borders for Israel mentioned anywhere in these agreements

Palestine is mentioned many times but a place called Israel is not mentioned at all.

Also note that these agreements took place after the end of the Mandate, after resolution 181, and after the end of the 1948 war.

The borders of all of the new states were defined by post war treaties.

(COMMENT)

There are essentially six (6) criteria that have been established and are important on the topic; An interim agreement on an easement, two Knesset enacted laws, two Treaties and a Letter of Understanding on Israel’s withdrawal to the international boundaries. They are:

◈ Israeli-Palestinian Interim Agreement Oslo II (1995) Map 6 •

◈ Basic Law: Jerusalem, Capital of Israel •
◈ Golan Heights Law •

◈ Egypt and Israel Treaty of Peace w/MAP (1979) •
◈ Jordan-Israeli Peace Treaty (1994) •

◈ Letter dated 12 June 2000 from the Permanent Representative of Lebanon •​

All of these instruments pertain to what is relevant now. No matter what your interpretation of the Armistice agreements may be, they have all been overtaken by events. We are now in the 21st Century and we need to solve the problems of today (forget yester-year).


Most Respectfully,
R

What foreign country has the authority to change the borders of another country?

 

[Hollie]

RE: Settlements only "illegal" for Jews
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

The criteria for any of the four Armistice Arrangements have all been superseded in one way or another.

1. The Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the international boundary between the Lebanon and Palestine.

The Avalon Project : Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, March 23, 1949

Where the existing truce lines run along the international boundary between Syria and Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the boundary line

The Avalon Project : Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement, July 20, 1949

(d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall be determined by existing military positions as surveyed in March 1949 by United Nations observers, and shall run from north to south as delineated on map 1 in annex I to this Agreement.

The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

2. This withdrawal shall begin on the day after that which follows the signing of this Agreement, at 0500 hours GMT, and shall be beyond the Egypt-Palestine frontier.

The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949

2. The Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary,

Note that there are no borders for Israel mentioned anywhere in these agreements

Palestine is mentioned many times but a place called Israel is not mentioned at all.

Also note that these agreements took place after the end of the Mandate, after resolution 181, and after the end of the 1948 war.

The borders of all of the new states were defined by post war treaties.

(COMMENT)

There are essentially six (6) criteria that have been established and are important on the topic; An interim agreement on an easement, two Knesset enacted laws, two Treaties and a Letter of Understanding on Israel’s withdrawal to the international boundaries. They are:

◈ Israeli-Palestinian Interim Agreement Oslo II (1995) Map 6 •

◈ Basic Law: Jerusalem, Capital of Israel •
◈ Golan Heights Law •

◈ Egypt and Israel Treaty of Peace w/MAP (1979) •
◈ Jordan-Israeli Peace Treaty (1994) •

◈ Letter dated 12 June 2000 from the Permanent Representative of Lebanon •​

All of these instruments pertain to what is relevant now. No matter what your interpretation of the Armistice agreements may be, they have all been overtaken by events. We are now in the 21st Century and we need to solve the problems of today (forget yester-year).


Most Respectfully,
R

What foreign country has the authority to change the borders of another country?

What borders of what country were changed?

Link?


Could you be suggesting that the imaginary borders of your Magical Kngdom of Pally'land (magically invented by the Treaty of Lausanne), were changed?

Link?


Wasn't there a government of the Magical Kingdom that would have objected?

Link?