Affirmative Action Needs to Be Banned (all 50 states)

[protectionist]

Affirmative action ended the monopoly that white males had on top level jobs

Affirmative action has to do with far more than just top level jobs.

 

[Asclepias]

Affirmative action ended the monopoly that white males had on top level jobs

then it should be discontinued

We need 350 more years. Fair is fair.

 

[protectionist]

Why should AA go away?

If considering race to not hire someone is wrong, considering race to hire them is also wrong.

Thats just stupid because you ignore the fact that some groups were denied employment just for being who they are. Since going "hey everybody be fair mmkay?" didnt work something had to be done.

what do you propose to help people who are discriminated against?

So it's OK to use race to make up for what happened in the past? That's stupid.

Do something about those that did the discriminating.

No, you're right, when someone is wronged the best way to deal with it is to ignore it. And ignore it because someone says you should and no other reason than that.

What should be done to those that discriminate? I will love to hear this one. Jail? Fines?

Those that discriminate are those who support and push Affirmative Action. AA is the largest (by far) amount of racial discrimination, against the largest group of people (Whites), over the past 51 years.
So I'll tell you what should be done with those AA discriminators. They should be made to pay reparations$$$$ to all the Whites that they discriminated against, and have damaged for decades.

 

[squeeze berry]

Affirmative action ended the monopoly that white males had on top level jobs

then it should be discontinued

We need 350 more years. Fair is fair.

you need all the help you can get

 

[Asclepias]

Affirmative action ended the monopoly that white males had on top level jobs

then it should be discontinued

We need 350 more years. Fair is fair.

you need all the help you can get

So that means you are going to stop whining about Blacks having 400 years of partial AA?

 

[protectionist]

Affirmative action has been a major success in this country that all Americans have benefitted from

That is preposterous. I just stated what AA has been, and as the largest, malicious racial discrimination against the largest # of people, of 51 years, it is also one of America's top disgraces which has ruined hundreds of millions of people lives + kept many poor Whites mired in poverty.

I saw poverty in many Black and Hispanic communities. None of them were nearly as bad as the poverty I saw in the mountain areas of East Tennessee, Eastern Kentucky, and western North Carolina, all among white people.

I never saw Blacks and Hispanics in the cities going without a pair of shoes until they were 10 years old. Even going to school barefoot. I never saw Blacks and Hispanics in the cities without indoor plumbing in their homes. This was common among Whites in the southern mountains, whose water consisted of an outside pump, or retrieving water from a nearby stream (similar to how the pioneers did it 200 years ago).

 

[protectionist]

Why should AA go away?

You're so-called "peaceful revolution" could have been attained by supplying AA for those who NEED it (based on economic class), without being racist, based on race, and sexist, based on gender. Them within, that context, the jobs could be given based on qualifications.

It should go away, because it is a disgrace to America, that has maliciously, racistly discriminated against (by far) more people than anything else, for 50 years, and reparations should be now paid to compensate the victims of it.

Ever noticed how the supporters of AA says it's OK to use race if it benefits certain groups but using the same factor to deny is wrong?

Which is why they are total HYPOCRITES.

 

[protectionist]

You're so-called "peaceful revolution" could have been attained by supplying AA for those who NEED it (based on economic class), without being racist, based on race, and sexist, based on gender. Them within, that context, the jobs could be given based on qualifications.

It should go away, because it is a disgrace to America, that has maliciously, racistly discriminated against (by far) more people than anything else, for 50 years, and reparations should be now paid to compensate the victims of it.

AA is supplied to those that need it. The problem seems to be that you have determined that millions of beneficaries of that policy didnt really "need it"...Whatever that means.

And the entire reason you think it should go away is because....you think so. You have anything else or thats the gist?

The entire reason I say it should go away is because it uses a factor to benefit that would be considered wrong is used to deny.

Seems you've determined that millions of beneficiaries needed it, whatever that means.

I dont know but either you dont know that discrimation has actually happened or you dont care that it did happen. Thats the only way you can have an idea that righting wrongs is petty.

I didnt say they needed it but YOU DID SAY it should be for only those that "need it". You shouldnt say things if you cant explain what they mean

I don't deny that it happened and that it was wrong. What I said is that trying to make up for it using the same factor that was used is denying it is also wrong.

Your logic is just wrong because what you're doing is using the "Intolerance" argument that goes

"Its intolerant to be intolerant or intolerance"

No helping the people who were adversely affected by a policy is not a bad thing. Its an apology or sorts.

A weak one at that since AA isnt only for Blacks.

AA often IS only for Blacks. I, and 16 other non-Blacks were denied assistantships in our graduate school. 8 assistantships were granted. ALL to the only 8 Blacks who applied. And among those who were denied, were women, Hispanics, and Asians.

 

[rightwinger]

Affirmative action ended the monopoly that white males had on top level jobs

Affirmative action has to do with far more than just top level jobs.

It sure does
It is about providing opportunity

 

[rightwinger]

AA is supplied to those that need it. The problem seems to be that you have determined that millions of beneficaries of that policy didnt really "need it"...Whatever that means.

And the entire reason you think it should go away is because....you think so. You have anything else or thats the gist?

The entire reason I say it should go away is because it uses a factor to benefit that would be considered wrong is used to deny.

Seems you've determined that millions of beneficiaries needed it, whatever that means.

I dont know but either you dont know that discrimation has actually happened or you dont care that it did happen. Thats the only way you can have an idea that righting wrongs is petty.

I didnt say they needed it but YOU DID SAY it should be for only those that "need it". You shouldnt say things if you cant explain what they mean

I don't deny that it happened and that it was wrong. What I said is that trying to make up for it using the same factor that was used is denying it is also wrong.

Your logic is just wrong because what you're doing is using the "Intolerance" argument that goes

"Its intolerant to be intolerant or intolerance"

No helping the people who were adversely affected by a policy is not a bad thing. Its an apology or sorts.

A weak one at that since AA isnt only for Blacks.

AA often IS only for Blacks. I, and 16 other non-Blacks were denied assistantships in our graduate school. 8 assistantships were granted. ALL to the only 8 Blacks who applied. And among those who were denied, were women, Hispanics, and Asians.

I call bullshit

 

[rightwinger]

Affirmative action has been a major success in this country that all Americans have benefitted from

That is preposterous. I just stated what AA has been, and as the largest, malicious racial discrimination against the largest # of people, of 51 years, it is also one of America's top disgraces which has ruined hundreds of millions of people lives + kept many poor Whites mired in poverty.

I saw poverty in many Black and Hispanic communities. None of them were nearly as bad as the poverty I saw in the mountain areas of East Tennessee, Eastern Kentucky, and western North Carolina, all among white people.

I never saw Blacks and Hispanics in the cities going without a pair of shoes until they were 10 years old. Even going to school barefoot. I never saw Blacks and Hispanics in the cities without indoor plumbing in their homes. This was common among Whites in the southern mountains, whose water consisted of an outside pump, or retrieving water from a nearby stream (similar to how the pioneers did it 200 years ago).

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Affirmative Action has been a major success
Prior to affirmative action, women and blacks knew their place in the workforce. Affirmative action opened up all jobs

 

[squeeze berry]

Affirmative action has been a major success in this country that all Americans have benefitted from

That is preposterous. I just stated what AA has been, and as the largest, malicious racial discrimination against the largest # of people, of 51 years, it is also one of America's top disgraces which has ruined hundreds of millions of people lives + kept many poor Whites mired in poverty.

I saw poverty in many Black and Hispanic communities. None of them were nearly as bad as the poverty I saw in the mountain areas of East Tennessee, Eastern Kentucky, and western North Carolina, all among white people.

I never saw Blacks and Hispanics in the cities going without a pair of shoes until they were 10 years old. Even going to school barefoot. I never saw Blacks and Hispanics in the cities without indoor plumbing in their homes. This was common among Whites in the southern mountains, whose water consisted of an outside pump, or retrieving water from a nearby stream (similar to how the pioneers did it 200 years ago).

View attachment 36496

Affirmative Action has been a major success
Prior to affirmative action, women and blacks knew their place in the workforce. Affirmative action opened up all jobs

then it's no longer needed since you are speaking in the past tense

 

[rightwinger]

Affirmative action has been a major success in this country that all Americans have benefitted from

That is preposterous. I just stated what AA has been, and as the largest, malicious racial discrimination against the largest # of people, of 51 years, it is also one of America's top disgraces which has ruined hundreds of millions of people lives + kept many poor Whites mired in poverty.

I saw poverty in many Black and Hispanic communities. None of them were nearly as bad as the poverty I saw in the mountain areas of East Tennessee, Eastern Kentucky, and western North Carolina, all among white people.

I never saw Blacks and Hispanics in the cities going without a pair of shoes until they were 10 years old. Even going to school barefoot. I never saw Blacks and Hispanics in the cities without indoor plumbing in their homes. This was common among Whites in the southern mountains, whose water consisted of an outside pump, or retrieving water from a nearby stream (similar to how the pioneers did it 200 years ago).

View attachment 36496

Affirmative Action has been a major success
Prior to affirmative action, women and blacks knew their place in the workforce. Affirmative action opened up all jobs

then it's no longer needed since you are speaking in the past tense

If it is no longer needed, then business has no problem meeting the requirements
We don't want to slide back to where we were in the 50s do we?

 

[protectionist]

Affirmative action ended the monopoly that white males had on top level jobs

then it should be discontinued

We need 350 more years. Fair is fair.

YOU don't need even ONE more year.. How many years did YOU live under Jim Crow laws ? Whites need 51 more years. That's how long we've been living under Affirmative Action racism.

 

[protectionist]

Affirmative action has been a major success in this country that all Americans have benefitted from

That is preposterous. I just stated what AA has been, and as the largest, malicious racial discrimination against the largest # of people, of 51 years, it is also one of America's top disgraces which has ruined hundreds of millions of people lives + kept many poor Whites mired in poverty.

I saw poverty in many Black and Hispanic communities. None of them were nearly as bad as the poverty I saw in the mountain areas of East Tennessee, Eastern Kentucky, and western North Carolina, all among white people.

I never saw Blacks and Hispanics in the cities going without a pair of shoes until they were 10 years old. Even going to school barefoot. I never saw Blacks and Hispanics in the cities without indoor plumbing in their homes. This was common among Whites in the southern mountains, whose water consisted of an outside pump, or retrieving water from a nearby stream (similar to how the pioneers did it 200 years ago).

View attachment 36496

Affirmative Action has been a major success
Prior to affirmative action, women and blacks knew their place in the workforce. Affirmative action opened up all jobs

then it's no longer needed since you are speaking in the past tense

If it is no longer needed, then business has no problem meeting the requirements
We don't want to slide back to where we were in the 50s do we?

You mean before the worst racial discrimination (AKA Affirmative Action) too place ? Yes, that's exactly what we need to be. Plus reparations$$$$$$$$ paid to all the Whites who suffered all the malicious racial discrimination of AA for 51 years. But this money shouldn't be paid out of the general taxes. It should be paid by the AA discriminators, who have supported and pushed this national disgrace for 5 decades.

 

[rightwinger]

Affirmative action has been a major success in this country that all Americans have benefitted from

That is preposterous. I just stated what AA has been, and as the largest, malicious racial discrimination against the largest # of people, of 51 years, it is also one of America's top disgraces which has ruined hundreds of millions of people lives + kept many poor Whites mired in poverty.

I saw poverty in many Black and Hispanic communities. None of them were nearly as bad as the poverty I saw in the mountain areas of East Tennessee, Eastern Kentucky, and western North Carolina, all among white people.

I never saw Blacks and Hispanics in the cities going without a pair of shoes until they were 10 years old. Even going to school barefoot. I never saw Blacks and Hispanics in the cities without indoor plumbing in their homes. This was common among Whites in the southern mountains, whose water consisted of an outside pump, or retrieving water from a nearby stream (similar to how the pioneers did it 200 years ago).

View attachment 36496

Affirmative Action has been a major success
Prior to affirmative action, women and blacks knew their place in the workforce. Affirmative action opened up all jobs

then it's no longer needed since you are speaking in the past tense

If it is no longer needed, then business has no problem meeting the requirements
We don't want to slide back to where we were in the 50s do we?

You mean before the worst racial discrimination (AKA Affirmative Action) too place ? Yes, that's exactly what we need to be. Plus reparations$$$$$$$$ paid to all the Whites who suffered all the malicious racial discrimination of AA for 51 years. But this money shouldn't be paid out of the general taxes. It should be paid by the AA discriminators, who have supported and pushed this national disgrace for 5 decades.

It sure made it rough on white males who no longer had the top jobs reserved for them

 

[katsteve2012]

Just because I am a white woman, this in no way makes it probable that I obtained degrees, jobs, etc. just because of my race and gender. Nobody handed anything to me. It is racist for anyone of another race to think so.

The weak and spineless white males in general who oppose AA, in general are the ones who are insecure, and cannot effectively compete without preferential treatment.

And those test results have nothing to do with you as an INDIVIDUAL. Being part of a collective does not by default make you a part of the more intelligent percentage of that collective.

If you had a complete brain cell you would know that.

I already know that and have stated as such

just don't wonder why blacks as a collective are behind in SES

Affirmative action is for you b/c of your collective stupidity

you are the prime example ******[/QUOTE

Congratulations. You actually posted and puntuated an "almost" complete sentence. Who helped you write it?

And yes, I am a "prime example" of someone who calls an idiot an idiot when I see one.

 

[katsteve2012]

Thats weird. White males have unfettered AA for 400 years and they are whining about Blacks having partial AA for 50 years? Squeeze ancestors had all that time to build a legacy and still couldnt get it done.

link to my 400 years of AA

Chart of the Thirteen Original Colonies - Basic Information on the Founding of the 13 Colonies

hint stupid

I'm not 400 years old

Where did I say you were stupid?

You didn't. I did.

 

[katsteve2012]

AA is supplied to those that need it. The problem seems to be that you have determined that millions of beneficaries of that policy didnt really "need it"...Whatever that means.

And the entire reason you think it should go away is because....you think so. You have anything else or thats the gist?

The entire reason I say it should go away is because it uses a factor to benefit that would be considered wrong is used to deny.

Seems you've determined that millions of beneficiaries needed it, whatever that means.

I dont know but either you dont know that discrimation has actually happened or you dont care that it did happen. Thats the only way you can have an idea that righting wrongs is petty.

I didnt say they needed it but YOU DID SAY it should be for only those that "need it". You shouldnt say things if you cant explain what they mean

I don't deny that it happened and that it was wrong. What I said is that trying to make up for it using the same factor that was used is denying it is also wrong.

Your logic is just wrong because what you're doing is using the "Intolerance" argument that goes

"Its intolerant to be intolerant or intolerance"

No helping the people who were adversely affected by a policy is not a bad thing. Its an apology or sorts.

A weak one at that since AA isnt only for Blacks.

AA often IS only for Blacks. I, and 16 other non-Blacks were denied assistantships in our graduate school. 8 assistantships were granted. ALL to the only 8 Blacks who applied. And among those who were denied, were women, Hispanics, and Asians.

How long ago was that? At the inception of the initiative, some blacks(not all) were the beneficiaries of AA, simply because those are the blacks who grew up in an era of legalized discrimination.

 

[protectionist]

That is preposterous. I just stated what AA has been, and as the largest, malicious racial discrimination against the largest # of people, of 51 years, it is also one of America's top disgraces which has ruined hundreds of millions of people lives + kept many poor Whites mired in poverty.

I saw poverty in many Black and Hispanic communities. None of them were nearly as bad as the poverty I saw in the mountain areas of East Tennessee, Eastern Kentucky, and western North Carolina, all among white people.

I never saw Blacks and Hispanics in the cities going without a pair of shoes until they were 10 years old. Even going to school barefoot. I never saw Blacks and Hispanics in the cities without indoor plumbing in their homes. This was common among Whites in the southern mountains, whose water consisted of an outside pump, or retrieving water from a nearby stream (similar to how the pioneers did it 200 years ago).

View attachment 36496

Affirmative Action has been a major success
Prior to affirmative action, women and blacks knew their place in the workforce. Affirmative action opened up all jobs

then it's no longer needed since you are speaking in the past tense

If it is no longer needed, then business has no problem meeting the requirements
We don't want to slide back to where we were in the 50s do we?

You mean before the worst racial discrimination (AKA Affirmative Action) too place ? Yes, that's exactly what we need to be. Plus reparations$$$$$$$$ paid to all the Whites who suffered all the malicious racial discrimination of AA for 51 years. But this money shouldn't be paid out of the general taxes. It should be paid by the AA discriminators, who have supported and pushed this national disgrace for 5 decades.

It sure made it rough on white males who no longer had the top jobs reserved for them

It sure made it rough on White males, White women, Hispanics, Asians, American Indians, and everyone not Black, and for jobs on ALL LEVELS. Same with college admissions, financial aid, business loans, etc