ACA: Repeal and Delay?

[peach174]

The GOP has nothing to replace it with. I've even heard they might delay any of the repeal taking effect until after 2020.

The thing is, they have no idea how complicated it really is. Best analogy I heard was - the GOP is like a dog that chased a car and finally got it...now what do they do with it?

It is easy to point and scream Trainwreck...Trainwreck

But for some reason, Republicans have yet to come up with something better

Why not make Obamacare a choice from the start? Like an opt in…
Well the reason why control freaks that are progressives can't handle people disagreeing with them… Fact

Obamacare has always been a choice

You could shop for an Obamacare policy or see if you can find a better one on the open market

According to Dems, there was none for them in the open market

 

[Rustic]

The GOP has nothing to replace it with. I've even heard they might delay any of the repeal taking effect until after 2020.

The thing is, they have no idea how complicated it really is. Best analogy I heard was - the GOP is like a dog that chased a car and finally got it...now what do they do with it?

It is easy to point and scream Trainwreck...Trainwreck

But for some reason, Republicans have yet to come up with something better

Why not make Obamacare a choice from the start? Like an opt in…
Well the reason why control freaks that are progressives can't handle people disagreeing with them… Fact

Obamacare has always been a choice

You could shop for an Obamacare policy or see if you can find a better one on the open market

No one should be forced into purchasing any type of insurance, because then it's really legalized extortion… Fact

 

[kaz]

So you believe that poor people are looking at other people and what they get before deciding whether to have babies on welfare or not when they are getting free shit either way. You actually believe that.

Well, I'll not have babies because everyone else is getting free healthcare too ...

Yeah, that's what they think ...

I live in Kentucky and I've seen it. Before Medicaid expansion to the states, I KNOW people that had kids just so they could get health insurance for themselves. I've also seen people that brag about how much in SNAP benefits they get because of the kids they have... I've seen people plan to have more kids just to get more benefits. It happens all across the country. If you don't think it happens, you are walking around with your eyes closed.

Anecdotal stories make a terrible argument, and for good reason.

It does happen, but you have the wrong reason. The correct reason is in your story, re-read it after I explain it to you. No one doesn't work because other people do or don't get benefits. They don't work because they get more benefits for not working.

What we absolutely need to do is make sure that no one ever gets more money for not working than working. Welfare should phase out in a way that you always get more total money if you work. The problem is that we have cutoffs for welfare. I had one guy who worked for my business who every period end counted his hours to make sure he didn't exceed the cutoffs. That is flat out stupid.

Now re-read what you wrote. That is what you in your own story pointed out. They did not decide to work because of what anyone else gets, they decided to not work because they got less than if they worked. That is a rational decision, frankly. Democrats know that too, it's how they enslave the poor to vote for them. The last thing a Democrat wants is a poor person to succeed

No, you are talking about something different than what I am. If you give benefits to the poor people without children as incentives to go back to work, instead of only helping and giving benefits to those with kids, you create an environment where people who can't afford to have children do so. Plain and simple.

Giving out more free shit never leads to giving out less free shit ... ever ...

Yes, yes it does when you put a rule on free shit that you have to have a child to get it. Here in Kentucky it is a never ending cycle. It has changed some sense Medicaid expansion but it still happens. You have young poor people that have kids to get benefits... then they have more kids to get more benefits... then when those kids get old enough to have kids, they stay at home and have kids too. And the cycle goes on and on... with several people living in one house just having kids in order to get benefits. If you make it so that single poor people have benefits, then they won't have those kids like that, and then they will have a better opportunity to make something of themselves.

And you propose to solve the problem by giving them more welfare even if they don't have kids so they don't need to have kids to get more welfare. That's categorically ridiculous

 

[Rustic]

The thing is, they have no idea how complicated it really is. Best analogy I heard was - the GOP is like a dog that chased a car and finally got it...now what do they do with it?

It is easy to point and scream Trainwreck...Trainwreck

But for some reason, Republicans have yet to come up with something better

Why not make Obamacare a choice from the start? Like an opt in…
Well the reason why control freaks that are progressives can't handle people disagreeing with them… Fact

Not a fact.

Forcing everyone to purchase insurance was the only way to have a large enough pool of healthy people paying in to balance the taking in of people with pre-existing conditions and serious illness. Otherwise there was no way the insurance companies would accept pre-existing conditions.

It's nothing to do with control freaks and not handling disagreement - jeez you guys are a one-trick pony. It's economics.

See that's the problem of the whole concept of paying into a pool… Deadbeats only benefit from it by abusing it.
I will never pay into a pool for anything it's a rotten concept made to fail… Fact

If you are in an insurance pool....

Do you really want to be the one with hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical bills?

I don't worry about what might happen, ultimately that's out of my control. But insurance/single payer or whatever you want to call it will not stop Shit from happening. So you can take your nanny state and shove it up your ass if you want to. I just soon I have nothing to do with the nanny state. It's not my style

 

[rightwinger]

The GOP has nothing to replace it with. I've even heard they might delay any of the repeal taking effect until after 2020.

The thing is, they have no idea how complicated it really is. Best analogy I heard was - the GOP is like a dog that chased a car and finally got it...now what do they do with it?

It is easy to point and scream Trainwreck...Trainwreck

But for some reason, Republicans have yet to come up with something better

Why not make Obamacare a choice from the start? Like an opt in…
Well the reason why control freaks that are progressives can't handle people disagreeing with them… Fact

Obamacare has always been a choice

You could shop for an Obamacare policy or see if you can find a better one on the open market

According to Dems, there was none for them in the open market

Nobody was ever forced to take an Obamacare policy. Only forced to have some type of insurance

You could always shop on the open market if you thought you could find a better deal

 

[rightwinger]

It is easy to point and scream Trainwreck...Trainwreck

But for some reason, Republicans have yet to come up with something better

Why not make Obamacare a choice from the start? Like an opt in…
Well the reason why control freaks that are progressives can't handle people disagreeing with them… Fact

Not a fact.

Forcing everyone to purchase insurance was the only way to have a large enough pool of healthy people paying in to balance the taking in of people with pre-existing conditions and serious illness. Otherwise there was no way the insurance companies would accept pre-existing conditions.

It's nothing to do with control freaks and not handling disagreement - jeez you guys are a one-trick pony. It's economics.

See that's the problem of the whole concept of paying into a pool… Deadbeats only benefit from it by abusing it.
I will never pay into a pool for anything it's a rotten concept made to fail… Fact

If you are in an insurance pool....

Do you really want to be the one with hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical bills?

I don't worry about what might happen, ultimately that's out of my control. But insurance/single payer or whatever you want to call it will not stop Shit from happening. So you can take your nanny state and shove it up your ass if you want to. I just soon I have nothing to do with the nanny state. It's not my style

Very true...it will not prevent you from getting bone cancer

But it will pay for a million dollars in treatment to save your miserable life

 

[peach174]

The thing is, they have no idea how complicated it really is. Best analogy I heard was - the GOP is like a dog that chased a car and finally got it...now what do they do with it?

It is easy to point and scream Trainwreck...Trainwreck

But for some reason, Republicans have yet to come up with something better

Why not make Obamacare a choice from the start? Like an opt in…
Well the reason why control freaks that are progressives can't handle people disagreeing with them… Fact

Obamacare has always been a choice

You could shop for an Obamacare policy or see if you can find a better one on the open market

According to Dems, there was none for them in the open market

Nobody was ever forced to take an Obamacare policy. Only forced to have some type of insurance

You could always shop on the open market if you thought you could find a better deal

The young see it differently.
Join or pay a fine.

 

[Rustic]

The thing is, they have no idea how complicated it really is. Best analogy I heard was - the GOP is like a dog that chased a car and finally got it...now what do they do with it?

It is easy to point and scream Trainwreck...Trainwreck

But for some reason, Republicans have yet to come up with something better

Why not make Obamacare a choice from the start? Like an opt in…
Well the reason why control freaks that are progressives can't handle people disagreeing with them… Fact

Obamacare has always been a choice

You could shop for an Obamacare policy or see if you can find a better one on the open market

According to Dems, there was none for them in the open market

Nobody was ever forced to take an Obamacare policy. Only forced to have some type of insurance

You could always shop on the open market if you thought you could find a better deal

The problem is the government dictates what the "right" policy is - when they have no moral/ethical wherewithal to determine such a thing. They are evil ***** that want to control everybody… Fact

 

[Rustic]

Why not make Obamacare a choice from the start? Like an opt in…
Well the reason why control freaks that are progressives can't handle people disagreeing with them… Fact

Not a fact.

Forcing everyone to purchase insurance was the only way to have a large enough pool of healthy people paying in to balance the taking in of people with pre-existing conditions and serious illness. Otherwise there was no way the insurance companies would accept pre-existing conditions.

It's nothing to do with control freaks and not handling disagreement - jeez you guys are a one-trick pony. It's economics.

See that's the problem of the whole concept of paying into a pool… Deadbeats only benefit from it by abusing it.
I will never pay into a pool for anything it's a rotten concept made to fail… Fact

If you are in an insurance pool....

Do you really want to be the one with hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical bills?

I don't worry about what might happen, ultimately that's out of my control. But insurance/single payer or whatever you want to call it will not stop Shit from happening. So you can take your nanny state and shove it up your ass if you want to. I just soon I have nothing to do with the nanny state. It's not my style

Very true...it will not prevent you from getting bone cancer

But it will pay for a million dollars in treatment to save your miserable life

I just to not live than to have to depend on the nanny state. It's just another form of federal government control.

 

[Lewdog]

I live in Kentucky and I've seen it. Before Medicaid expansion to the states, I KNOW people that had kids just so they could get health insurance for themselves. I've also seen people that brag about how much in SNAP benefits they get because of the kids they have... I've seen people plan to have more kids just to get more benefits. It happens all across the country. If you don't think it happens, you are walking around with your eyes closed.

Anecdotal stories make a terrible argument, and for good reason.

It does happen, but you have the wrong reason. The correct reason is in your story, re-read it after I explain it to you. No one doesn't work because other people do or don't get benefits. They don't work because they get more benefits for not working.

What we absolutely need to do is make sure that no one ever gets more money for not working than working. Welfare should phase out in a way that you always get more total money if you work. The problem is that we have cutoffs for welfare. I had one guy who worked for my business who every period end counted his hours to make sure he didn't exceed the cutoffs. That is flat out stupid.

Now re-read what you wrote. That is what you in your own story pointed out. They did not decide to work because of what anyone else gets, they decided to not work because they got less than if they worked. That is a rational decision, frankly. Democrats know that too, it's how they enslave the poor to vote for them. The last thing a Democrat wants is a poor person to succeed

No, you are talking about something different than what I am. If you give benefits to the poor people without children as incentives to go back to work, instead of only helping and giving benefits to those with kids, you create an environment where people who can't afford to have children do so. Plain and simple.

Giving out more free shit never leads to giving out less free shit ... ever ...

Yes, yes it does when you put a rule on free shit that you have to have a child to get it. Here in Kentucky it is a never ending cycle. It has changed some sense Medicaid expansion but it still happens. You have young poor people that have kids to get benefits... then they have more kids to get more benefits... then when those kids get old enough to have kids, they stay at home and have kids too. And the cycle goes on and on... with several people living in one house just having kids in order to get benefits. If you make it so that single poor people have benefits, then they won't have those kids like that, and then they will have a better opportunity to make something of themselves.

And you propose to solve the problem by giving them more welfare even if they don't have kids so they don't need to have kids to get more welfare. That's categorically ridiculous

No, and you don't get it, so at this point I'll make one last reply. Is it easier to get ahead in life with or without a child when trying to get started in life? Should a person feel compelled to have a child they can't afford just in order to get health care and food? Do you want to bring more children into a life of poverty that is a never ending cycle, or give young poor people a chance to get out of poverty? Now quit being a complete douche bag for a minute and use some unbiased reasoning skills.

 

[AnCap'n_Murica]

Hey numbnuts, how many states with Republican Govenors took advantage of Medicaid expansion under the ACA?

Plenty.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/16/opinion/medicaid-expansion-in-red-states.html

 

[rightwinger]

It is easy to point and scream Trainwreck...Trainwreck

But for some reason, Republicans have yet to come up with something better

Why not make Obamacare a choice from the start? Like an opt in…
Well the reason why control freaks that are progressives can't handle people disagreeing with them… Fact

Obamacare has always been a choice

You could shop for an Obamacare policy or see if you can find a better one on the open market

According to Dems, there was none for them in the open market

Nobody was ever forced to take an Obamacare policy. Only forced to have some type of insurance

You could always shop on the open market if you thought you could find a better deal

The young see it differently.
Join or pay a fine.

And old people don't like paying school taxes

Its part of living in a society

 

[AnCap'n_Murica]

The repeal should not go into effect until a new plan is ready to be launched.

**** that shit.

Replace it with nothing.

 

[rightwinger]

It is easy to point and scream Trainwreck...Trainwreck

But for some reason, Republicans have yet to come up with something better

Why not make Obamacare a choice from the start? Like an opt in…
Well the reason why control freaks that are progressives can't handle people disagreeing with them… Fact

Obamacare has always been a choice

You could shop for an Obamacare policy or see if you can find a better one on the open market

According to Dems, there was none for them in the open market

Nobody was ever forced to take an Obamacare policy. Only forced to have some type of insurance

You could always shop on the open market if you thought you could find a better deal

The problem is the government dictates what the "right" policy is - when they have no moral/ethical wherewithal to determine such a thing. They are evil ***** that want to control everybody… Fact

No they don't

Everyone has a choice on the type of policy they want or need. The Government only sets minimum standards for coverage

 

[Rustic]

Why not make Obamacare a choice from the start? Like an opt in…
Well the reason why control freaks that are progressives can't handle people disagreeing with them… Fact

Obamacare has always been a choice

You could shop for an Obamacare policy or see if you can find a better one on the open market

According to Dems, there was none for them in the open market

Nobody was ever forced to take an Obamacare policy. Only forced to have some type of insurance

You could always shop on the open market if you thought you could find a better deal

The young see it differently.
Join or pay a fine.

And old people don't like paying school taxes

Its part of living in a society

The village has outlived its usefulness… Fact

 

[peach174]

Why not make Obamacare a choice from the start? Like an opt in…
Well the reason why control freaks that are progressives can't handle people disagreeing with them… Fact

Obamacare has always been a choice

You could shop for an Obamacare policy or see if you can find a better one on the open market

According to Dems, there was none for them in the open market

Nobody was ever forced to take an Obamacare policy. Only forced to have some type of insurance

You could always shop on the open market if you thought you could find a better deal

The young see it differently.
Join or pay a fine.

And old people don't like paying school taxes

Its part of living in a society

Not in my area.
We like paying them around here.
We also get to vote on how to run them in our town.

 

[Lewdog]

Hey numbnuts, how many states with Republican Govenors took advantage of Medicaid expansion under the ACA?

Plenty.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/16/opinion/medicaid-expansion-in-red-states.html

Wrong, did you even read what you linked? That's an OP piece...

As Red States Balk, Medicaid Expansion Stops At 31 States

 

[Rustic]

Why not make Obamacare a choice from the start? Like an opt in…
Well the reason why control freaks that are progressives can't handle people disagreeing with them… Fact

Obamacare has always been a choice

You could shop for an Obamacare policy or see if you can find a better one on the open market

According to Dems, there was none for them in the open market

Nobody was ever forced to take an Obamacare policy. Only forced to have some type of insurance

You could always shop on the open market if you thought you could find a better deal

The problem is the government dictates what the "right" policy is - when they have no moral/ethical wherewithal to determine such a thing. They are evil ***** that want to control everybody… Fact

No they don't

Everyone has a choice on the type of policy they want or need. The Government only sets minimum standards for coverage

Who are they to say what minimum is acceptable? I never buy extended warranty's and the like.
That's the problem socialist society's never live within their means… They **** up and expect the nanny state to bail them out. Fact

 

[Lewdog]

BTW, out of the 19 states that didn't expand Medicaid, all 19 were blocked by Republicans.

"Arizona is one of 31 states that expanded Medicaid, many of them run by Democrats. Republicans have blocked expansion in the remaining 19 states. "

Obamacare's Medicaid expansion divides Republican governors

BTW... this article is from November 2016, NOT March 2015 like the one Captain Crunch posted.

 

[Rustic]

BTW, out of the 19 states that didn't expand Medicaid, all 19 were blocked by Republicans.

"Arizona is one of 31 states that expanded Medicaid, many of them run by Democrats. Republicans have blocked expansion in the remaining 19 states. "

Obamacare's Medicaid expansion divides Republican governors

BTW... this article is from November 2016, NOT March 2015 like the one Captain Crunch posted.

They can be said right now Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare and Social Security are the death of this country… Fact