ACA: Repeal and Delay?

[OKTexas]

Because they probably own stock in Big Pharma... and LOBBYIST.

I was posting McConnells connection with the Big Pharma...seriously this is just wrong. Why are they getting away with this?

Been going on for years...McConnell has been in Washington since 1986? Do you think Congressmen are going to give up all their free vacations and stuff and put regulations on prices on drugs? Not going to happen.

We we are watching their every move from now on....Again how do they get away with this right under our noses..

Who's We we?

We the people...get millions to come camp out at the white house

Yeah, go for it. LMAO

 

[flacaltenn]

Does not seem like a good idea....so they remove all the subsidies....what's going to happen to the people who depend on those to get insurance?

Not to mention - if they want to reinvent the wheel and replace it with a new plan, they don't have enough votes with out Democrats joining in.

Republicans Take The First Step To Repeal Obamacare

Republicans have to use a special legislative maneuver, called a budget resolution, to undo the ACA because they don't have enough votes to overcome a Democratic filibuster in the Senate. Budget bills aren't subject to filibuster, so lawmakers will be able to repeal the parts of the law that have budget and tax implications.


That means they can essentially gut the law, removing all the subsidies that help low- and middle-income people buy health insurance and getting rid of the smorgasbord of taxes — on medical devices, insurance companies and wealthy individuals — that pay for those subsidies


Enzi's resolution calls on the Senate to get a bill to the Senate Budget Committee by Jan. 27.


Republican lawmakers say they don't want the 20 million people who have newly gained insurance because of the ACA to lose their coverage. So they plan to phase out Obamacare over time while they devise a replacement plan that they say will make affordable health insurance available to everyone, without the much-hated mandate to buy insurance if you don't want it.


Many analysts are skeptical that this "repeal and delay" strategy will work.


"The most likely end result of 'repeal and delay' would be less secure insurance for many Americans, procrastination by political leaders who will delay taking any proactive steps as long as possible, and ultimately no discernible movement toward a real marketplace for either insurance or medical services," said Joe Antos and James Capretta of the conservative American Enterprise Institute in a blog published Tuesday in Health Affairs.​

Not focusing on the "AFFORDABLE" in ACA is the fatal flaw.

Unless the COST of health insurance starts DEescalating, it's not just working poor who can't afford it now. O-Care ripped UP the Group plans by which most self-employed working folks were covered. Whether you were a restaurant owner, a veterinarian, a lawyer or an engineer, there were Professional Groups thru which you could pool insurance. O-care made all that illegal. Tossing most self-employed into the pool and RAISING their premiums.

When you subsidize something -- it becomes more expensive. And it's already fraught with potential for abuse. If someone "rich" decides to retire early -- they can STOP working so hard, reduce their income and have OTHER people pay for their healthcare. It's an unintended consequence of "income testing" for subsidies.


No need to rip up the "exchanges". Just back off the coverage mandates. Don't PRICE EVERY policy to include maternity, contraception, full psych benefits, and all the other "ACA requirements" for a plan. Let people choose a la carte. Keep the "pre-existing" clauses. Allow cross state competition. Encourage Med Saving Accounts. Encourage "direct pay" for med services. Don't subsidize the insurance premium, subsidize the DEDUCTIBLES, co-pays, etc. That's the flaw in the O-Care Bronze cheapy plans that will bankrupt working poor people anyways. (and cause premiums to soar)

When patients AND doctors understand the REAL costs of medical services -- prices will come down. They don't right now. The "rack rate" for services is astronomically inflated and is not what the insurance companies pay out. When you stop subsidizing premiums, premiums will come down. There has been no similar "medical inflation" in plastic surgery or veterinary care. And both of those have gotten better and more efficient. Because patients and doctors are both aware of real costs.

Nobody who NEEDS MediCaid should be shoved into an insurance plan. Most dollars of Medicaid costs are gonna come from Government anyways, not from the enrollees. Doing that just HIDES the fact, that the govt is skating on covering MediCaid costs and the POOL is "redistributing" the cost by the ability to pay. It's a hidden redistribution tax to fund MediCaid.

Make medical services compete on cost. Direct to the consumer. Give them an incentive to innovate.

 

[Dot Com]

The repeal should not go into effect until a new plan is ready to be launched.

Even if there is a new plan it will be defended over time...Why don't they go after the high cost of healthcare and medications...Fuckin Crooks

Because they probably own stock in Big Pharma... and LOBBYIST.

I was posting about McConnells connection with the Big Pharma last night...seriously this is just wrong. Why are they getting away with this?

^ that

Thanks for keeping their feet to the fire Eaglewings

 

[Dot Com]

I was posting McConnells connection with the Big Pharma...seriously this is just wrong. Why are they getting away with this?

Been going on for years...McConnell has been in Washington since 1986? Do you think Congressmen are going to give up all their free vacations and stuff and put regulations on prices on drugs? Not going to happen.

We we are watching their every move from now on....Again how do they get away with this right under our noses..

Who's We we?

We the people...get millions to come camp out at the white house

Yeah, go for it. LMAO

you are one of the biggest partisan hacks on the board. What are you like 80? Oldsters, especially on the right like yourself, seem to be good at bloviating but not offering solutions

 

[NYcarbineer]

The GOP has nothing to replace it with. I've even heard they might delay any of the repeal taking effect until after 2020.

 

[Lewdog]

The GOP has nothing to replace it with. I've even heard they might delay any of the repeal taking effect until after 2020.

Yeah I just watched the press conference by the Democrats and Schumer said the same thing I've been saying. Until they have a plan to replace the ACA, the Republicans aren't going to have enough votes to pass the bill to cut all the funding. He even mentioned Rand Paul and his comments like I have. Bernie Sanders put Trump on the spot quoting his campaign promises not to cut Social Security, Medicare, or Medicaid. He said that unless Trump was lying during his campaign, he needs to just come out and tell the Republicans that he will veto anything they do until they have a plan to replace it, so there won't be any wasted time doing that stuff and they can work on the replacement.

 

[NYcarbineer]

What's the difference between a Trump Administration and a Kardashian Administration? I don't know...

Amazingly, the difference is, there's an even bigger ass leading the Trump administration.

 

[Rustic]

Just admit it Obama care is/was a failure… Fact

 

[OKTexas]

Been going on for years...McConnell has been in Washington since 1986? Do you think Congressmen are going to give up all their free vacations and stuff and put regulations on prices on drugs? Not going to happen.

We we are watching their every move from now on....Again how do they get away with this right under our noses..

Who's We we?

We the people...get millions to come camp out at the white house

Yeah, go for it. LMAO

you are one of the biggest partisan hacks on the board. What are you like 80? Oldsters, especially on the right like yourself, seem to be good at bloviating but not offering solutions

Poor baby, I'm making fun of you regressive hand-wringing hacks pissing yourselves over what may come. Your predictive powers have proven themselves severely lacking over the last year, you might best serve yourself by waiting to see what's actually proposed. Millions camped out of the WH lawn, really? LMAO

 

[Claudette]

Repeal and replace with nothing.

I don't know where the idea that we the taxpayer are responsible to pay for those who can't pay for themselves came from.

I'm not interested in paying for anyone's anything.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Does not seem like a good idea....so they remove all the subsidies....what's going to happen to the people who depend on those to get insurance?

Not to mention - if they want to reinvent the wheel and replace it with a new plan, they don't have enough votes with out Democrats joining in.

Republicans Take The First Step To Repeal Obamacare

Republicans have to use a special legislative maneuver, called a budget resolution, to undo the ACA because they don't have enough votes to overcome a Democratic filibuster in the Senate. Budget bills aren't subject to filibuster, so lawmakers will be able to repeal the parts of the law that have budget and tax implications.


That means they can essentially gut the law, removing all the subsidies that help low- and middle-income people buy health insurance and getting rid of the smorgasbord of taxes — on medical devices, insurance companies and wealthy individuals — that pay for those subsidies


Enzi's resolution calls on the Senate to get a bill to the Senate Budget Committee by Jan. 27.


Republican lawmakers say they don't want the 20 million people who have newly gained insurance because of the ACA to lose their coverage. So they plan to phase out Obamacare over time while they devise a replacement plan that they say will make affordable health insurance available to everyone, without the much-hated mandate to buy insurance if you don't want it.


Many analysts are skeptical that this "repeal and delay" strategy will work.


"The most likely end result of 'repeal and delay' would be less secure insurance for many Americans, procrastination by political leaders who will delay taking any proactive steps as long as possible, and ultimately no discernible movement toward a real marketplace for either insurance or medical services," said Joe Antos and James Capretta of the conservative American Enterprise Institute in a blog published Tuesday in Health Affairs.​

There is a standing federal court decision that the subsidies are unconstitutional unless Congress appropriates money specifically for them, and the Obama administration has been acting in violation of the Court's decision by continuing to pay them. The two issues Obamacare was supposed to address were healthcare for people with pre existing conditions and people who were not poor enough to get Medicaid but were too poor to buy private insurance. Both of these issues could have been dealt with in a month with already existing programs and without the huge, unwieldy piece of legislation that the Democrats stuffed with all their social and political programs. The campaign for Obamacare was a political scam, and now it is over.

 

[Eaglewings]

Repeal and replace with nothing.

I don't know where the idea that we the taxpayer are responsible to pay for those who can't pay for themselves came from.

I'm not interested in paying for anyone's anything.

You pay for the bloodsuckers in there self serving high offices. Beautiful Homes, Cars, Boats, Vacations and
with the money they screw you with they build up their own personal saving accounts.

 

[rightwinger]

Does not seem like a good idea....so they remove all the subsidies....what's going to happen to the people who depend on those to get insurance?

Not to mention - if they want to reinvent the wheel and replace it with a new plan, they don't have enough votes with out Democrats joining in.

Republicans Take The First Step To Repeal Obamacare

Republicans have to use a special legislative maneuver, called a budget resolution, to undo the ACA because they don't have enough votes to overcome a Democratic filibuster in the Senate. Budget bills aren't subject to filibuster, so lawmakers will be able to repeal the parts of the law that have budget and tax implications.


That means they can essentially gut the law, removing all the subsidies that help low- and middle-income people buy health insurance and getting rid of the smorgasbord of taxes — on medical devices, insurance companies and wealthy individuals — that pay for those subsidies


Enzi's resolution calls on the Senate to get a bill to the Senate Budget Committee by Jan. 27.


Republican lawmakers say they don't want the 20 million people who have newly gained insurance because of the ACA to lose their coverage. So they plan to phase out Obamacare over time while they devise a replacement plan that they say will make affordable health insurance available to everyone, without the much-hated mandate to buy insurance if you don't want it.


Many analysts are skeptical that this "repeal and delay" strategy will work.


"The most likely end result of 'repeal and delay' would be less secure insurance for many Americans, procrastination by political leaders who will delay taking any proactive steps as long as possible, and ultimately no discernible movement toward a real marketplace for either insurance or medical services," said Joe Antos and James Capretta of the conservative American Enterprise Institute in a blog published Tuesday in Health Affairs.​

Things were a lot easier when Republicans didn't have to actually DO anything

Sitting on the sidelines harping about the Obamacare Trainwreck made for good media

Now they get stuck with the consequences when they try to dismantle it

 

[NYcarbineer]

The GOP has nothing to replace it with. I've even heard they might delay any of the repeal taking effect until after 2020.

Yeah I just watched the press conference by the Democrats and Schumer said the same thing I've been saying. Until they have a plan to replace the ACA, the Republicans aren't going to have enough votes to pass the bill to cut all the funding. He even mentioned Rand Paul and his comments like I have. Bernie Sanders put Trump on the spot quoting his campaign promises not to cut Social Security, Medicare, or Medicaid. He said that unless Trump was lying during his campaign, he needs to just come out and tell the Republicans that he will veto anything they do until they have a plan to replace it, so there won't be any wasted time doing that stuff and they can work on the replacement.

Some of the Republicans in Congress are puckered up because some of their states have tens of thousands of people either getting subsidies making their insurance affordable, or they're on the expanded Medicaid.

 

[rightwinger]

Does not seem like a good idea....so they remove all the subsidies....what's going to happen to the people who depend on those to get insurance?

Not to mention - if they want to reinvent the wheel and replace it with a new plan, they don't have enough votes with out Democrats joining in.

Republicans Take The First Step To Repeal Obamacare

Republicans have to use a special legislative maneuver, called a budget resolution, to undo the ACA because they don't have enough votes to overcome a Democratic filibuster in the Senate. Budget bills aren't subject to filibuster, so lawmakers will be able to repeal the parts of the law that have budget and tax implications.


That means they can essentially gut the law, removing all the subsidies that help low- and middle-income people buy health insurance and getting rid of the smorgasbord of taxes — on medical devices, insurance companies and wealthy individuals — that pay for those subsidies


Enzi's resolution calls on the Senate to get a bill to the Senate Budget Committee by Jan. 27.


Republican lawmakers say they don't want the 20 million people who have newly gained insurance because of the ACA to lose their coverage. So they plan to phase out Obamacare over time while they devise a replacement plan that they say will make affordable health insurance available to everyone, without the much-hated mandate to buy insurance if you don't want it.


Many analysts are skeptical that this "repeal and delay" strategy will work.


"The most likely end result of 'repeal and delay' would be less secure insurance for many Americans, procrastination by political leaders who will delay taking any proactive steps as long as possible, and ultimately no discernible movement toward a real marketplace for either insurance or medical services," said Joe Antos and James Capretta of the conservative American Enterprise Institute in a blog published Tuesday in Health Affairs.​

There is a standing federal court decision that the subsidies are unconstitutional unless Congress appropriates money specifically for them, and the Obama administration has been acting in violation of the Court's decision by continuing to pay them. The two issues Obamacare was supposed to address were healthcare for people with pre existing conditions and people who were not poor enough to get Medicaid but were too poor to buy private insurance. Both of these issues could have been dealt with in a month with already existing programs and without the huge, unwieldy piece of legislation that the Democrats stuffed with all their social and political programs. The campaign for Obamacare was a political scam, and now it is over.

Please explain how pre-existing conditions could have been covered under existing programs

Republicans haven't been able to do it

 

[NYcarbineer]

Does not seem like a good idea....so they remove all the subsidies....what's going to happen to the people who depend on those to get insurance?

Not to mention - if they want to reinvent the wheel and replace it with a new plan, they don't have enough votes with out Democrats joining in.

Republicans Take The First Step To Repeal Obamacare

Republicans have to use a special legislative maneuver, called a budget resolution, to undo the ACA because they don't have enough votes to overcome a Democratic filibuster in the Senate. Budget bills aren't subject to filibuster, so lawmakers will be able to repeal the parts of the law that have budget and tax implications.


That means they can essentially gut the law, removing all the subsidies that help low- and middle-income people buy health insurance and getting rid of the smorgasbord of taxes — on medical devices, insurance companies and wealthy individuals — that pay for those subsidies


Enzi's resolution calls on the Senate to get a bill to the Senate Budget Committee by Jan. 27.


Republican lawmakers say they don't want the 20 million people who have newly gained insurance because of the ACA to lose their coverage. So they plan to phase out Obamacare over time while they devise a replacement plan that they say will make affordable health insurance available to everyone, without the much-hated mandate to buy insurance if you don't want it.


Many analysts are skeptical that this "repeal and delay" strategy will work.


"The most likely end result of 'repeal and delay' would be less secure insurance for many Americans, procrastination by political leaders who will delay taking any proactive steps as long as possible, and ultimately no discernible movement toward a real marketplace for either insurance or medical services," said Joe Antos and James Capretta of the conservative American Enterprise Institute in a blog published Tuesday in Health Affairs.​

Things were a lot easier when Republicans didn't have to actually DO anything

Sitting on the sidelines harping about the Obamacare Trainwreck made for good media

Now they get stuck with the consequences when they try to dismantle it

lol, it was easier for the RW'ers on USMB too, as their ever increasing volume of floundering posts is making clear.

As I said last week it's going to be fun watching the RWnuts around here try to play defense.

 

[Rustic]

Does not seem like a good idea....so they remove all the subsidies....what's going to happen to the people who depend on those to get insurance?

Not to mention - if they want to reinvent the wheel and replace it with a new plan, they don't have enough votes with out Democrats joining in.

Republicans Take The First Step To Repeal Obamacare

Republicans have to use a special legislative maneuver, called a budget resolution, to undo the ACA because they don't have enough votes to overcome a Democratic filibuster in the Senate. Budget bills aren't subject to filibuster, so lawmakers will be able to repeal the parts of the law that have budget and tax implications.


That means they can essentially gut the law, removing all the subsidies that help low- and middle-income people buy health insurance and getting rid of the smorgasbord of taxes — on medical devices, insurance companies and wealthy individuals — that pay for those subsidies


Enzi's resolution calls on the Senate to get a bill to the Senate Budget Committee by Jan. 27.


Republican lawmakers say they don't want the 20 million people who have newly gained insurance because of the ACA to lose their coverage. So they plan to phase out Obamacare over time while they devise a replacement plan that they say will make affordable health insurance available to everyone, without the much-hated mandate to buy insurance if you don't want it.


Many analysts are skeptical that this "repeal and delay" strategy will work.


"The most likely end result of 'repeal and delay' would be less secure insurance for many Americans, procrastination by political leaders who will delay taking any proactive steps as long as possible, and ultimately no discernible movement toward a real marketplace for either insurance or medical services," said Joe Antos and James Capretta of the conservative American Enterprise Institute in a blog published Tuesday in Health Affairs.​

Things were a lot easier when Republicans didn't have to actually DO anything

Sitting on the sidelines harping about the Obamacare Trainwreck made for good media

Now they get stuck with the consequences when they try to dismantle it

lol, it was easier for the RW'ers on USMB too, as their ever increasing volume of floundering posts is making clear.

As I said last week it's going to be fun watching the RWnuts around here try to play defense.

Responsible Americans want no social safety net, it cost too much.
I know it's old fashion at all, why can't people just pay for their own shit and move on with their lives? Progressives have made this country weak... fact

 

[kaz]

Does not seem like a good idea....so they remove all the subsidies....what's going to happen to the people who depend on those to get insurance?

Not to mention - if they want to reinvent the wheel and replace it with a new plan, they don't have enough votes with out Democrats joining in.

Republicans Take The First Step To Repeal Obamacare

Republicans have to use a special legislative maneuver, called a budget resolution, to undo the ACA because they don't have enough votes to overcome a Democratic filibuster in the Senate. Budget bills aren't subject to filibuster, so lawmakers will be able to repeal the parts of the law that have budget and tax implications.


That means they can essentially gut the law, removing all the subsidies that help low- and middle-income people buy health insurance and getting rid of the smorgasbord of taxes — on medical devices, insurance companies and wealthy individuals — that pay for those subsidies


Enzi's resolution calls on the Senate to get a bill to the Senate Budget Committee by Jan. 27.


Republican lawmakers say they don't want the 20 million people who have newly gained insurance because of the ACA to lose their coverage. So they plan to phase out Obamacare over time while they devise a replacement plan that they say will make affordable health insurance available to everyone, without the much-hated mandate to buy insurance if you don't want it.


Many analysts are skeptical that this "repeal and delay" strategy will work.


"The most likely end result of 'repeal and delay' would be less secure insurance for many Americans, procrastination by political leaders who will delay taking any proactive steps as long as possible, and ultimately no discernible movement toward a real marketplace for either insurance or medical services," said Joe Antos and James Capretta of the conservative American Enterprise Institute in a blog published Tuesday in Health Affairs.​

Seriously, liberals are so pathetic. You implemented and delayed, then you have the complete and utter lack of integrity that you would say this? I'm for repealing and ending, not replacing. But how do you look at yourself in a mirror? When you do, can you see yourself?

 

[g5000]

On day one of the Trump Administration, we will ask Congress to immediately deliver a full repeal of Obamacare.

Healthcare Reform

 

[NYcarbineer]

Does not seem like a good idea....so they remove all the subsidies....what's going to happen to the people who depend on those to get insurance?

Not to mention - if they want to reinvent the wheel and replace it with a new plan, they don't have enough votes with out Democrats joining in.

Republicans Take The First Step To Repeal Obamacare

Republicans have to use a special legislative maneuver, called a budget resolution, to undo the ACA because they don't have enough votes to overcome a Democratic filibuster in the Senate. Budget bills aren't subject to filibuster, so lawmakers will be able to repeal the parts of the law that have budget and tax implications.


That means they can essentially gut the law, removing all the subsidies that help low- and middle-income people buy health insurance and getting rid of the smorgasbord of taxes — on medical devices, insurance companies and wealthy individuals — that pay for those subsidies


Enzi's resolution calls on the Senate to get a bill to the Senate Budget Committee by Jan. 27.


Republican lawmakers say they don't want the 20 million people who have newly gained insurance because of the ACA to lose their coverage. So they plan to phase out Obamacare over time while they devise a replacement plan that they say will make affordable health insurance available to everyone, without the much-hated mandate to buy insurance if you don't want it.


Many analysts are skeptical that this "repeal and delay" strategy will work.


"The most likely end result of 'repeal and delay' would be less secure insurance for many Americans, procrastination by political leaders who will delay taking any proactive steps as long as possible, and ultimately no discernible movement toward a real marketplace for either insurance or medical services," said Joe Antos and James Capretta of the conservative American Enterprise Institute in a blog published Tuesday in Health Affairs.​

Things were a lot easier when Republicans didn't have to actually DO anything

Sitting on the sidelines harping about the Obamacare Trainwreck made for good media

Now they get stuck with the consequences when they try to dismantle it

lol, it was easier for the RW'ers on USMB too, as their ever increasing volume of floundering posts is making clear.

As I said last week it's going to be fun watching the RWnuts around here try to play defense.

Responsible Americans want no social safety net, it cost too much.
I know it's old fashion at all, why can't people just pay for their own shit and move on with their lives? Progressives have made this country weak... fact

lol