About Australian gun control....hmmm, it may not be working as advertised...

[2aguy]

Just saw this.....I will link...

Australian-style gun control led to a violent black market, could be exported here if we let it - Hot Air

And the original article from Reason....

Australia’s Gun 'Buyback' Created a Violent Firearms Black Market. Why Should the U.S. Do the Same?

Just days ago, Australia's Peter Dutton, Minister for Immigration and Border Protection, and Michael Keenan, Minister for Justice, held a joint press conference to announce "We don't tolerate gun smuggling in Australia and we know Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs are engaged in it. We have been keen to send the strongest possible message from Canberra that we're not going to tolerate people smuggling in guns or smuggling in gun parts. You'd appreciate that even one smuggled gun can do an enormous amount of damage."

When politicians announce that they don't tolerate something, it's a fair bet that the something is completely out of hand.

"Police admit they cannot eradicate a black market that is peddling illegal guns to criminals," the Adelaide Advertiser conceded a few years ago. "Motorcycle gang members and convicted criminals barred from buying guns in South Australia have no difficulty obtaining illegal firearms - including fully automatic weapons."

More recently, the country's The New Daily gained access to "previously unpublished data for firearms offences" and reported a surge in crime "including a massive 83 per cent increase in firearms offences in NSW between 2005/06 and 2014/15, and an even bigger jump in Victoria over the same period."

"Australians may be more at risk from gun crime than ever before with the country's underground market for firearms ballooning in the past decade," the report added. "[T]he national ban on semi-automatic weapons following the Port Arthur massacre had spawned criminal demand for handguns."

Much as the Mafia and other organized criminal outfits rose to power, wealth, and prominence by supplying illegal liquor during Prohibition in the United States, outlaw motorcycle gangs in Australia appear to be building international connections and making money by supplying guns to willing buyers.

But....but.....they confiscated guns...right?

 

[guno]

gun obsess much?

 

[2aguy]

gun obsess much?

Not so much a gun obsession....as an obsession with freedom and saving lives.....

of course an anti gun twit.....who is actually obsessed with guns....because they have a phobia of them.....would obsess with the object and not the objective......freedom from violence both from criminals and from government.....had you studied human behavior and history you wouldn't be the twit that you are....

 

[TheOldSchool]

Just saw this.....I will link...

Australian-style gun control led to a violent black market, could be exported here if we let it - Hot Air

And the original article from Reason....

Australia’s Gun 'Buyback' Created a Violent Firearms Black Market. Why Should the U.S. Do the Same?

Just days ago, Australia's Peter Dutton, Minister for Immigration and Border Protection, and Michael Keenan, Minister for Justice, held a joint press conference to announce "We don't tolerate gun smuggling in Australia and we know Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs are engaged in it. We have been keen to send the strongest possible message from Canberra that we're not going to tolerate people smuggling in guns or smuggling in gun parts. You'd appreciate that even one smuggled gun can do an enormous amount of damage."

When politicians announce that they don't tolerate something, it's a fair bet that the something is completely out of hand.

"Police admit they cannot eradicate a black market that is peddling illegal guns to criminals," the Adelaide Advertiser conceded a few years ago. "Motorcycle gang members and convicted criminals barred from buying guns in South Australia have no difficulty obtaining illegal firearms - including fully automatic weapons."

More recently, the country's The New Daily gained access to "previously unpublished data for firearms offences" and reported a surge in crime "including a massive 83 per cent increase in firearms offences in NSW between 2005/06 and 2014/15, and an even bigger jump in Victoria over the same period."

"Australians may be more at risk from gun crime than ever before with the country's underground market for firearms ballooning in the past decade," the report added. "[T]he national ban on semi-automatic weapons following the Port Arthur massacre had spawned criminal demand for handguns."

Much as the Mafia and other organized criminal outfits rose to power, wealth, and prominence by supplying illegal liquor during Prohibition in the United States, outlaw motorcycle gangs in Australia appear to be building international connections and making money by supplying guns to willing buyers.

But....but.....they confiscated guns...right?

Are you saying the U.S. doesn't have a violent firearms black market?

 

[2aguy]

Just saw this.....I will link...

Australian-style gun control led to a violent black market, could be exported here if we let it - Hot Air

And the original article from Reason....

Australia’s Gun 'Buyback' Created a Violent Firearms Black Market. Why Should the U.S. Do the Same?

Just days ago, Australia's Peter Dutton, Minister for Immigration and Border Protection, and Michael Keenan, Minister for Justice, held a joint press conference to announce "We don't tolerate gun smuggling in Australia and we know Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs are engaged in it. We have been keen to send the strongest possible message from Canberra that we're not going to tolerate people smuggling in guns or smuggling in gun parts. You'd appreciate that even one smuggled gun can do an enormous amount of damage."

When politicians announce that they don't tolerate something, it's a fair bet that the something is completely out of hand.

"Police admit they cannot eradicate a black market that is peddling illegal guns to criminals," the Adelaide Advertiser conceded a few years ago. "Motorcycle gang members and convicted criminals barred from buying guns in South Australia have no difficulty obtaining illegal firearms - including fully automatic weapons."

More recently, the country's The New Daily gained access to "previously unpublished data for firearms offences" and reported a surge in crime "including a massive 83 per cent increase in firearms offences in NSW between 2005/06 and 2014/15, and an even bigger jump in Victoria over the same period."

"Australians may be more at risk from gun crime than ever before with the country's underground market for firearms ballooning in the past decade," the report added. "[T]he national ban on semi-automatic weapons following the Port Arthur massacre had spawned criminal demand for handguns."

Much as the Mafia and other organized criminal outfits rose to power, wealth, and prominence by supplying illegal liquor during Prohibition in the United States, outlaw motorcycle gangs in Australia appear to be building international connections and making money by supplying guns to willing buyers.

But....but.....they confiscated guns...right?

Are you saying the U.S. doesn't have a violent firearms black market?

Did I say that anywhere?...no........but, twit.....Australia confiscated their guns....and their gun crime rate is going up, not down.....

 

[Rustic]

More guns = more freedom

 

[TheOldSchool]

Just saw this.....I will link...

Australian-style gun control led to a violent black market, could be exported here if we let it - Hot Air

And the original article from Reason....

Australia’s Gun 'Buyback' Created a Violent Firearms Black Market. Why Should the U.S. Do the Same?

Just days ago, Australia's Peter Dutton, Minister for Immigration and Border Protection, and Michael Keenan, Minister for Justice, held a joint press conference to announce "We don't tolerate gun smuggling in Australia and we know Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs are engaged in it. We have been keen to send the strongest possible message from Canberra that we're not going to tolerate people smuggling in guns or smuggling in gun parts. You'd appreciate that even one smuggled gun can do an enormous amount of damage."

When politicians announce that they don't tolerate something, it's a fair bet that the something is completely out of hand.

"Police admit they cannot eradicate a black market that is peddling illegal guns to criminals," the Adelaide Advertiser conceded a few years ago. "Motorcycle gang members and convicted criminals barred from buying guns in South Australia have no difficulty obtaining illegal firearms - including fully automatic weapons."

More recently, the country's The New Daily gained access to "previously unpublished data for firearms offences" and reported a surge in crime "including a massive 83 per cent increase in firearms offences in NSW between 2005/06 and 2014/15, and an even bigger jump in Victoria over the same period."

"Australians may be more at risk from gun crime than ever before with the country's underground market for firearms ballooning in the past decade," the report added. "[T]he national ban on semi-automatic weapons following the Port Arthur massacre had spawned criminal demand for handguns."

Much as the Mafia and other organized criminal outfits rose to power, wealth, and prominence by supplying illegal liquor during Prohibition in the United States, outlaw motorcycle gangs in Australia appear to be building international connections and making money by supplying guns to willing buyers.

But....but.....they confiscated guns...right?

Are you saying the U.S. doesn't have a violent firearms black market?

Did I say that anywhere?...no........but, twit.....Australia confiscated their guns....and their gun crime rate is going up, not down.....

Gun ownership is also going up in Australia

Coincidence?

 

[Steven_R]

Just saw this.....I will link...

Australian-style gun control led to a violent black market, could be exported here if we let it - Hot Air

And the original article from Reason....

Australia’s Gun 'Buyback' Created a Violent Firearms Black Market. Why Should the U.S. Do the Same?

Just days ago, Australia's Peter Dutton, Minister for Immigration and Border Protection, and Michael Keenan, Minister for Justice, held a joint press conference to announce "We don't tolerate gun smuggling in Australia and we know Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs are engaged in it. We have been keen to send the strongest possible message from Canberra that we're not going to tolerate people smuggling in guns or smuggling in gun parts. You'd appreciate that even one smuggled gun can do an enormous amount of damage."

When politicians announce that they don't tolerate something, it's a fair bet that the something is completely out of hand.

"Police admit they cannot eradicate a black market that is peddling illegal guns to criminals," the Adelaide Advertiser conceded a few years ago. "Motorcycle gang members and convicted criminals barred from buying guns in South Australia have no difficulty obtaining illegal firearms - including fully automatic weapons."

More recently, the country's The New Daily gained access to "previously unpublished data for firearms offences" and reported a surge in crime "including a massive 83 per cent increase in firearms offences in NSW between 2005/06 and 2014/15, and an even bigger jump in Victoria over the same period."

"Australians may be more at risk from gun crime than ever before with the country's underground market for firearms ballooning in the past decade," the report added. "[T]he national ban on semi-automatic weapons following the Port Arthur massacre had spawned criminal demand for handguns."

Much as the Mafia and other organized criminal outfits rose to power, wealth, and prominence by supplying illegal liquor during Prohibition in the United States, outlaw motorcycle gangs in Australia appear to be building international connections and making money by supplying guns to willing buyers.

But....but.....they confiscated guns...right?

Are you saying the U.S. doesn't have a violent firearms black market?

Remember when the ATF ran their own firearms black market and got a couple hundred Mexicans killed in the process?

Good times.

 

[TheOldSchool]

Just saw this.....I will link...

Australian-style gun control led to a violent black market, could be exported here if we let it - Hot Air

And the original article from Reason....

Australia’s Gun 'Buyback' Created a Violent Firearms Black Market. Why Should the U.S. Do the Same?

Just days ago, Australia's Peter Dutton, Minister for Immigration and Border Protection, and Michael Keenan, Minister for Justice, held a joint press conference to announce "We don't tolerate gun smuggling in Australia and we know Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs are engaged in it. We have been keen to send the strongest possible message from Canberra that we're not going to tolerate people smuggling in guns or smuggling in gun parts. You'd appreciate that even one smuggled gun can do an enormous amount of damage."

When politicians announce that they don't tolerate something, it's a fair bet that the something is completely out of hand.

"Police admit they cannot eradicate a black market that is peddling illegal guns to criminals," the Adelaide Advertiser conceded a few years ago. "Motorcycle gang members and convicted criminals barred from buying guns in South Australia have no difficulty obtaining illegal firearms - including fully automatic weapons."

More recently, the country's The New Daily gained access to "previously unpublished data for firearms offences" and reported a surge in crime "including a massive 83 per cent increase in firearms offences in NSW between 2005/06 and 2014/15, and an even bigger jump in Victoria over the same period."

"Australians may be more at risk from gun crime than ever before with the country's underground market for firearms ballooning in the past decade," the report added. "[T]he national ban on semi-automatic weapons following the Port Arthur massacre had spawned criminal demand for handguns."

Much as the Mafia and other organized criminal outfits rose to power, wealth, and prominence by supplying illegal liquor during Prohibition in the United States, outlaw motorcycle gangs in Australia appear to be building international connections and making money by supplying guns to willing buyers.

But....but.....they confiscated guns...right?

Are you saying the U.S. doesn't have a violent firearms black market?

Remember when the ATF ran their own firearms black market and got a couple hundred Mexicans killed in the process?

Good times.

Yup harkens back to the Reagan years. Man it's nice to reminisce.

 

[2aguy]

Just saw this.....I will link...

Australian-style gun control led to a violent black market, could be exported here if we let it - Hot Air

And the original article from Reason....

Australia’s Gun 'Buyback' Created a Violent Firearms Black Market. Why Should the U.S. Do the Same?

Just days ago, Australia's Peter Dutton, Minister for Immigration and Border Protection, and Michael Keenan, Minister for Justice, held a joint press conference to announce "We don't tolerate gun smuggling in Australia and we know Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs are engaged in it. We have been keen to send the strongest possible message from Canberra that we're not going to tolerate people smuggling in guns or smuggling in gun parts. You'd appreciate that even one smuggled gun can do an enormous amount of damage."

When politicians announce that they don't tolerate something, it's a fair bet that the something is completely out of hand.

"Police admit they cannot eradicate a black market that is peddling illegal guns to criminals," the Adelaide Advertiser conceded a few years ago. "Motorcycle gang members and convicted criminals barred from buying guns in South Australia have no difficulty obtaining illegal firearms - including fully automatic weapons."

More recently, the country's The New Daily gained access to "previously unpublished data for firearms offences" and reported a surge in crime "including a massive 83 per cent increase in firearms offences in NSW between 2005/06 and 2014/15, and an even bigger jump in Victoria over the same period."

"Australians may be more at risk from gun crime than ever before with the country's underground market for firearms ballooning in the past decade," the report added. "[T]he national ban on semi-automatic weapons following the Port Arthur massacre had spawned criminal demand for handguns."

Much as the Mafia and other organized criminal outfits rose to power, wealth, and prominence by supplying illegal liquor during Prohibition in the United States, outlaw motorcycle gangs in Australia appear to be building international connections and making money by supplying guns to willing buyers.

But....but.....they confiscated guns...right?

Are you saying the U.S. doesn't have a violent firearms black market?

Did I say that anywhere?...no........but, twit.....Australia confiscated their guns....and their gun crime rate is going up, not down.....

Gun ownership is also going up in Australia

Coincidence?

No....because in the United States as more Americans have bought and actually carried guns...our gun murder rate, our gun crime rate our violent crime rate went down......

How do you explain that....? Still waiting from all the other times our side has asked that question....

And how can gun ownership in Australia be going up...? They confiscated guns....right? they outlawed ownership...right?

 

[2aguy]

Just saw this.....I will link...

Australian-style gun control led to a violent black market, could be exported here if we let it - Hot Air

And the original article from Reason....

Australia’s Gun 'Buyback' Created a Violent Firearms Black Market. Why Should the U.S. Do the Same?

Just days ago, Australia's Peter Dutton, Minister for Immigration and Border Protection, and Michael Keenan, Minister for Justice, held a joint press conference to announce "We don't tolerate gun smuggling in Australia and we know Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs are engaged in it. We have been keen to send the strongest possible message from Canberra that we're not going to tolerate people smuggling in guns or smuggling in gun parts. You'd appreciate that even one smuggled gun can do an enormous amount of damage."

When politicians announce that they don't tolerate something, it's a fair bet that the something is completely out of hand.

"Police admit they cannot eradicate a black market that is peddling illegal guns to criminals," the Adelaide Advertiser conceded a few years ago. "Motorcycle gang members and convicted criminals barred from buying guns in South Australia have no difficulty obtaining illegal firearms - including fully automatic weapons."

More recently, the country's The New Daily gained access to "previously unpublished data for firearms offences" and reported a surge in crime "including a massive 83 per cent increase in firearms offences in NSW between 2005/06 and 2014/15, and an even bigger jump in Victoria over the same period."

"Australians may be more at risk from gun crime than ever before with the country's underground market for firearms ballooning in the past decade," the report added. "[T]he national ban on semi-automatic weapons following the Port Arthur massacre had spawned criminal demand for handguns."

Much as the Mafia and other organized criminal outfits rose to power, wealth, and prominence by supplying illegal liquor during Prohibition in the United States, outlaw motorcycle gangs in Australia appear to be building international connections and making money by supplying guns to willing buyers.

But....but.....they confiscated guns...right?

Are you saying the U.S. doesn't have a violent firearms black market?

Did I say that anywhere?...no........but, twit.....Australia confiscated their guns....and their gun crime rate is going up, not down.....

Gun ownership is also going up in Australia

Coincidence?

From the article...

By contrast, without Australia's confiscation policy, the United States has seen its murder (including nonnegligent manslaughter) rate drop from 9.3 homicides per 100,000 U.S. residents in 1992 to 4.7 in 2011 and decline further, to 4.5 per 100,000 in 2014, the last year for which full data is available. During this time, the number of firearms in civilian hands increased by roughly 50 percent, to an estimated 300 million.

If Australia's gun policy has coincided with a continuing "modest decline" in its homicide rate, it has had more dramatic results elsewhere. The confiscation drove many of the country's peaceful gun owners underground. It also—and this is important if America's Prohibition-era experience is any guide—empowered a growing organized crime network that is enriched by the trade in guns, drugs, and other goods that people desire and that governments vainly tries to keep out of their hands.

That crime network has developed international contacts, and grown wealthy and dangerous. Investigative journalists suggest the organized black market in firearms is fueling a surge in crime that has yet to appear in statistics.

 

[2aguy]

Just saw this.....I will link...

Australian-style gun control led to a violent black market, could be exported here if we let it - Hot Air

And the original article from Reason....

Australia’s Gun 'Buyback' Created a Violent Firearms Black Market. Why Should the U.S. Do the Same?

Just days ago, Australia's Peter Dutton, Minister for Immigration and Border Protection, and Michael Keenan, Minister for Justice, held a joint press conference to announce "We don't tolerate gun smuggling in Australia and we know Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs are engaged in it. We have been keen to send the strongest possible message from Canberra that we're not going to tolerate people smuggling in guns or smuggling in gun parts. You'd appreciate that even one smuggled gun can do an enormous amount of damage."

When politicians announce that they don't tolerate something, it's a fair bet that the something is completely out of hand.

"Police admit they cannot eradicate a black market that is peddling illegal guns to criminals," the Adelaide Advertiser conceded a few years ago. "Motorcycle gang members and convicted criminals barred from buying guns in South Australia have no difficulty obtaining illegal firearms - including fully automatic weapons."

More recently, the country's The New Daily gained access to "previously unpublished data for firearms offences" and reported a surge in crime "including a massive 83 per cent increase in firearms offences in NSW between 2005/06 and 2014/15, and an even bigger jump in Victoria over the same period."

"Australians may be more at risk from gun crime than ever before with the country's underground market for firearms ballooning in the past decade," the report added. "[T]he national ban on semi-automatic weapons following the Port Arthur massacre had spawned criminal demand for handguns."

Much as the Mafia and other organized criminal outfits rose to power, wealth, and prominence by supplying illegal liquor during Prohibition in the United States, outlaw motorcycle gangs in Australia appear to be building international connections and making money by supplying guns to willing buyers.

But....but.....they confiscated guns...right?

Are you saying the U.S. doesn't have a violent firearms black market?

Remember when the ATF ran their own firearms black market and got a couple hundred Mexicans killed in the process?

Good times.

Yup harkens back to the Reagan years. Man it's nice to reminisce.

Do you think before you post........it wasn't Reagan.....it was obama.......he forced law abiding gun store owners to break the law in order to supply violent drug cartels with weapons.....

 

[Geaux4it]

Just saw this.....I will link...

Australian-style gun control led to a violent black market, could be exported here if we let it - Hot Air

And the original article from Reason....

Australia’s Gun 'Buyback' Created a Violent Firearms Black Market. Why Should the U.S. Do the Same?

Just days ago, Australia's Peter Dutton, Minister for Immigration and Border Protection, and Michael Keenan, Minister for Justice, held a joint press conference to announce "We don't tolerate gun smuggling in Australia and we know Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs are engaged in it. We have been keen to send the strongest possible message from Canberra that we're not going to tolerate people smuggling in guns or smuggling in gun parts. You'd appreciate that even one smuggled gun can do an enormous amount of damage."

When politicians announce that they don't tolerate something, it's a fair bet that the something is completely out of hand.

"Police admit they cannot eradicate a black market that is peddling illegal guns to criminals," the Adelaide Advertiser conceded a few years ago. "Motorcycle gang members and convicted criminals barred from buying guns in South Australia have no difficulty obtaining illegal firearms - including fully automatic weapons."

More recently, the country's The New Daily gained access to "previously unpublished data for firearms offences" and reported a surge in crime "including a massive 83 per cent increase in firearms offences in NSW between 2005/06 and 2014/15, and an even bigger jump in Victoria over the same period."

"Australians may be more at risk from gun crime than ever before with the country's underground market for firearms ballooning in the past decade," the report added. "[T]he national ban on semi-automatic weapons following the Port Arthur massacre had spawned criminal demand for handguns."

Much as the Mafia and other organized criminal outfits rose to power, wealth, and prominence by supplying illegal liquor during Prohibition in the United States, outlaw motorcycle gangs in Australia appear to be building international connections and making money by supplying guns to willing buyers.

But....but.....they confiscated guns...right?

Are you saying the U.S. doesn't have a violent firearms black market?

Not in a culture which has been disarmed. Then no

-Geaux

 

[skookerasbil]

More guns = more freedom

more guns = less crimes

The research says its not even debatable!! Unless you think Harvard University is full of shit!!

Harvard study concludes that gun control does not prevent murders, other violent crime


In the US today though, gun grabbing has never been so unpopular so these threads have become ghey. The elections are coming.......nobody is talking about it. We have about 5 gun grabber k000ks on this board. Nobody else gives a wit. Every single polls says the people want their guns..........overwhelmingly. ( can post polls by request ). And on the voter concerns list from Gallup, Pew et. al..........gun control is at the BOTTOM of every list.........right below global warming ( can post up those polls too by request ).


Progressive gun grabbers don't mind being fringe because they have lingered amongst fringe their whole lives since grade school!!!

 

[skookerasbil]

The future of home security from AR machine guns to drone cops


lol......progressive limpwristers will still be insisting on wiffle ball bat home defense.


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[TheOldSchool]

Just saw this.....I will link...

Australian-style gun control led to a violent black market, could be exported here if we let it - Hot Air

And the original article from Reason....

Australia’s Gun 'Buyback' Created a Violent Firearms Black Market. Why Should the U.S. Do the Same?

Just days ago, Australia's Peter Dutton, Minister for Immigration and Border Protection, and Michael Keenan, Minister for Justice, held a joint press conference to announce "We don't tolerate gun smuggling in Australia and we know Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs are engaged in it. We have been keen to send the strongest possible message from Canberra that we're not going to tolerate people smuggling in guns or smuggling in gun parts. You'd appreciate that even one smuggled gun can do an enormous amount of damage."

When politicians announce that they don't tolerate something, it's a fair bet that the something is completely out of hand.

"Police admit they cannot eradicate a black market that is peddling illegal guns to criminals," the Adelaide Advertiser conceded a few years ago. "Motorcycle gang members and convicted criminals barred from buying guns in South Australia have no difficulty obtaining illegal firearms - including fully automatic weapons."

More recently, the country's The New Daily gained access to "previously unpublished data for firearms offences" and reported a surge in crime "including a massive 83 per cent increase in firearms offences in NSW between 2005/06 and 2014/15, and an even bigger jump in Victoria over the same period."

"Australians may be more at risk from gun crime than ever before with the country's underground market for firearms ballooning in the past decade," the report added. "[T]he national ban on semi-automatic weapons following the Port Arthur massacre had spawned criminal demand for handguns."

Much as the Mafia and other organized criminal outfits rose to power, wealth, and prominence by supplying illegal liquor during Prohibition in the United States, outlaw motorcycle gangs in Australia appear to be building international connections and making money by supplying guns to willing buyers.

But....but.....they confiscated guns...right?

Are you saying the U.S. doesn't have a violent firearms black market?

Did I say that anywhere?...no........but, twit.....Australia confiscated their guns....and their gun crime rate is going up, not down.....

Gun ownership is also going up in Australia

Coincidence?

No....because in the United States as more Americans have bought and actually carried guns...our gun murder rate, our gun crime rate our violent crime rate went down......

How do you explain that....? Still waiting from all the other times our side has asked that question....

And how can gun ownership in Australia be going up...? They confiscated guns....right? they outlawed ownership...right?

What's our gun crime rate and homicide rate compared to Australia's again?

 

[2aguy]

Just saw this.....I will link...

Australian-style gun control led to a violent black market, could be exported here if we let it - Hot Air

And the original article from Reason....

Australia’s Gun 'Buyback' Created a Violent Firearms Black Market. Why Should the U.S. Do the Same?

Just days ago, Australia's Peter Dutton, Minister for Immigration and Border Protection, and Michael Keenan, Minister for Justice, held a joint press conference to announce "We don't tolerate gun smuggling in Australia and we know Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs are engaged in it. We have been keen to send the strongest possible message from Canberra that we're not going to tolerate people smuggling in guns or smuggling in gun parts. You'd appreciate that even one smuggled gun can do an enormous amount of damage."

When politicians announce that they don't tolerate something, it's a fair bet that the something is completely out of hand.

"Police admit they cannot eradicate a black market that is peddling illegal guns to criminals," the Adelaide Advertiser conceded a few years ago. "Motorcycle gang members and convicted criminals barred from buying guns in South Australia have no difficulty obtaining illegal firearms - including fully automatic weapons."

More recently, the country's The New Daily gained access to "previously unpublished data for firearms offences" and reported a surge in crime "including a massive 83 per cent increase in firearms offences in NSW between 2005/06 and 2014/15, and an even bigger jump in Victoria over the same period."

"Australians may be more at risk from gun crime than ever before with the country's underground market for firearms ballooning in the past decade," the report added. "[T]he national ban on semi-automatic weapons following the Port Arthur massacre had spawned criminal demand for handguns."

Much as the Mafia and other organized criminal outfits rose to power, wealth, and prominence by supplying illegal liquor during Prohibition in the United States, outlaw motorcycle gangs in Australia appear to be building international connections and making money by supplying guns to willing buyers.

But....but.....they confiscated guns...right?

Are you saying the U.S. doesn't have a violent firearms black market?

Did I say that anywhere?...no........but, twit.....Australia confiscated their guns....and their gun crime rate is going up, not down.....

Gun ownership is also going up in Australia

Coincidence?

No....because in the United States as more Americans have bought and actually carried guns...our gun murder rate, our gun crime rate our violent crime rate went down......

How do you explain that....? Still waiting from all the other times our side has asked that question....

And how can gun ownership in Australia be going up...? They confiscated guns....right? they outlawed ownership...right?

What's our gun crime rate and homicide rate compared to Australia's again?

And what is the difference between their criminal culture and our criminal culture? The actual question that needs to be answered.........why do their criminals...who have guns, not use them to commit murder, unlike our criminals?

 

[TheOldSchool]

Are you saying the U.S. doesn't have a violent firearms black market?

Did I say that anywhere?...no........but, twit.....Australia confiscated their guns....and their gun crime rate is going up, not down.....

Gun ownership is also going up in Australia

Coincidence?

No....because in the United States as more Americans have bought and actually carried guns...our gun murder rate, our gun crime rate our violent crime rate went down......

How do you explain that....? Still waiting from all the other times our side has asked that question....

And how can gun ownership in Australia be going up...? They confiscated guns....right? they outlawed ownership...right?

What's our gun crime rate and homicide rate compared to Australia's again?

And what is the difference between their criminal culture and our criminal culture? The actual question that needs to be answered.........why do their criminals...who have guns, not use them to commit murder, unlike our criminals?

Please stop speculating about "criminal culture;" something that's impossible for you to quantify, and tell me those numbers I asked your for.

Australian criminals are "nice." Good grief.

 

[2aguy]

Did I say that anywhere?...no........but, twit.....Australia confiscated their guns....and their gun crime rate is going up, not down.....

Gun ownership is also going up in Australia

Coincidence?

No....because in the United States as more Americans have bought and actually carried guns...our gun murder rate, our gun crime rate our violent crime rate went down......

How do you explain that....? Still waiting from all the other times our side has asked that question....

And how can gun ownership in Australia be going up...? They confiscated guns....right? they outlawed ownership...right?

What's our gun crime rate and homicide rate compared to Australia's again?

And what is the difference between their criminal culture and our criminal culture? The actual question that needs to be answered.........why do their criminals...who have guns, not use them to commit murder, unlike our criminals?

Please stop speculating about "criminal culture;" something that's impossible for you to quantify, and tell me those numbers I asked your for.

Australian criminals are "nice." Good grief.

Did I say they were nice? No twit....I said they can be extremely violent bikie gang members.....they just don't murder each other or their victims as often as inner city American criminals do.....there is a vast cultural difference that accounts for the difference in gun murder and violent crime rates. We have high gun murder rates in isolated places in the United States...according to you it should be the same throughout the country since gun ownership is high all across the country...but that isn't true, is it? No....our gun murder rate is highest in tiny areas, in our inner cities concentrated in segments of our minority communities...where generations of young males have been raised with no adult male role models...who think murder is what you do when someone disrespects you on facebook.....

That is the difference....

 

[Rustic]

Did I say that anywhere?...no........but, twit.....Australia confiscated their guns....and their gun crime rate is going up, not down.....

Gun ownership is also going up in Australia

Coincidence?

No....because in the United States as more Americans have bought and actually carried guns...our gun murder rate, our gun crime rate our violent crime rate went down......

How do you explain that....? Still waiting from all the other times our side has asked that question....

And how can gun ownership in Australia be going up...? They confiscated guns....right? they outlawed ownership...right?

What's our gun crime rate and homicide rate compared to Australia's again?

And what is the difference between their criminal culture and our criminal culture? The actual question that needs to be answered.........why do their criminals...who have guns, not use them to commit murder, unlike our criminals?

Please stop speculating about "criminal culture;" something that's impossible for you to quantify, and tell me those numbers I asked your for.

Australian criminals are "nice." Good grief.

Buy more guns and ammo... The best crime prevention on the plant.