Zone1 Abortion is murder and I can't find any way to show otherwise.

[TemplarKormac]

Tell that to a cow.

We still acknowledge that it is a calf is in development. But a human fetus is just a clump of cell and DNA.

That's wicked.

 

[peacefan]

peacefan

What do you think the unborn are if not human?

clumps of human-DNA in biological cell form.
no brain, no heartbeat.

and once again, WHO IS GOING TO PAY FOR THE CHILD'S UPBRINGING?

 

[forkup]

We still acknowledge that it is a calf is in development. But a human fetus is just a clump of cell and DNA.

That's wicked.

What's your point? First of, you, me, a calf, a cow , a human fetus, are all a clump of cells and DNA. Some of these examples though have more rights then others.

The clump of cells and DNA that forms a cow does not have any special right to live to most people, because we will eat them. That's why I responded to your contention that animals are treated better than human fetuses.


That's how I look at the discussion. I don't care if you consider a fetus, a human, a person, or a clump of cells and DNA. To me the argument is that that fetus doesn't have the same rights as the person bearing that fetus, it has less. And I further content that the pro-life argument comes down to giving that fetus MORE rights than that woman. Not just that, but more rights than you would award it after it's birth.

 

[JoeB131]

Yikes, when you know what that will eventually develop into, you can't with a straight face say it's a "clump of bio cells and DNA."

Funny though, we don't treat animals that way.

We slaughter and eat animals, Twinkie... where do you think that hamburger you drip on the couch comes from?

The fact is, most fertilized zygotes never become people. 2/3rds of fertilized Zygotes never attach to the uterine wall. Of the 1/3rd that do, half of them end in miscarriage or abortion.

 

[JoeB131]

We still acknowledge that it is a calf is in development. But a human fetus is just a clump of cell and DNA.

That's wicked.

Well, no, wicked is chaining a calf down to make veal... but I love me some veal parmigiana.

Fetuses aren't people, and we shouldn't give them more rights than the actual people they are inside.

 

[Mac-7]

clumps of human-DNA in biological cell form.
no brain, no heartbeat.

and once again, WHO IS GOING TO PAY FOR THE CHILD'S UPBRINGING?

Well, thats modern libetalism in a nutshell

Men dont want to pay child support

And the party girls wanna be free to party

 

[Zincwarrior]

Your attempt to compare a unique human being,

Its unique, yet you advocate no medical, educational, or welfare aid for the mother or this unique life. The hypocrisy is maddening.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

clumps of human-DNA in biological cell form.
no brain, no heartbeat.

and once again, WHO IS GOING TO PAY FOR THE CHILD'S UPBRINGING?

You are aware that there are safe haven laws in every state. Women can turn babies in and never have to pay a dime for upbringing. Men, of course, never pay unless identified and forced.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Its unique, yet you advocate no medical, educational, or welfare aid for the mother or this unique life. The hypocrisy is maddening.

Yet, all these things are readily available.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Well, no, wicked is chaining a calf down to make veal... but I love me some veal parmigiana.

Fetuses aren't people, and we shouldn't give them more rights than the actual people they are inside.

The sane conclusion is, fetuses are recognized as developing human beings and its okay to kill them. Why is this small truth so objectionable. If you say it's okay to kill them because they have no rights, then slaughter away. But their humanity cannot be denied.

An unborn cow has no rights because a cow has no rights. No one ever suggests that the unborn calf isn't a bovine. Of course it is. Anything else is just silliness.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Yet, all these things are readily available.

Yet Republicans try to vote them down continually.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Yet Republicans try to vote them down continually.

Because the responsibility for children belongs to parents. If parents are unable or unwilling to do that give them up. What happens to children who lose their parents? Mom and dad are killed. Mom and dad are drug addicts. Are the children killed? Why not?

You are tying financial responsibility to the existence of humanity. If you want to end the lives of these humans, obviously you can. But denying them their humanity is just feel good fiction.

 

[0311]

If you are so fucking "Pro-Life" why don't you support Common Sense Gun Control. The number one killer of children to is gun violence. You care so fucking much about that baby then support Free School Programs for children who cannot otherwise afford a hot in school. Fucking HYPOCRITE!!!

The number killer of school age children is gun violence. You care so fucking about that baby then support Free Hot Lunch Programs for children who otherwise cannot afford a hot meal,, quite possibility their ONLY HOT MEAL OF THE DAY! Fucking HYPOCRITE!!!

 

[Zincwarrior]

Because the responsibility for children belongs to parents. If parents are unable or unwilling to do that give them up.

And what about during the pregnancy?
Giving up a child may seem easy to you, but dooming them to foster care is, well a doom itself.

You're also ignoring the ones being born with birth defects. The parents may be wanting children, but have discovered via testing this is coming. Your government control dooms them.

The number killer of school age children is gun violence. You care so fucking about that baby then support Free Hot Lunch Programs for children who otherwise cannot afford a hot meal,, quite possibility their ONLY HOT MEAL OF THE DAY! Fucking HYPOCRITE!!!

That is the thing. Life is sacred enough to reach in and control the bodies of half the population, but the above is a step too far?

 

[0311]

And what about during the pregnancy?
Giving up a child may seem easy to you, but dooming them to foster care is, well a doom itself.

You're also ignoring the ones being born with birth defects. The parents may be wanting children, but have discovered via testing this is coming. Your government control dooms them.


That is the thing. Life is sacred enough to reach in and control the bodies of half the population, but the above is a step too far?

Save fetus, kill the student in school. Free School Hot Lunches, starve the student. So very fucking pro-life...NOT!!!

 

[EvilCat Breath]

And what about during the pregnancy?
Giving up a child may seem easy to you, but dooming them to foster care is, well a doom itself.

You're also ignoring the ones being born with birth defects. The parents may be wanting children, but have discovered via testing this is coming. Your government control dooms them.


That is the thing. Life is sacred enough to reach in and control the bodies of half the population, but the above is a step too far?

It doesn't matter! Why can't you just understand. It doesn't matter. Kill an unborn person with birth defects. Stop women from experiencing pregnancy AT ALL. Nothing you can imagine that justifies killing unborn babies does not change them from human beings into something else. If you want to kill unborn humans, by all means KILL THEM. Kill them if they are black. No one wants them anyway. Kill them because they have Down's and aren't pretty enough. Kill them if one leg will be shorter than the other. And, if there is some defect missed and the child is accidentally born, kill them then.

Nothing makes them from human into something else.

There are three puddles of biological tissue. They are the results of a bovine pregnancy, a feline pregnancy and a human pregnancy. Scientists could easily determine which is from a cow, which is from a cat but when it gets to the third! Scientists would be totally baffled. Never saw that before. No way to tell what species it is. IT IS HUMAN. If you want the unborn to be a different species invent one. It's ending the life of a human being. You either support that, live with it, honestly accept it, or not.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

The number killer of school age children is gun violence. You care so fucking about that baby then support Free Hot Lunch Programs for children who otherwise cannot afford a hot meal,, quite possibility their ONLY HOT MEAL OF THE DAY! Fucking HYPOCRITE!!!

If gun violence is the number one killer of school age children, why don't you oppose the gangs that create the violence. Why do you continually want to bring gangs here from all over the world who not only kill children, but train child soldiers to kill other children.

If you support FREE HOT LUNCH PROGRAMS, then certainly you must OPPOSE giving money to wastrel parents who spend the food money on drugs. Feed the children. Stop paying parents. There you go. Win win.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Save fetus, kill the student in school. Free School Hot Lunches, starve the student. So very fucking pro-life...NOT!!!

Well, you have to admit, to the pro abortion crowd that makes a lot of sense. If a child can be killed in utero because it will be born into poverty, it surely makes sense to kill all the children in poverty. Just think of the suffering you will avoid. What is the difference? There is no difference to an unborn child conceived by poor parents or a child born to poor parents. In most cases, it's a few days, a few hours difference.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

The unborn are human from conception

The are certainly human from the moment of conception. However, they are not viable until implantation since a zygote that has not implanted will not survive to be anything.

 

[ChemEngineer]

And you are just another person who judges people you don't even know.

Dear Genius,

What is your opinion of "people you don't know" who:
1. Broke into homes of Israeli citizens living in Gaza and butchered them, including small babies?
2. Men who commit serial rapes of little girls and boys?
3. Mass murderers with guns, knives and ropes?
4. All the homosexual Boy Scout leaders who molested over 80,000 innocent Boy Scouts, and drove the Boy Scouts of America into bankruptcy?


What is your opinion Joe Biden and his handlers who let 10,000,000 illegals into America where they now suck our welfare system and take advantage of saps like you?

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