Zone1 Abortion Debate: Come Clean and without fallacy

[JoeB131]

The one area where we are less moral than Iran.

Oh, let's get real. The only reason you don't like Iran is that they worship the wrong Sky Pixie.

Other than that, you'd probably find their system admirable.

The issue has been settled no? President Trump got rid of Roe. Great on him. Done.

More like he's created a bigger mess, as the corrupt state legistlators no one pays attention to are left with idle hands.

 

[dblack]

My position on abortion is that laws attempting to ban it are based on the mistaken premise that government is able to prevent all evil, and should at least try to do so. When in fact, most evil can't be prevented by government, and a government that sets this as its goal is inevitably totalitarian.

 

[Chuz Life]

My position on abortion is that laws attempting to ban it are based on the mistaken premise that government is able to prevent all evil, and should at least try to do so. When in fact, most evil can't be prevented by government, and a government that sets this as its goal is inevitably totalitarian.

Do children have a Constitutional right to the equal protection of our laws?

Either they do, or they don't.

 

[JoeB131]

Do children have a Constitutional right to the equal protection of our laws?

Either they do, or they don't.

Children do.

Fetuses do not.

see, that was easy.

 

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But only 22% of zygotes that are conceived become babies.


The rest are aborted, miscarried, or never attach to the uterine wall.

By your dubious logic, all the frozen embryos held at fertility clinics are prisoners of conscience if they are never put inside a woman.

We are talking 1.2 million frozen "humans" by your reasoning.

That has nothing to do with the science of when a human life begins.

 

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I have no conflict.

Sure you do. That's why you dehumanize human life. To eliminate your conflict. You couldn't stand believing you support ending a human life, that's why you have reduced certain human lives to something less than human. The same way Nazi's did that to Jews and slave owners did that to slaves. They couldn't stomach believing they were doing those things to human beings. So they reduced certain human beings to less than human to eliminate their conflict. Just like you are doing.

 

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I just don't consider a glob of tissue to be life.

Are they globs of tissue?

Data for 2022 indicates that 40% of abortions occurred at or before 6 weeks, while 39% occurred between 7 and 9 weeks, and 14% at 10–13 weeks.



At conception a new genetically distinct human being has come into existence. ONE THAT HAS NEVER EXISTED BEFORE AND WILL NEVER EXIST AGAIN. It's not a glob of tissue. It's a living human being.

 

[Chuz Life]

Children do.

Fetuses do not.

see, that was easy.

Does a human fetus (e.g., a Human being in the fetal stage of their life, growth, and development) not have biological parents? Joey?

It does.

That makes it a child, young, offspring of those parents.

Your denial is thus easily refuted by the biological facts.

 

[JoeB131]

That has nothing to do with the science of when a human life begins.

Well, actually, it kind of does.

If you accept the premise that life begins at conception, then we should be holding funerals over tampons.

We don't hold funerals for tampons. We don't hold funerals for zygotes that get discarded by IVF clinics. We don't even hold funerals for miscarriages.

Sure you do. That's why you dehumanize human life. To eliminate your conflict. You couldn't stand believing you support ending a human life, that's why you have reduced certain human lives to something less than human. The same way Nazi's did that to Jews and slave owners did that to slaves. They couldn't stomach believing they were doing those things to human beings. So they reduced certain human beings to less than human to eliminate their conflict. Just like you are doing.

Actually, I doubt the Nazis or the slave holders cared that much.

But let's try to get back on track. Letting a Jew live did not mean you LITERALLY had to let him latch onto your body for nine months, inflicting permanent physical changes. This is what you are asking women to do with unwanted pregnancies.

Are they globs of tissue?

Data for 2022 indicates that 40% of abortions occurred at or before 6 weeks, while 39% occurred between 7 and 9 weeks, and 14% at 10–13 weeks.

So by your own reckoning, 93% of abortions are performed before the 13th Week.

A fetus at week 13 is not viable. It's the size of a lemon.

Not a person. Not even close to being a person.

 

[JoeB131]

Does a human fetus (e.g., a Human being in the fetal stage of their life, growth, and development) not have biological parents? Joey?

It does.

That makes it a child, young, offspring of those parents.

Your denial is thus easily refuted by the biological facts.

Um, a parent is someone who accepts responsibility.

An abortion patient needs to take care of that thing on Tuesday.

Happy to have cleared that up for you.

 

[Chuz Life]

Um, a parent is someone who accepts responsibility.

An abortion patient needs to take care of that thing on Tuesday.

Happy to have cleared that up for you.

Not even in our current legal system is the biological relationship established by "who wants responsibility"

Joe doesn't know Jack about what he claims.

 

[Chuz Life]

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[JoeB131]

Not even in our current legal system is the biological relationship established by "who wants responsibility"

Um, okay, tell that to all the deadbeats who walk out on their kids. They don't get put on the hook until it's viable.

Meanwhile, when the women don't want to take responsibility, into the medical waste container little Globby Goes.

"We don't hold funerals for tampons. We don't hold funerals for zygotes that get discarded by IVF clinics. We don't even hold funerals for miscarriages." JoeB

I guess I should hvae qualified, "except for a few religious fanatics".

Hey, one of your links specifically says the state does not issue a death certificate for a fetus lost before 20 weeks.

Because fetuses STILL aren't people.

 

[Chuz Life]

Um, okay, tell that to all the deadbeats who walk out on their kids. They don't get put on the hook until it's viable.

Meanwhile, when the women don't want to take responsibility, into the medical waste container little Globby Goes.


I guess I should hvae qualified, "except for a few religious fanatics".

Hey, one of your links specifically says the state does not issue a death certificate for a fetus lost before 20 weeks.

Because fetuses STILL aren't people.

Anecdotal whataboutism. . .

Any straw you can grasp to escape the obvious TRUTHS that have been shown to you.

 

[Chuz Life]

Because fetuses STILL aren't people.

That explains the murders charges for those in prison because they killed a "child in the womb" in a criminal act, alright.

 

[JoeB131]

That explains the murders charges for those in prison because they killed a "child in the womb" in a criminal act, alright.

No, it shows that people don't like jerks who hit pregnant women.

It's still terrible law.

when the Religious Crazies tried to use it to go after women who had miscarriages/abortions, people rightfully went nuts.

Anecdotal whataboutism. . .

Any straw you can grasp to escape the obvious TRUTHS that have been shown to you.

Nope. You offered a link, and one of those links demonstrated that the state doesn't issue death certificates for fetuses.

Because they aren't people.

 

[PeterPilot]

Do children have a Constitutional right to the equal protection of our laws?

Either they do, or they don't.

In some places they do and in some places they don't. That has been shown by the child-trafficking controversy, about which Bono, Hanks, Maxwell and so many others participate in.

 

[Chuz Life]

No, it shows that people don't like jerks who hit pregnant women.

It's still terrible law.

when the Religious Crazies tried to use it to go after women who had miscarriages/abortions, people rightfully went nuts.



Nope. You offered a link, and one of those links demonstrated that the state doesn't issue death certificates for fetuses.

Because they aren't people.

I don't know if I can unretard what you just said but I will try with this question.

If a child in the womb is so easily proven NOT to be a child or a person, as you are obviously convinced. . . Why are you, planned parenthood, the ACLU and or any other abortion proponents NOT using that "fact" to overturn any of the convictions or the very laws that establish them AS persons?

Inquiring minds would like to know.

 

[Hafar1014]

I don't know if I can unretard what you just said but I will try with this question.

If a child in the womb is so easily proven NOT to be a child or a person, as you are obviously convinced. . . Why are you, planned parenthood, the ACLU and or any other abortion proponents NOT using that "fact" to overturn any of the convictions or the very laws that establish them AS persons?

Inquiring minds would like to know.

NO such law exists

 

[Chuz Life]

NO such law exists

The convictions do!

So, let's examine some logic.

1. What is the legal definition of murder?

2. How does a law that makes it a crime of murder - to kill a "Child in the womb" in a criminal act - NOT establish that the thing (Child in the womb) that was killed was anything less than a person?