Zone1 Abortion Debate: Come Clean and without fallacy

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What punishment do you think women should get for having an abortion?

A class C misdemeanor with no jail and a small fine.

 

[JoeB131]

As much as you want to ignore the science, it's just science. Human life begins at conception. You are making up your own definition of what life is to justify your beliefs that you aren't ending a human life.

But only 22% of zygotes that are conceived become babies.


The rest are aborted, miscarried, or never attach to the uterine wall.

By your dubious logic, all the frozen embryos held at fertility clinics are prisoners of conscience if they are never put inside a woman.

We are talking 1.2 million frozen "humans" by your reasoning.

 

[JoeB131]

I disagree. The human mind cannot live in conflict. I see it all the time. Look at it this way, it's because they are not dead inside that they have to rationalize they are not ending a human life. If they were dead inside they wouldn't care if they were ending a human life, but JoeB does care about not ending a human life. That's why he has constructed a rationalization to avoid facing that conflict.

I have no conflict. Once I rid myself of superstition and religion, I just learned to make decisions based on reason and pragmatism.

The kinds of abortion laws you want will either be meaningless because they will be ignored, or they will require a fascist state where freedom is a thing of the past. Neither is acceptable. Globby isn't worth it.

A class C misdemeanor with no jail and a small fine.

Ah, now wait. You guys argued that fetuses are human and abortion is murder, so you are going to let murder off with a C-misdemeanor and a small fine?

Shit, if that's the new standard, I have an ex-boss I'd like to perform a 200th Trimseter Abortion on.

 

[progressive hunter]

But only 22% of zygotes that are conceived become babies.


The rest are aborted, miscarried, or never attach to the uterine wall.

By your dubious logic, all the frozen embryos held at fertility clinics are prisoners of conscience if they are never put inside a woman.

We are talking 1.2 million frozen "humans" by your reasoning.

how can anything you say be taken seriously when you dont believe raping and murdering children is a crime??

 

[JoeB131]

how can anything you say be taken seriously when you dont believe raping and murdering children is a crime??

Not sure what you are babbling about and don't care.

 

[progressive hunter]

Not sure what you are babbling about and don't care.

this is now the 4th time I have asked and you still refuse to say its a crime,,

what am I expected to think??

 

[JoeB131]

this is now the 4th time I have asked and you still refuse to say its a crime,,

what am I expected to think??

Because I have no idea what you are talking about and I don't care.

I know you've been weirdly following me around for the last few days hoping I'll grace you with my attention, but you have to say something interesting first.

 

[progressive hunter]

Because I have no idea what you are talking about and I don't care.

I know you've been weirdly following me around for the last few days hoping I'll grace you with my attention, but you have to say something interesting first.

again you refuse to say raping and murdering a child is a crime,,

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

You arent going to change minds. The key is to prevent conceptions. Imagine if everyone used contraception and prevented from having kids.

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I have long believed that female babies need to have a device installed at birth that would only allow them to conceive once they have proven that they want a child and are mature enough to raise a child right. Then and only then should they be allowed to switch that device off.

Thus far, there have been way too many women who are not that intelligent or mature.

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[Chuz Life]

I disagree. The human mind cannot live in conflict. I see it all the time. Look at it this way, it's because they are not dead inside that they have to rationalize they are not ending a human life. If they were dead inside they wouldn't care if they were ending a human life, but JoeB does care about not ending a human life. That's why he has constructed a rationalization to avoid facing that conflict.

They DON'T care.

That's just it.

They can't even be made to care.

And it is in that respect that they are DEAD themselves (inside).

 

[LibertyWeeps]

Simple fact is.............

It takes TWO living things to merge, in order to create a new living thing.
You cannot derive a new life from two dead things.

Therefore, life is life, no matter how small it is.

 

[JoeB131]

again you refuse to say raping and murdering a child is a crime,,

No idea what you are talking about, don't care.

Simple fact is.............

It takes TWO living things to merge, in order to create a new living thing.
You cannot derive a new life from two dead things.

Therefore, life is life, no matter how small it is.

So by your logic, then, Sperm and Ova are human life. Forget that men ejaculate millions of sperm.

The issue here isn't life, it's viability.

I have long believed that female babies need to have a device installed at birth that would only allow them to conceive once they have proven that they want a child and are mature enough to raise a child right. Then and only then should they be allowed to switch that device off.

Thus far, there have been way too many women who are not that intelligent or mature.

Wow, so you want to turn all women into breeding machines? Interesting. Refreshing to see this kind of honesty from an anti-choicer rather then listen to them emote about "the Babies!!!"

Speaking of which.

They DON'T care.
That's just it.
They can't even be made to care.
And it is in that respect that they are DEAD themselves (inside).

No, it just means we don't share your value that a glob of tissue deserves more consideration than the woman it's inside (without whom it couldn't exist to start with).

I think you need to develop an artificial womb and make every man carry a baby to term.

 

[initforme]

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I have long believed that female babies need to have a device installed at birth that would only allow them to conceive once they have proven that they want a child and are mature enough to raise a child right. Then and only then should they be allowed to switch that device off.

Thus far, there have been way too many women who are not that intelligent or mature.

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No argument from me. My point all along. Dont want to take care of them then dont have them. Theres alot of kids out there not taken care of properly. Sad, but true.

 

[progressive hunter]

No idea what you are talking about, don't care.



So by your logic, then, Sperm and Ova are human life. Forget that men ejaculate millions of sperm.

The issue here isn't life, it's viability.



Wow, so you want to turn all women into breeding machines? Interesting. Refreshing to see this kind of honesty from an anti-choicer rather then listen to them emote about "the Babies!!!"

Speaking of which.




No, it just means we don't share your value that a glob of tissue deserves more consideration than the woman it's inside (without whom it couldn't exist to start with).

I think you need to develop an artificial womb and make every man carry a baby to term.

whats that 6 times now you refused to say raping and murdering a child is a crime,,

says a lot about you doesnt it,,

 

[JoeB131]

whats that 6 times now you refused to say raping and murdering a child is a crime,,

says a lot about you doesnt it,,

Have no idea what you are talking about, so go away.

 

[Chuz Life]

If I could administer a truth serum, I would ask the proponents of abortion on demand

whats that 6 times now you refused to say raping and murdering a child is a crime,,

says a lot about you doesnt it,,

The list of questions that abortion proponents refuse to answer is quite a lengthy one.

This is an ancient post, and the list needs to be updated.

It still shows how abortion proponents will not / cannot afford to honestly answer questions that they think might lead to conclusions that challenge their views.

CDZ Thread 'Chuz Life's list of (Abortion related) questions that abortion proponents can't or will not answer.'

Mar 27, 2017

Over the 25 years or so that I have been fighting abortion, I have compiled a list of questions that (for whatever reason) I can not get straight forward answers to - from the left.

Here they are In no particular order.

1. What biological moment took place that makes your biological father YOUR biological father?

2. When the United States Constitution says "all persons" (all human beings) are entitled to the EQUAL protections of our laws. . . Is that an INclusive or is that an EXclusive statement?

3. True or False: This is an image of an Oak Tree in the first days of its life...

• Chuz Life
• abortion chuz questions
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[progressive hunter]

Have no idea what you are talking about, so go away.

thats because you dont think raping and murdering a child is a crime,,

 

[Chuz Life]

thats because you dont think raping and murdering a child is a crime,,

They don't even think the child victim is a child. . .

Let alone a victim.

CDZ Thread 'POLL: An Abortion Kills a Child'

May 26, 2020

Reminder.

1. This thread is in the CDZ; ALL CDZ rules apply.
2. You can change your answers at any time.
3. All sides are invited to present any and all evidence to support their views.
4. Posts and responses are asked to be confined to the subject of this OP. "Does and abortion kill a child, or not?"
5. For Reference, this thread and poll is in reference to abortions and the biology of HUMAN beings, only.
6. This thread is NOT about whether or not abortions "SHOULD" be legal or illegal. It is ONLY about whether or not an abortion kills a child.

• Chuz Life
• abortion biology child person
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[Robert W]

I'm atheist / (really agnostic) myself. . . and I have no want to debate abortion or any other issue on the basis of "morality."

Yet, here I am on the side opposed to abortion on demand. Elective abortion.

Your post gave me a chance to point that out.

Happy to answer any questions if you have any for me.

I am pleased you springboarded off of me.

 

[JoeB131]

The list of questions that abortion proponents refuse to answer is quite a lengthy one.

This is an ancient post, and the list needs to be updated.

It still shows how abortion proponents will not / cannot afford to honestly answer questions that they think might lead to conclusions that challenge their views.

Sure, we've given you honest answers.

You want to give globs of tissue the same rights as people.

It's absurd on its face.

Let's take your idiotic question about "Fathers".

Once again, 2/3rds of fertilized zygotes never cling to the Uterine Wall. Do they have "fathers"? No, because they are non-events.

1/5th of all pregnancies miscarry. No one thinks twice about them. They are non-events.

So are abortions.

They don't even think the child victim is a child. . .

Let alone a victim.

No, it's a glob of unviable tissue.