pknopp
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If I wanted to establish who a specific person was wouldn't I use DNA to do that?
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It does not a person is a legal term. A zygote is not a person
Why not? It's literally how we determine WHO a specific person is.
Does DNA establish a specific person? Doesn't each person have a different DNA that identifies that person?
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You very well made a simple statement meaning a more complicated one and I understand that.
I can leave DNA on a cup I drank from. That DNA isn't a human but it did come from one.
Actually it was always a pretty simple point. DNA establishes person-hood. That is a fact. When a woman aborts her baby, she is aborting a specific person. Some people can't stomach the truth.
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Thats identity and its different for men and women who can only get the female DNA. A person is a citizen with rights. Thats an arbitrary concept. An infant doesnt know its an individual until 6 months after birth.
We have to agree on a time before birth when a fetus has rights. There is no science behind it. Whats the standard? Able to live in its own?
Indeed ding
How many criminals are in prison today, prosecuted with only a tiny amount of DNA (semen for example) but powerful enough evidence to get them life without parole in some cases.
To then suggest that DNA is not relevant or evidence enough to establish the biological fact that a child in the womb is a "child" of the biological parents who conceived them is about the most fucktarded denial I ever see in these exchanges.
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I don't disagree with the point but my saliva has DNA.
Yes, but the baby in the womb has its own unique DNA. It's like no other that has existed before or will exist again. It's a one shot deal.
Legal term, you say. . .
(d) As used in this section, the term “unborn child” means a child in utero, and the term “child in utero” or “child, who is in utero” means a member of the species homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb.
18 U.S. Code § 1841 - Protection of unborn children
I get that. But your saliva is not a living human being.
person: a human being regarded as an individual.
According to science, a new genetically distinct human being has come into existence at conception. Which means that a new genetically distinct person has come into existence at conception.
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Yes, but the baby's saliva has DNA.
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Right so it's more complicated than simple DNA.
Yes, the DNA of a new genetically distinct person.
The DNA is the evidence of a new genetically distinct person. One that has never existed before and will never exist again.
I don't know about none but there wouldn't be near as many.
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