Zone1 Abe Lincoln On the Dangers of Multiculturalism

[GMCGeneral]

The idea of a multicultural society was alien in the 1860s
Doesnt make it right

Sure it does. The idea is assimilation, not multiculturalism.

 

[gipper]

Well, Lincoln was a regular reader of Marx. Lincoln not only lived in the time of Lysander Spooner, he also lived in the time of Marx.

I believe they even exchanged regular personal communication.

There's a book out there entitled ''The S Word: A Short History of an American Tradition...Socialism.''

I was quickly reminded of it when Tom mentioned about the economics of infiltrating westward.

Anyway, it's a good book. It does illustrate the factual, historical alliance that Lincoln had with prominant socialists of the time.

Hold on, I'll look for a supporting article, just to share the gist of why I was reminded of Marx and of that particular book when Tom mentioned about the western side of the nation.

Alright, here's one...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2019/07/27/you-know-who-was-into-karl-marx-no-not-aoc-abraham-lincoln/

It does appear disingenuous of Abe in supporting slavery, while making friends with the world’s leading socialist.

 

[Donald H]

I broke the Fourth Wall.
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lemme know what that means some time, by p.m.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

Abe made it crystal clear in his first inaugural that he didn’t oppose slavery. He did oppose secession and was fully willing to mass murder those who wished to secede….

You are not just speaking in a “strange manner” here like Natural Citizen. You are uttering damn lies, or at the very least slandering a President who the whole world acknowledges was one of America’s greatest leaders.

And yes of course Marx early supported the abolition of slavery in North America and “radical” refugees from the failed 1848 democratic revolution in Germany — the famed “48ers” — played an outsized role in Northern Armies, volunteering and providing some experienced officers. Marx wrote excellent articles in Horace Greeley’s Whig / Republican Party New York Herald Tribune about European reactions to the war. Marx & Engels then had ties with important trade union leaders in Britain who helped counter British textile factory owners who agitated in Parliament to support the Confederacy, in order to guarantee cheap cotton imports and their own profits. Lincoln of course was, in Marx’s vocabulary, only a “bourgeois” fighting (half-heartedly at first) a “pre-capitalist” economic system in the South. Needless to say … Lincoln was no socialist!

Both genuinely Conservative and Liberal Republicans today hold up Lincoln as the greatest founding leader of the GOP, the man who held our country together and abolished slavery. The Civil War was “necessary” to pave the way for our nation as a whole to grow and prosper mightily into — as it eventually rather vainly called itself — the world’s “Arsenal for Democracy,” able to beat back fascism and Japanese-style imperialism.

All but deranged quacks and deluded Southern apologists for the ”Lost Cause” today acknowledge Lincoln was also a man of deep conscience who was genuinely horrified that the war lasted for years and became so bloody. It was indeed a Civil War — not one-sided “mass murder.”

Both sides in the Civil War raised a “Battle Cry of Freedom” that meant very different things, had very different ideas of what “freedom” meant and what our Constitution allowed and would ultimately need to allow. Without Lincoln’s last struggle, waged mostly in Congress after the South lay defeated and prostrate, there would have been no “13th Amendment” abolishing slavery everywhere in the U.S.A.

You deal fast and loose with Lincoln & slavery. As every schoolboy knows, Lincoln before the war was dead-set opposed to slavery personally, but felt that the Constitution prevented him from tampering with this deeply immoral institution where it already existed, as in the South. He was dead set against its expansion, however, just as the “Slavocracy” was determined to expand slavery wherever possible.

Laugh all you want at Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address. Americans overwhelmingly treasure it as a concise and pregnant statement honoring the men buried there. Lincoln expressed what he himself believed, that there was a more profound meaning to the war than he himself understood at its beginning.

Most Americans don’t usually think about it these days, but after Lincoln’s assassination many millions of Americans did indeed see the war as he did. They came to look at it in a more profound and terrible way. Almost as a divinely ordained punishment. The war seemed to be ordained not by men but by fate itself, and it did indeed open up a chance for “a rebirth of freedom.”

All these years later, many would pick apart that legacy, raise absurd distractions, and ignore dealing with unfinished obstacles keeping our country & the world from that sought for … “rebirth of freedom.”

 

[gipper]

You are not just speaking in a “strange manner” here like Natural Citizen. You are uttering damn lies, or at the very least slandering a President who the whole world acknowledges was one of America’s greatest leaders.

And yes of course Marx early supported the abolition of slavery in North America and “radical” refugees from the failed 1848 democratic revolution in Germany — the famed “48ers” — played an outsized role in Northern Armies, volunteering and providing some experienced officers. Marx wrote excellent articles in Horace Greeley’s Whig / Republican Party New York Herald Tribune about European reactions to the war. Marx & Engels then had ties with important trade union leaders in Britain who helped counter British textile factory owners who agitated in Parliament to support the Confederacy, in order to guarantee cheap cotton imports and their own profits. Lincoln of course was, in Marx’s vocabulary, only a “bourgeois” fighting (half-heartedly at first) a “pre-capitalist” economic system in the South. Needless to say … Lincoln was no socialist!

Both genuinely Conservative and Liberal Republicans today hold up Lincoln as the greatest founding leader of the GOP, the man who held our country together and abolished slavery. The Civil War was “necessary” to pave the way for our nation as a whole to grow and prosper mightily into — as it eventually rather vainly called itself — the world’s “Arsenal for Democracy,” able to beat back fascism and Japanese-style imperialism.

All but deranged quacks and deluded Southern apologists for the ”Lost Cause” today acknowledge Lincoln was also a man of deep conscience who was genuinely horrified that the war lasted for years and became so bloody. It was indeed a Civil War — not one-sided “mass murder.”

Both sides in the Civil War raised a “Battle Cry of Freedom” that meant very different things, had very different ideas of what “freedom” meant and what our Constitution allowed and would ultimately need to allow. Without Lincoln’s last struggle, waged mostly in Congress after the South lay defeated and prostrate, there would have been no “13th Amendment” abolishing slavery everywhere in the U.S.A.

You deal fast and loose with Lincoln & slavery. As every schoolboy knows, Lincoln before the war was dead-set opposed to slavery personally, but felt that the Constitution prevented him from tampering with this deeply immoral institution where it already existed, as in the South. He was dead set against its expansion, however, just as the “Slavocracy” was determined to expand slavery wherever possible.

Laugh all you want at Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address. Americans overwhelmingly treasure it as a concise and pregnant statement honoring the men buried there. Lincoln expressed what he himself believed, that there was a more profound meaning to the war than he himself understood at its beginning.

Most Americans don’t usually think about it these days, but after Lincoln’s assassination many millions of Americans did indeed see the war as he did. They came to look at it in a more profound and terrible way. Almost as a divinely ordained punishment. The war seemed to be ordained not by men but by fate itself, and it did indeed open up a chance for “a rebirth of freedom.”

All these years later, many would pick apart that legacy, raise absurd distractions, and ignore dealing with unfinished obstacles keeping our country & the world from that sought for … “rebirth of freedom.”

Control yourself. Read his first inaugural and tell me Lincoln opposed slavery. If you do this, you expose yourself as a damn liar.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

Control yourself. Read his first inaugural and tell me Lincoln opposed slavery. If you do this, you expose yourself as a damn liar.

You are a fool if you think I haven’t read it many times before. You are more of a fool if you think it somehow demonstrates that anything I’ve said in my many earlier comments were lies.

You seem to have never learned how to think deeply … inside the box or outside of it.

 

[gipper]

You are a fool if you think I haven’t read it many times before. You are more of a fool if you think it somehow demonstrates that anything I’ve said in my many earlier comments were lies.

You seem to have never learned how to think deeply … inside the box or outside of it.

You stated the following:
You are uttering damn lies, or at the very least slandering a President who the whole world acknowledges was one of America’s greatest leaders.

Please outline my lies so I can address them. I assumed you thought I lied about the support of slavery by Lincoln.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

You stated the following:
You are uttering damn lies, or at the very least slandering a President who the whole world acknowledges was one of America’s greatest leaders.

Please outline my lies so I can address them. I assumed you thought I lied about the support of slavery by Lincoln.

Alright, let’s call a truce here. I don’t want this to get personal and I hope you are willing to forgive any personal insults I sent in your direction. Our misunderstandings may not be worth unraveling here. Frankly I’m pretty exhausted right now and can really use a break. Is that OK with you?

 

[gipper]

Alright, let’s call a truce here. I don’t want this to get personal and I hope you are willing to forgive any personal insults I sent in your direction. Our misunderstandings may not be worth unraveling here. Frankly I’m pretty exhausted right now and can really use a break. Is that OK with you?

Yes. Okay. Thank you.

 

[Natural Citizen]

The problem with Lincoln, in my view, is that he was a Hamiltonian.

Relevant reading, particularly for any casual passer-by who might not understand what I meant by the inference that( 1)Lincoln was a Hamiltonian and (2) why precisely that was and would further become a problem over the course of the wider timeline and course of events. As it is, most of Washington are to this very day Hamiltonions.

The Establishment’s Love Affair With Hamilton

 

[ninja007]

multiculturalism is a leftists dream; less whites. the elite love it too. the wef loves it too; ushers in digital currency, climate lockdowns and social credit scores faster. White people do not like the government too much- unless youre a lib.

 

[ninja007]

every non white majority country is a shithole in every way.

 

[IM2]

C'mon, now your sounding like a reciprocal IM2 or some of the other nut jobs. ANYONE is capable of performing a job with the proper education and ambition. There is no inferior or superior race. There are ambitious and lazy with very little in between. I believe we are all born with equal qualifications (with minor exceptions). It is up to the individual to do the best that they can with the gifts that God gave them. Those with ambition will succeed. The lazy won't--it is that simple.

You're the nut. I back my stuff with evidence. There is no superior or inferior, but there is one race that controlls thfe lawmaking (white) and that's been the problem. What has happened doesn't have anything to do with lack of ambition.

 

[IM2]

Lincoln's inaction planted the seeds for today's multicultural society.

He, along with the Republicans, fought to free the slaves from the wealthy Democrats.

Once freed and given the vote, the Democrats saw millions of new voters to exploit and quickly changed tactics

The society became multiculurted when whites floated over here and people were standing on the shores watching the ships roll in.

And you really need to stop trying to make todays democratic party the 1860 Democratic party.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

but there is one race that controlls thfe lawmaking (white) and that's been the problem.

Overall, 133 senators and representatives today identify as Black, Hispanic, Asian American, American Indian or Alaska Native, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of data from the Congressional Research Service.

The problem is, too many white people????

 

[Billo_Really]

See what I mean, Tom? lolol..

How can Tom see what you mean, when you edit what I say and take things out of context?

 

[Natural Citizen]

Fuck you, asshole!

See what I mean, Tom? lolol..

How can Tom see what you mean, when you edit what I say and take things out of context?

I didn't edit your post. I simply didn't read any further than what I quoted.

I did not and do not care about any context which followed. Your post was basically just a token I referenced for the purpose of justifying what was my previous thought on it.

You're reading the wrong books anyway, so, to me, it doesn't really matter what you think.

 

[Billo_Really]

I didn't edit your post. I simply didn't read any further than what I quoted.

I did not and do not care about any context which followed.

You're reading the wrong books anyway, so, to me, it doesn't really matter what you think.

Yes you did! You cherry-picked what you wanted to use, then presented it out of context in your next post. This is a debate. And in a debate, you respond to a person's point. You were not responding to mine.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Yes you did! You cherry-picked what you wanted to use, then presented it out of context in your next post. This is a debate. And in a debate, you respond to a person's point. You were not responding to mine.

I don't think that you're qualified to debate the topical content in any way, historically soeaking that is actually relevant to scope. In fact, I think you sound like a big old noisy choo-choo train.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Overall, 133 senators and representatives today identify as Black, Hispanic, Asian American, American Indian or Alaska Native, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of data from the Congressional Research Service.

The problem is, too many white people????

How many of those are Republicans ?