Abbas suggests Obama promised 67 lines - E. Jerusalem

[montelatici]

Didn't see you at Carpaccio's last month.

 

[Sally]

I have been to Jerusalem and seen Christian monks, nuns and priests walk around in the different costumes of their various denominations. Church bells ring, Arab Christian youths hawk their wares, while crosses line the quaint Armenian Quarter. Where is this persecution of Christians that you speak of?

Sorry, it was posted on another thread:



Excerpts from Human Rights Watch "WORLD REPORT 2013"

"In the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, Israeli settlers injured 151 Palestinians as of November 27. Israel imposed severe restrictions on Palestinians’ right to freedom of movement, continued to build unlawful settlements in occupied territory, and arbitrarily detained Palestinians, including children and peaceful protesters.......Israeli forces also fired on and confiscated Palestinian fishing boats that sailed more than 3 nautical miles from the coast, prohibiting access to 85 percent of Gaza's maritime area under international law.....As of November 27, Israeli authorities had demolished 568 Palestinian homes and other buildings in the West Bank (including East Jerusalem), displacing 1,014 people.

Building permits are difficult or impossible for Palestinians to obtain in East Jerusalem or in the 60 percent of the West Bank under exclusive Israeli control (Area C), whereas a separate planning process readily granted settlers new construction permits. Israel approved donor-funded construction of 14 schools and 5 clinics for Palestinians in Area C, but threatened entire Palestinian communities with demolition, such as 8 villages in an area designated as a military training zone.

Settlers continued to take over Palestinian homes in East Jerusalem, based in part on discriminatory laws that recognize Jewish ownership claims there from before 1948, but bar Palestinian ownership claims from that period in West Jerusalem......Israel maintained onerous restrictions on the movement of Palestinians in the West Bank, including checkpoints, closure obstacles, and the separation barrier. Settlement-related movement restrictions forced around 190,000 Palestinians to take time-consuming detours rather than the most direct route to nearby cities, the UN reported.

Israel continued construction of the separation barrier around East Jerusalem. Some 85 percent of the barrier's route falls within the West Bank, isolating 11,000 Palestinians who are barred from traveling to Israel and who must cross the barrier to access livelihoods and services in the West Bank, and separated Palestinian farmers and landowners in 150 communities from their lands, the UN reported......Israeli military authorities detained Palestinians who advocated non-violent protest against Israeli settlements and the route of the separation barrier. In May, an Israeli military court sentenced Palestinian activist Bassem Tamimi to 13 months in prison for leading demonstrations against land confiscation, in violation of his right to peaceful assembly, and for urging children to throw stones. The conviction on the latter charge was based primarily on a child's coerced statement.

Israeli authorities continued to arrest children suspected of criminal offenses, usually stone-throwing, in their homes at night, at gunpoint, question them without a family member or a lawyer present, and coerce them to sign confessions in Hebrew, which they did not understand......Bedouin citizens of Israel who live in “unrecognized” villages suffered discriminatory home demolitions on the basis that their homes were built illegally. Israeli authorities refused to prepare plans for the communities and to approve construction permits, and rejected plans submitted by the communities themselves, but have retroactively legalized Jewish-owned private farms and planned new Jewish communities in the same areas. In 2012, the Israel Land Administration demolished 47 Bedouin structures as of September, , not including tents erected by villagers from al-Arakib, which Israeli authorities have demolished 39 times the Bedouin-rights group Dukium reported."

Yes, the Human Rights Watch is so unbiased towarded Israel.

Human Rights Watch (HRW) in 2010: More Bias, Even Less Credibility

 

[Sally]

Didn't see you at Carpaccio's last month.

You were spotted at a C.A.I.R. meeting where you were given your latest instructions.

 

[GISMYS]

WORDS FOR TODAY WRITTEN OVER 3000 YEARS AGO. GOD is awesome!!! HUH??
O God!
Do not hold Your peace,
And do not be still, O God!
2
For behold, Your enemies make a tumult;
And those who hate You have lifted up their head.
3
They have taken crafty counsel against Your people,
And consulted together against Your sheltered ones.
4
They have said, “Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation,
That the name of Israel may be remembered no more.
5
For they have consulted together with one consent;
They form a confederacy against You. psalm 83:1-5

 

[montelatici]

I have been to Jerusalem and seen Christian monks, nuns and priests walk around in the different costumes of their various denominations. Church bells ring, Arab Christian youths hawk their wares, while crosses line the quaint Armenian Quarter. Where is this persecution of Christians that you speak of?

Sorry, it was posted on another thread:



Excerpts from Human Rights Watch "WORLD REPORT 2013"

"In the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, Israeli settlers injured 151 Palestinians as of November 27. Israel imposed severe restrictions on Palestinians’ right to freedom of movement, continued to build unlawful settlements in occupied territory, and arbitrarily detained Palestinians, including children and peaceful protesters.......Israeli forces also fired on and confiscated Palestinian fishing boats that sailed more than 3 nautical miles from the coast, prohibiting access to 85 percent of Gaza's maritime area under international law.....As of November 27, Israeli authorities had demolished 568 Palestinian homes and other buildings in the West Bank (including East Jerusalem), displacing 1,014 people.

Building permits are difficult or impossible for Palestinians to obtain in East Jerusalem or in the 60 percent of the West Bank under exclusive Israeli control (Area C), whereas a separate planning process readily granted settlers new construction permits. Israel approved donor-funded construction of 14 schools and 5 clinics for Palestinians in Area C, but threatened entire Palestinian communities with demolition, such as 8 villages in an area designated as a military training zone.

Settlers continued to take over Palestinian homes in East Jerusalem, based in part on discriminatory laws that recognize Jewish ownership claims there from before 1948, but bar Palestinian ownership claims from that period in West Jerusalem......Israel maintained onerous restrictions on the movement of Palestinians in the West Bank, including checkpoints, closure obstacles, and the separation barrier. Settlement-related movement restrictions forced around 190,000 Palestinians to take time-consuming detours rather than the most direct route to nearby cities, the UN reported.

Israel continued construction of the separation barrier around East Jerusalem. Some 85 percent of the barrier's route falls within the West Bank, isolating 11,000 Palestinians who are barred from traveling to Israel and who must cross the barrier to access livelihoods and services in the West Bank, and separated Palestinian farmers and landowners in 150 communities from their lands, the UN reported......Israeli military authorities detained Palestinians who advocated non-violent protest against Israeli settlements and the route of the separation barrier. In May, an Israeli military court sentenced Palestinian activist Bassem Tamimi to 13 months in prison for leading demonstrations against land confiscation, in violation of his right to peaceful assembly, and for urging children to throw stones. The conviction on the latter charge was based primarily on a child's coerced statement.

Israeli authorities continued to arrest children suspected of criminal offenses, usually stone-throwing, in their homes at night, at gunpoint, question them without a family member or a lawyer present, and coerce them to sign confessions in Hebrew, which they did not understand......Bedouin citizens of Israel who live in “unrecognized” villages suffered discriminatory home demolitions on the basis that their homes were built illegally. Israeli authorities refused to prepare plans for the communities and to approve construction permits, and rejected plans submitted by the communities themselves, but have retroactively legalized Jewish-owned private farms and planned new Jewish communities in the same areas. In 2012, the Israel Land Administration demolished 47 Bedouin structures as of September, , not including tents erected by villagers from al-Arakib, which Israeli authorities have demolished 39 times the Bedouin-rights group Dukium reported."

Yes, the Human Rights Watch is so unbiased towarded Israel.

Human Rights Watch (HRW) in 2010: More Bias, Even Less Credibility

Human Rights Watch is the most neutral of organizations of this type. They criticize all parties in a conflict fairly. It's just that Israeli supporters won't accept criticism.

For example from the same Human Rights Watch report:

"Hamas authorities in Gaza carried out six judicial executions in 2012, including after unfair trials, and men whom witnesses said were members of Hamas’s armed wing claimed responsibility for seven extrajudicial executions in November. The authorities frequently denied detainees access to their lawyers. Security forces conducted arbitrary arrests and tortured detainees. The authorities permitted some local human rights organizations to operate, but suppressed political dissent, free association, and peaceful assembly. Palestinian armed groups in Gaza launched more than 1,400 rockets that struck inside Israel as of November 2012, killing three civilians; a mortar shell killed a fourth civilian. The vast majority of rockets were launched indiscriminately towards populated areas."

 

[jillian]

Sorry, it was posted on another thread:



Excerpts from Human Rights Watch "WORLD REPORT 2013"

"In the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, Israeli settlers injured 151 Palestinians as of November 27. Israel imposed severe restrictions on Palestinians’ right to freedom of movement, continued to build unlawful settlements in occupied territory, and arbitrarily detained Palestinians, including children and peaceful protesters.......Israeli forces also fired on and confiscated Palestinian fishing boats that sailed more than 3 nautical miles from the coast, prohibiting access to 85 percent of Gaza's maritime area under international law.....As of November 27, Israeli authorities had demolished 568 Palestinian homes and other buildings in the West Bank (including East Jerusalem), displacing 1,014 people.

Building permits are difficult or impossible for Palestinians to obtain in East Jerusalem or in the 60 percent of the West Bank under exclusive Israeli control (Area C), whereas a separate planning process readily granted settlers new construction permits. Israel approved donor-funded construction of 14 schools and 5 clinics for Palestinians in Area C, but threatened entire Palestinian communities with demolition, such as 8 villages in an area designated as a military training zone.

Settlers continued to take over Palestinian homes in East Jerusalem, based in part on discriminatory laws that recognize Jewish ownership claims there from before 1948, but bar Palestinian ownership claims from that period in West Jerusalem......Israel maintained onerous restrictions on the movement of Palestinians in the West Bank, including checkpoints, closure obstacles, and the separation barrier. Settlement-related movement restrictions forced around 190,000 Palestinians to take time-consuming detours rather than the most direct route to nearby cities, the UN reported.

Israel continued construction of the separation barrier around East Jerusalem. Some 85 percent of the barrier's route falls within the West Bank, isolating 11,000 Palestinians who are barred from traveling to Israel and who must cross the barrier to access livelihoods and services in the West Bank, and separated Palestinian farmers and landowners in 150 communities from their lands, the UN reported......Israeli military authorities detained Palestinians who advocated non-violent protest against Israeli settlements and the route of the separation barrier. In May, an Israeli military court sentenced Palestinian activist Bassem Tamimi to 13 months in prison for leading demonstrations against land confiscation, in violation of his right to peaceful assembly, and for urging children to throw stones. The conviction on the latter charge was based primarily on a child's coerced statement.

Israeli authorities continued to arrest children suspected of criminal offenses, usually stone-throwing, in their homes at night, at gunpoint, question them without a family member or a lawyer present, and coerce them to sign confessions in Hebrew, which they did not understand......Bedouin citizens of Israel who live in “unrecognized” villages suffered discriminatory home demolitions on the basis that their homes were built illegally. Israeli authorities refused to prepare plans for the communities and to approve construction permits, and rejected plans submitted by the communities themselves, but have retroactively legalized Jewish-owned private farms and planned new Jewish communities in the same areas. In 2012, the Israel Land Administration demolished 47 Bedouin structures as of September, , not including tents erected by villagers from al-Arakib, which Israeli authorities have demolished 39 times the Bedouin-rights group Dukium reported."

Yes, the Human Rights Watch is so unbiased towarded Israel.

Human Rights Watch (HRW) in 2010: More Bias, Even Less Credibility

Human Rights Watch is the most neutral of organizations of this type. They criticize all parties in a conflict fairly. It's just that Israeli supporters won't accept criticism.

For example from the same Human Rights Watch report:

"Hamas authorities in Gaza carried out six judicial executions in 2012, including after unfair trials, and men whom witnesses said were members of Hamas’s armed wing claimed responsibility for seven extrajudicial executions in November. The authorities frequently denied detainees access to their lawyers. Security forces conducted arbitrary arrests and tortured detainees. The authorities permitted some local human rights organizations to operate, but suppressed political dissent, free association, and peaceful assembly. Palestinian armed groups in Gaza launched more than 1,400 rockets that struck inside Israel as of November 2012, killing three civilians; a mortar shell killed a fourth civilian. The vast majority of rockets were launched indiscriminately towards populated areas."

why do you think human rights watch is fair on this subject? because they say what you want them to?

reality --- when you lob missiles into someone else's territory (i.e., Israel) people get hurt.

let me know when you or human rights watch understands that equation.

 

[Sally]

Sorry, it was posted on another thread:



Excerpts from Human Rights Watch "WORLD REPORT 2013"

"In the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, Israeli settlers injured 151 Palestinians as of November 27. Israel imposed severe restrictions on Palestinians’ right to freedom of movement, continued to build unlawful settlements in occupied territory, and arbitrarily detained Palestinians, including children and peaceful protesters.......Israeli forces also fired on and confiscated Palestinian fishing boats that sailed more than 3 nautical miles from the coast, prohibiting access to 85 percent of Gaza's maritime area under international law.....As of November 27, Israeli authorities had demolished 568 Palestinian homes and other buildings in the West Bank (including East Jerusalem), displacing 1,014 people.

Building permits are difficult or impossible for Palestinians to obtain in East Jerusalem or in the 60 percent of the West Bank under exclusive Israeli control (Area C), whereas a separate planning process readily granted settlers new construction permits. Israel approved donor-funded construction of 14 schools and 5 clinics for Palestinians in Area C, but threatened entire Palestinian communities with demolition, such as 8 villages in an area designated as a military training zone.

Settlers continued to take over Palestinian homes in East Jerusalem, based in part on discriminatory laws that recognize Jewish ownership claims there from before 1948, but bar Palestinian ownership claims from that period in West Jerusalem......Israel maintained onerous restrictions on the movement of Palestinians in the West Bank, including checkpoints, closure obstacles, and the separation barrier. Settlement-related movement restrictions forced around 190,000 Palestinians to take time-consuming detours rather than the most direct route to nearby cities, the UN reported.

Israel continued construction of the separation barrier around East Jerusalem. Some 85 percent of the barrier's route falls within the West Bank, isolating 11,000 Palestinians who are barred from traveling to Israel and who must cross the barrier to access livelihoods and services in the West Bank, and separated Palestinian farmers and landowners in 150 communities from their lands, the UN reported......Israeli military authorities detained Palestinians who advocated non-violent protest against Israeli settlements and the route of the separation barrier. In May, an Israeli military court sentenced Palestinian activist Bassem Tamimi to 13 months in prison for leading demonstrations against land confiscation, in violation of his right to peaceful assembly, and for urging children to throw stones. The conviction on the latter charge was based primarily on a child's coerced statement.

Israeli authorities continued to arrest children suspected of criminal offenses, usually stone-throwing, in their homes at night, at gunpoint, question them without a family member or a lawyer present, and coerce them to sign confessions in Hebrew, which they did not understand......Bedouin citizens of Israel who live in “unrecognized” villages suffered discriminatory home demolitions on the basis that their homes were built illegally. Israeli authorities refused to prepare plans for the communities and to approve construction permits, and rejected plans submitted by the communities themselves, but have retroactively legalized Jewish-owned private farms and planned new Jewish communities in the same areas. In 2012, the Israel Land Administration demolished 47 Bedouin structures as of September, , not including tents erected by villagers from al-Arakib, which Israeli authorities have demolished 39 times the Bedouin-rights group Dukium reported."

Yes, the Human Rights Watch is so unbiased towarded Israel.

Human Rights Watch (HRW) in 2010: More Bias, Even Less Credibility

Human Rights Watch is the most neutral of organizations of this type. They criticize all parties in a conflict fairly. It's just that Israeli supporters won't accept criticism.

For example from the same Human Rights Watch report:

"Hamas authorities in Gaza carried out six judicial executions in 2012, including after unfair trials, and men whom witnesses said were members of Hamas’s armed wing claimed responsibility for seven extrajudicial executions in November. The authorities frequently denied detainees access to their lawyers. Security forces conducted arbitrary arrests and tortured detainees. The authorities permitted some local human rights organizations to operate, but suppressed political dissent, free association, and peaceful assembly. Palestinian armed groups in Gaza launched more than 1,400 rockets that struck inside Israel as of November 2012, killing three civilians; a mortar shell killed a fourth civilian. The vast majority of rockets were launched indiscriminately towards populated areas."

Now isn't that strange because others think it is not neutral but is biased against israel. However, if you want the readers to think they are oh so unbiased, go for it. Why don't you tell your brethren to stop trying tio destroy Israel and then no one will get hurt.

It really is a hoot how we keep on seeing the same stuff brought up time and time again on this forum ad nauseam with the various posters popping up and dragging up the same old, same old when so many worse things are happening to innocent people in many parts of the Muslim world.

 

[montelatici]

Yes, the Human Rights Watch is so unbiased towarded Israel.

Human Rights Watch (HRW) in 2010: More Bias, Even Less Credibility

Human Rights Watch is the most neutral of organizations of this type. They criticize all parties in a conflict fairly. It's just that Israeli supporters won't accept criticism.

For example from the same Human Rights Watch report:

"Hamas authorities in Gaza carried out six judicial executions in 2012, including after unfair trials, and men whom witnesses said were members of Hamas’s armed wing claimed responsibility for seven extrajudicial executions in November. The authorities frequently denied detainees access to their lawyers. Security forces conducted arbitrary arrests and tortured detainees. The authorities permitted some local human rights organizations to operate, but suppressed political dissent, free association, and peaceful assembly. Palestinian armed groups in Gaza launched more than 1,400 rockets that struck inside Israel as of November 2012, killing three civilians; a mortar shell killed a fourth civilian. The vast majority of rockets were launched indiscriminately towards populated areas."

why do you think human rights watch is fair on this subject? because they say what you want them to?

reality --- when you lob missiles into someone else's territory (i.e., Israel) people get hurt.

let me know when you or human rights watch understands that equation.

Wait a minute, the Human Rights Watch you quoted accuses Hamas of torture and of firing 1,400 rockets indiscriminately towards population areas of Israel and you complain about Human Rights Watch? Are you just a reflexive poster that doesn't read what's before him?

 

[montelatici]

Yes, the Human Rights Watch is so unbiased towarded Israel.

Human Rights Watch (HRW) in 2010: More Bias, Even Less Credibility

Human Rights Watch is the most neutral of organizations of this type. They criticize all parties in a conflict fairly. It's just that Israeli supporters won't accept criticism.

For example from the same Human Rights Watch report:

"Hamas authorities in Gaza carried out six judicial executions in 2012, including after unfair trials, and men whom witnesses said were members of Hamas’s armed wing claimed responsibility for seven extrajudicial executions in November. The authorities frequently denied detainees access to their lawyers. Security forces conducted arbitrary arrests and tortured detainees. The authorities permitted some local human rights organizations to operate, but suppressed political dissent, free association, and peaceful assembly. Palestinian armed groups in Gaza launched more than 1,400 rockets that struck inside Israel as of November 2012, killing three civilians; a mortar shell killed a fourth civilian. The vast majority of rockets were launched indiscriminately towards populated areas."

Now isn't that strange because others think it is not neutral but is biased against israel. However, if you want the readers to think they are oh so unbiased, go for it. Why don't you tell your brethren to stop trying tio destroy Israel and then no one will get hurt.

It really is a hoot how we keep on seeing the same stuff brought up time and time again on this forum ad nauseam with the various posters popping up and dragging up the same old, same old when so many worse things are happening to innocent people in many parts of the Muslim world.

Only Israeli right or wrong nutcases and rabid Islamists believe it is biased. Normal people believe it is the best and most neutral organization of its kind. This report was just issued, it is for 2013 so it has not been brought up before.

 

[GISMYS]

WORDS FOR TODAY WRITTEN OVER 3000 YEARS AGO. GOD is awesome!!! HUH??
O God!
Do not hold Your peace,
And do not be still, O God!
2
For behold, Your enemies make a tumult;
And those who hate You have lifted up their head.
3
They have taken crafty counsel against Your people,
And consulted together against Your sheltered ones.
4
They have said, “Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation,
That the name of Israel may be remembered no more.
5
For they have consulted together with one consent;
They form a confederacy against You. psalm 83:1-5
Then the Lord will go forth
And fight against those nations,
As He fights in the day of battle.
4
And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,
Which faces Jerusalem on the east. ZEC 14:2-4===the Lord will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem:
Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet,
Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets,
And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.
13
It shall come to pass in that day
That a great panic from the Lord will be among them.
NUKES?????

 

[Sally]

Human Rights Watch is the most neutral of organizations of this type. They criticize all parties in a conflict fairly. It's just that Israeli supporters won't accept criticism.

For example from the same Human Rights Watch report:

"Hamas authorities in Gaza carried out six judicial executions in 2012, including after unfair trials, and men whom witnesses said were members of Hamas’s armed wing claimed responsibility for seven extrajudicial executions in November. The authorities frequently denied detainees access to their lawyers. Security forces conducted arbitrary arrests and tortured detainees. The authorities permitted some local human rights organizations to operate, but suppressed political dissent, free association, and peaceful assembly. Palestinian armed groups in Gaza launched more than 1,400 rockets that struck inside Israel as of November 2012, killing three civilians; a mortar shell killed a fourth civilian. The vast majority of rockets were launched indiscriminately towards populated areas."

Now isn't that strange because others think it is not neutral but is biased against israel. However, if you want the readers to think they are oh so unbiased, go for it. Why don't you tell your brethren to stop trying tio destroy Israel and then no one will get hurt.

It really is a hoot how we keep on seeing the same stuff brought up time and time again on this forum ad nauseam with the various posters popping up and dragging up the same old, same old when so many worse things are happening to innocent people in many parts of the Muslim world.

Only Israeli right or wrong nutcases and rabid Islamists believe it is biased. Normal people believe it is the best and most neutral organization of its kind. This report was just issued, it is for 2013 so it has not been brought up before.

Hey, no one is saying that you can't believe they are neutral if that is what floats your boat. I am sure y ou will agree that others can have their own opinion about this organization being biased against Israel. Let me repeat. We have heard this same stuff ad nauseam so many times from posters just like you. I think most people are not interested in old stuff, but what is happening in the world of today. Say, have you ever thought that some of the readers would consider you a nut case? After all, you are not the only one who can think people are nut cases.

 

[Roudy]

Now what does that have to do with Hindus persecuting Christians and Muslims in India?

What is wrong with you, are you just a dimwitted and don't understand you constantly post non sequiturs

It has everything to do with it. Islam cannot coexist with anybody. It is a proven historical fact. They impose their own Islamic ideology and barbaric way if life, through violence if necessary. You cry like a baby for your fellow Muslims but you forget to tell everybody of the millions of Hindus killed at the hands of Islamic savage animals.

Jews co-existed with Muslims for centuries, in fact Jews were far better off in Muslim society than in Christian societies until the Zionists began settling in Palestine. Christians generally forced Jews to convert, leave or be killed. Why do you think so many Jews converted to Christianity or left Spain after the Christians after the Reconquista?

You are either a bit dim, or know nothing about history.

But to your point. So, you believe that when a poster shows the persecution of a certain group, they must also post links to the persecution of the persecutor. Don't you think that would become tiresome?

Plus, do you think because, for example, Christian Crusaders persecuted and murdered Muslims and Jews, it is ok for Muslims and Jews to persecute Christians. I think that's how your pea brain works.

Would you like to compare the "persecution" of Christians by Hindus to what Muslims are doing to non Muslims all over the world? It does not even compare. Muslims are barbaric savages who think they are doing Gods work when they kill and oppress the non Muslims.

I know many Middle Eastern Jews who fled from Arab Muslim shitholes to India and have nothing but good things to say about the treatment they received. Indian Hindus surprisingly were very tolerant and accepting of other religions, especially Jews and Christians.

And Jews who lived in Muslim countries lived as second class citizens, in an apartheid like system treated as subhumans and slaves. As Islam started sweeping the region, Jews and Christians were oppressed more and more. Arabs who were tolerant to Jews or Christians were so in spite of Islam, not because of. A good example of this is during the Shah of Iran's time, Jews and Christians lived as equal citizens, because it was a secular state, however when the Islamists took over, the shit of Islam hit the fan and all minorities more or less fled Iran. Christians in the Middle East were ethnically cleansed by Muslim animals.

And I didn't hear anything from you about the 1.2 million Jews that were killed, ethnically cleansed, and persecuted by Arabs. Nor did I hear anything about the 80 million Hindus that were killed by Muslim animals until the partition and creation of the Islamic shithole state of Pakistan in the early 20th century.

Ignoramus keeps playing his violin for Palestinian terrorist animals. LOL

 

[Phoenall]

Now what does that have to do with Hindus persecuting Christians and Muslims in India?

What is wrong with you, are you just a dimwitted and don't understand you constantly post non sequiturs

It has everything to do with it. Islam cannot coexist with anybody. It is a proven historical fact. They impose their own Islamic ideology and barbaric way if life, through violence if necessary. You cry like a baby for your fellow Muslims but you forget to tell everybody of the millions of Hindus killed at the hands of Islamic savage animals.

Jews co-existed with Muslims for centuries, in fact Jews were far better off in Muslim society than in Christian societies until the Zionists began settling in Palestine. Christians generally forced Jews to convert, leave or be killed. Why do you think so many Jews converted to Christianity or left Spain after the Christians after the Reconquista?

You are either a bit dim, or know nothing about history.

But to your point. So, you believe that when a poster shows the persecution of a certain group, they must also post links to the persecution of the persecutor. Don't you think that would become tiresome?

Plus, do you think because, for example, Christian Crusaders persecuted and murdered Muslims and Jews, it is ok for Muslims and Jews to persecute Christians. I think that's how your pea brain works.

ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDA that has no basis in reality. The Jews were persecuted and ethnically cleansed from all the Islamic nations since Mohamed wiped out the Jewish tribe in medina.

It is you that is dim and needs to read some proper history books.

You have tried to show that the Christians were being persecuted by the Jews until I gave you the link to a Christian site showing that it is the muslims doing it.

The Jews are not persecuting the Christians, far from they are saving them from muslim genocide

 

[Phoenall]

Jews co-existed with Muslims for centuries, in fact Jews were far better off in Muslim society than in Christian societies until the Zionists began settling in Palestine. Christians generally forced Jews to convert, leave or be killed. Why do you think so many Jews converted to Christianity or left Spain after the Christians after the Reconquista?

You are either a bit dim, or know nothing about history.

But to your point. So, you believe that when a poster shows the persecution of a certain group, they must also post links to the persecution of the persecutor. Don't you think that would become tiresome?

Plus, do you think because, for example, Christian Crusaders persecuted and murdered Muslims and Jews, it is ok for Muslims and Jews to persecute Christians. I think that's how your pea brain works.

This peace by a Jewish man once living in the Muslim world is very interesting.

Who is an Arab Jew? by Albert Memmi

I once read a piece about a Jewish philosopher living in Italy in the 15th century. One would have thought that he would have written about how the Catholics treated the Jews in Spain because of the Inquisition, but he stated that the biggest threat to the Jews in the future would be the Muslims. How right he was. Not only are they the biggest threat to the Jews, but we can see how persecuted the Christians are by them.

I actually have to laugh at this pipsqueak calling someone a peabrain as if she were a member of MENSA.

I am actually.

Are you indeed, how much did it cost you to join ?

 

[Phoenall]

i am actually.

anyone on a message board can claim anything they want to, even little pipsqueaks.

i realize that, only in this case it's true. Note: I didn't bring it up, you did.

proof

 

[Phoenall]

I have been to Jerusalem and seen Christian monks, nuns and priests walk around in the different costumes of their various denominations. Church bells ring, Arab Christian youths hawk their wares, while crosses line the quaint Armenian Quarter. Where is this persecution of Christians that you speak of?

Sorry, it was posted on another thread:



Excerpts from Human Rights Watch "WORLD REPORT 2013"

"In the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, Israeli settlers injured 151 Palestinians as of November 27. Israel imposed severe restrictions on Palestinians’ right to freedom of movement, continued to build unlawful settlements in occupied territory, and arbitrarily detained Palestinians, including children and peaceful protesters.......Israeli forces also fired on and confiscated Palestinian fishing boats that sailed more than 3 nautical miles from the coast, prohibiting access to 85 percent of Gaza's maritime area under international law.....As of November 27, Israeli authorities had demolished 568 Palestinian homes and other buildings in the West Bank (including East Jerusalem), displacing 1,014 people.

Building permits are difficult or impossible for Palestinians to obtain in East Jerusalem or in the 60 percent of the West Bank under exclusive Israeli control (Area C), whereas a separate planning process readily granted settlers new construction permits. Israel approved donor-funded construction of 14 schools and 5 clinics for Palestinians in Area C, but threatened entire Palestinian communities with demolition, such as 8 villages in an area designated as a military training zone.

Settlers continued to take over Palestinian homes in East Jerusalem, based in part on discriminatory laws that recognize Jewish ownership claims there from before 1948, but bar Palestinian ownership claims from that period in West Jerusalem......Israel maintained onerous restrictions on the movement of Palestinians in the West Bank, including checkpoints, closure obstacles, and the separation barrier. Settlement-related movement restrictions forced around 190,000 Palestinians to take time-consuming detours rather than the most direct route to nearby cities, the UN reported.

Israel continued construction of the separation barrier around East Jerusalem. Some 85 percent of the barrier's route falls within the West Bank, isolating 11,000 Palestinians who are barred from traveling to Israel and who must cross the barrier to access livelihoods and services in the West Bank, and separated Palestinian farmers and landowners in 150 communities from their lands, the UN reported......Israeli military authorities detained Palestinians who advocated non-violent protest against Israeli settlements and the route of the separation barrier. In May, an Israeli military court sentenced Palestinian activist Bassem Tamimi to 13 months in prison for leading demonstrations against land confiscation, in violation of his right to peaceful assembly, and for urging children to throw stones. The conviction on the latter charge was based primarily on a child's coerced statement.

Israeli authorities continued to arrest children suspected of criminal offenses, usually stone-throwing, in their homes at night, at gunpoint, question them without a family member or a lawyer present, and coerce them to sign confessions in Hebrew, which they did not understand......Bedouin citizens of Israel who live in “unrecognized” villages suffered discriminatory home demolitions on the basis that their homes were built illegally. Israeli authorities refused to prepare plans for the communities and to approve construction permits, and rejected plans submitted by the communities themselves, but have retroactively legalized Jewish-owned private farms and planned new Jewish communities in the same areas. In 2012, the Israel Land Administration demolished 47 Bedouin structures as of September, , not including tents erected by villagers from al-Arakib, which Israeli authorities have demolished 39 times the Bedouin-rights group Dukium reported."

So were does it mention Christians and persecution. Another of topic deflection by the little boy

 

[Phoenall]

Sorry, it was posted on another thread:



Excerpts from Human Rights Watch "WORLD REPORT 2013"

"In the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, Israeli settlers injured 151 Palestinians as of November 27. Israel imposed severe restrictions on Palestinians’ right to freedom of movement, continued to build unlawful settlements in occupied territory, and arbitrarily detained Palestinians, including children and peaceful protesters.......Israeli forces also fired on and confiscated Palestinian fishing boats that sailed more than 3 nautical miles from the coast, prohibiting access to 85 percent of Gaza's maritime area under international law.....As of November 27, Israeli authorities had demolished 568 Palestinian homes and other buildings in the West Bank (including East Jerusalem), displacing 1,014 people.

Building permits are difficult or impossible for Palestinians to obtain in East Jerusalem or in the 60 percent of the West Bank under exclusive Israeli control (Area C), whereas a separate planning process readily granted settlers new construction permits. Israel approved donor-funded construction of 14 schools and 5 clinics for Palestinians in Area C, but threatened entire Palestinian communities with demolition, such as 8 villages in an area designated as a military training zone.

Settlers continued to take over Palestinian homes in East Jerusalem, based in part on discriminatory laws that recognize Jewish ownership claims there from before 1948, but bar Palestinian ownership claims from that period in West Jerusalem......Israel maintained onerous restrictions on the movement of Palestinians in the West Bank, including checkpoints, closure obstacles, and the separation barrier. Settlement-related movement restrictions forced around 190,000 Palestinians to take time-consuming detours rather than the most direct route to nearby cities, the UN reported.

Israel continued construction of the separation barrier around East Jerusalem. Some 85 percent of the barrier's route falls within the West Bank, isolating 11,000 Palestinians who are barred from traveling to Israel and who must cross the barrier to access livelihoods and services in the West Bank, and separated Palestinian farmers and landowners in 150 communities from their lands, the UN reported......Israeli military authorities detained Palestinians who advocated non-violent protest against Israeli settlements and the route of the separation barrier. In May, an Israeli military court sentenced Palestinian activist Bassem Tamimi to 13 months in prison for leading demonstrations against land confiscation, in violation of his right to peaceful assembly, and for urging children to throw stones. The conviction on the latter charge was based primarily on a child's coerced statement.

Israeli authorities continued to arrest children suspected of criminal offenses, usually stone-throwing, in their homes at night, at gunpoint, question them without a family member or a lawyer present, and coerce them to sign confessions in Hebrew, which they did not understand......Bedouin citizens of Israel who live in “unrecognized” villages suffered discriminatory home demolitions on the basis that their homes were built illegally. Israeli authorities refused to prepare plans for the communities and to approve construction permits, and rejected plans submitted by the communities themselves, but have retroactively legalized Jewish-owned private farms and planned new Jewish communities in the same areas. In 2012, the Israel Land Administration demolished 47 Bedouin structures as of September, , not including tents erected by villagers from al-Arakib, which Israeli authorities have demolished 39 times the Bedouin-rights group Dukium reported."

Yes, the Human Rights Watch is so unbiased towarded Israel.

Human Rights Watch (HRW) in 2010: More Bias, Even Less Credibility

Human Rights Watch is the most neutral of organizations of this type. They criticize all parties in a conflict fairly. It's just that Israeli supporters won't accept criticism.

For example from the same Human Rights Watch report:

"Hamas authorities in Gaza carried out six judicial executions in 2012, including after unfair trials, and men whom witnesses said were members of Hamas’s armed wing claimed responsibility for seven extrajudicial executions in November. The authorities frequently denied detainees access to their lawyers. Security forces conducted arbitrary arrests and tortured detainees. The authorities permitted some local human rights organizations to operate, but suppressed political dissent, free association, and peaceful assembly. Palestinian armed groups in Gaza launched more than 1,400 rockets that struck inside Israel as of November 2012, killing three civilians; a mortar shell killed a fourth civilian. The vast majority of rockets were launched indiscriminately towards populated areas."

They are so biased they might as well call themselves hamas

 

[Phoenall]

Human Rights Watch is the most neutral of organizations of this type. They criticize all parties in a conflict fairly. It's just that Israeli supporters won't accept criticism.

For example from the same Human Rights Watch report:

"Hamas authorities in Gaza carried out six judicial executions in 2012, including after unfair trials, and men whom witnesses said were members of Hamas’s armed wing claimed responsibility for seven extrajudicial executions in November. The authorities frequently denied detainees access to their lawyers. Security forces conducted arbitrary arrests and tortured detainees. The authorities permitted some local human rights organizations to operate, but suppressed political dissent, free association, and peaceful assembly. Palestinian armed groups in Gaza launched more than 1,400 rockets that struck inside Israel as of November 2012, killing three civilians; a mortar shell killed a fourth civilian. The vast majority of rockets were launched indiscriminately towards populated areas."

why do you think human rights watch is fair on this subject? because they say what you want them to?

reality --- when you lob missiles into someone else's territory (i.e., Israel) people get hurt.

let me know when you or human rights watch understands that equation.

Wait a minute, the Human Rights Watch you quoted accuses Hamas of torture and of firing 1,400 rockets indiscriminately towards population areas of Israel and you complain about Human Rights Watch? Are you just a reflexive poster that doesn't read what's before him?

Get it right they pay lip service to the muslim breaches of humanitarian law every time they are shown to be anti Jewish. If Israel respond to a rocket killing a civilian HRW call it an unwarranted attack on gazan civilians.

 

[Roudy]

Yep and despite all the demonization and bullshit Islamic anti semetic neo Nazi propaganda, the entire Christian world knows that all will be lost if Jerusalem was under the control of intolerant Muslim savages as opposed to Jews, who are great hosts and protectors of the rights of all religions and minorities. That is why the Baha'is have their main temple and center of their faith in Israel.

Does this idiot really think that anybody trusts Muslims and especially PALESTINIANS to be as good hosts and caretakers of other faiths?

Let's do a short review of Muslim and Palestinian "respect" for other faiths in the last century. All you will see is a trail of blood and desecration.

 

[Phoenall]

Human Rights Watch is the most neutral of organizations of this type. They criticize all parties in a conflict fairly. It's just that Israeli supporters won't accept criticism.

For example from the same Human Rights Watch report:

"Hamas authorities in Gaza carried out six judicial executions in 2012, including after unfair trials, and men whom witnesses said were members of Hamas’s armed wing claimed responsibility for seven extrajudicial executions in November. The authorities frequently denied detainees access to their lawyers. Security forces conducted arbitrary arrests and tortured detainees. The authorities permitted some local human rights organizations to operate, but suppressed political dissent, free association, and peaceful assembly. Palestinian armed groups in Gaza launched more than 1,400 rockets that struck inside Israel as of November 2012, killing three civilians; a mortar shell killed a fourth civilian. The vast majority of rockets were launched indiscriminately towards populated areas."

Now isn't that strange because others think it is not neutral but is biased against israel. However, if you want the readers to think they are oh so unbiased, go for it. Why don't you tell your brethren to stop trying tio destroy Israel and then no one will get hurt.

It really is a hoot how we keep on seeing the same stuff brought up time and time again on this forum ad nauseam with the various posters popping up and dragging up the same old, same old when so many worse things are happening to innocent people in many parts of the Muslim world.

Only Israeli right or wrong nutcases and rabid Islamists believe it is biased. Normal people believe it is the best and most neutral organization of its kind. This report was just issued, it is for 2013 so it has not been brought up before.

A simple whois on HRW gives this, highlighted part is interesting

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