Abbas suggests Obama promised 67 lines - E. Jerusalem

[Phoenall]

Arabs should just realize that they lost the war they started and move on.

Where to?

How about were they migrated from between 1922 and 1947 when the arab population increased by 120% impossible alone from breeding and needed migration to reach this figure. 37% of the total migration to pre state Israel was by arab muslims looking to take advantage of the higher standard of living made possible by the Jews

 

[Phoenall]

islamonazi propaganda

Ha ha. He spurs off IslamoNAzi propaganda 24/7 and complains about it when he gets the truth thrown back in his face. Why are they always such whiners?

What is the propaganda. Are you claiming that no Christians and Muslims living in Palestine before 1947 lost their land and homes?

Not as many as you have been told about, in fact very few muslims owned anything but the shirt on their backs. You see the reality is they only arrived in the area a few short years earlier. Which is why the Palestinians use the two year rule for claiming Palestinian nationality

 

[Phoenall]

Not propaganda, just facts. The use of facts to make a point is something that people like you have difficulty with. Your strategy is name calling and spouting bullshit.

But in terms of "savagery" Palestinian civilians killed by the IDF over the past 10 years run in the thousands while Israeli civilians killed run in the 100s. While the death of a Christian, Muslim or Jewish civilian is a sad thing, it is clear to see which side is the most savage.

The fact that the IslamoNazi savages didn't kill enough Jews doesn't make them right. Doh!

But the fact that Jews killed a greater number of Christians and Muslims makes them right?

Try again as the majority of Christians killed have been at the hands of Palestinians and other muslims. See here from a Christian organisation

Palestinian Areas « Christian & Church Persecution

Wednesday, November 27th, 2013

Christians living in the Gaza Strip live under the reality of ongoing attacks on both churches and individuals. Living under the control of Hamas which considers Christians as infidels, the situation is more serious than you can imagine, Hazem Shanab said. Hamas controls all churches and mosques implements their ideology in all sectors of life, even to rewriting textbooks to match their worldview.

 

[Phoenall]

Is this section about Muslims in the world or about the I/P conflict. I am extremely critical Muslims when they cause havoc on the appropriate forum. I just don't understand what Muslim activities in Sudan, for example, have to do with Palestine/Israel.

Muslim savagery isn't limited to any general geographical area. The same savagery, barbarism, intolerance, medieval mentality, chauvinism, oppression, persecution, terrorism, inability to coexist, etc. is happening all over the world including in Israel and Palestine. It is a worldwide phenomenon and Israel is just one of the hotspots and on the front lines of dealing with Islamic barbarism. Got it? Get it? LOL

Muslims don't have a monopoly on savagery. I guess the Muslims should hate Christians as much as you hate Muslims given what's going on in the Central African Republic.

"International peacekeepers have failed to prevent the ethnic cleansing of Muslim civilians in the western part of the Central African Republic, Amnesty International said in a report issued today.
To protect the country’s remaining Muslim communities, international peacekeeping forces must break the control of anti-balaka militias and station sufficient troops in towns where Muslims are threatened.
“Anti-balaka militias are carrying out violent attacks in an effort to ethnically cleanse Muslims in the Central African Republic,” said Joanne Mariner, senior crisis response adviser at Amnesty International.
“The result is a Muslim exodus of historic proportions.”

https://www.amnesty.org/en/news/cen...thnic-cleansing-sectarian-violence-2014-02-12

Here you go of topic again and using none Palestinian / Israeli actions to prove a non existent point. The fact is the muslims bit of more than they could chew and choked on the result in CAR, and have ended up losing. This is going to happen more and more as the muslims are fighting far too many wars on far too many fronts and they just don't have the manpower to sustain the level's of violence they are engaged in. So expect some rather epic fails in the coming months as conservative islam takes back control from extremist islam, just like has happened in Pakistan and Egypt.

 

[Phoenall]

Boko Haram are in Nigeria, not in the CAF, and they are murderous scum. The point I am making is that your visceral hate for Muslims is a conditioned reflex brought about by constant viewing of anti-muslim propaganda. It is much like the hate Germans had for Jews after being conditioned to hate them through clever manipulation of the media or the hate Americans had for blacks. Sure, some white women may have been raped by Blacks, but the propaganda of the time made appear that every black man was a rapist.

There are bad people of all faiths, races and ethnicities

As I said, this section is for the I/P situation not who is killing who in India (Hindus have murdered many Christians), Africa etc. It is you that keep bringing what is going on outside of the subject of this section, so quit highjacking the thread. Stick to the subject.

You do the same and then tell everyone else to stick by your rules little boy.

The fact remains that the muslims invaded CAR with the sole intention of taking the land and turning it into another Islamic shit hole. They failed and ended up getting a good pasting and now are complaining about the treatment they are getting. Same in Israel when they attack the Jews and get beaten to a pulp they complain about getting beat.

 

[Phoenall]

It is you that is not fooling anyone. You are attempting to hijack a thread. This thread is not about criticizing Muslims and their actions around the world. It is about the I/P situation. If you want to join a discussion about other Muslim issues, there are threads and discussion groups for it. If you would prefer that this discussion be shut down because there are posters that have a different opinion than you do about the I/P situation (the subject of the discussion) , then ask the moderators to shut it down.

By showing what the muslims are doing in other places highlights what they are doing in Palestine. And the fact is that the muslims are ethnically cleaning non muslims from Palestine.

http://www.persecution.org/category/countries/middle-east/palestinian-areas/

Christian Schools in Gaza Strip Threatened with Closure
Sunday, July 21st, 2013

As a result of a new degree issued by the Hamas government that oversees the Gaza strip five Christian schools are threatened to be unable to offer classes for more than 1000 students when classes are scheduled to start in September. The decree issued by the government places a ban on co-educational classes for all students over the age of 10. The result of this action, which is just another of the many pressures on Christians living in this area, will be that the schools are forced to close as the funds do not exist to recruit enough teachers or space and the impact will ripple through the community having effects on both the Christian and Muslim families who were served by the schools.

 

[Phoenall]

It is you that is not fooling anyone. You are attempting to hijack a thread. This thread is not about criticizing Muslims and their actions around the world. It is about the I/P situation. If you want to join a discussion about other Muslim issues, there are threads and discussion groups for it. If you would prefer that this discussion be shut down because there are posters that have a different opinion than you do about the I/P situation (the subject of the discussion) , then ask the moderators to shut it down.

But the Israel/Palestine conflict is actually nothing when you compare the horrendous things that are happening in the rest of the Middle East, Africa and Southeast Asia where people are lying dead in the streets. How come you were so quick to bring up the Christians but you, yourself, couldn't find the time to find forums here to speak about what is happening to them in other countries. It appears that if the Jews are not involved, you really don't care what is happening even though atrocities are taking place all the time. One other thing, I hope you are getting time and a half for your effort in trying to demonize Israel.

If the I/P conflict is "actually nothing", perhaps this section/thread should be removed. I participate in other discussions so it would be fine if this section were removed.

You would like that wouldn't you so that your epic fail can no longer be seen. What a fool you have made of yourself with your claims using the Christians when the truth is they face the brutality and barbarism that is islam.

http://www.persecution.org/category/countries/middle-east/palestinian-areas/

The Mideast’s Vanishing Christians
Sunday, August 26th, 2012

Christians throughout the Middle East are being attacked and killed while thousands upon thousands have fled their homeland in hopes of finding a safe haven in western countries. For example, in Iran, the Revolutionary Guard has taken over the oversight of churches and has arrested scores of Christian converts from Islam. In Kuwait, the Saudi grand mufti told crowds that it is “necessary to destroy all the churches in the Arabian Peninsula.” In Gaza, Christians have allegedly been kidnapped and forced to convert to Islam. These cases are just a few of many extreme acts and threats of persecution in the Middle East that The National Interest brings to light in this revealing article.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Ha ha. He spurs off IslamoNAzi propaganda 24/7 and complains about it when he gets the truth thrown back in his face. Why are they always such whiners?

What is the propaganda. Are you claiming that no Christians and Muslims living in Palestine before 1947 lost their land and homes?

Not as many as you have been told about, in fact very few muslims owned anything but the shirt on their backs. You see the reality is they only arrived in the area a few short years earlier. Which is why the Palestinians use the two year rule for claiming Palestinian nationality

The two year rule was part of the citizenship order of 1925 written by the British as part of their mandate.

The citizenship order defined any former Turkish citizen who normally lived inside Palestine's international borders as a Palestinian citizen.

It also stated that any immigrant who spent two years in the country could become a Palestinian citizen. The Palestinians used the two year rule because that was the law that was on the books.

As far as the citizens owning nothing, there are people all over the world (including in places like the US and Israel) who own nothing. This has absolutely no bearing on their rights as citizens of their respective countries.

 

[MrMax]

What is the propaganda. Are you claiming that no Christians and Muslims living in Palestine before 1947 lost their land and homes?

Not as many as you have been told about, in fact very few muslims owned anything but the shirt on their backs. You see the reality is they only arrived in the area a few short years earlier. Which is why the Palestinians use the two year rule for claiming Palestinian nationality

The two year rule was part of the citizenship order of 1925 written by the British as part of their mandate.

The citizenship order defined any former Turkish citizen who normally lived inside Palestine's international borders as a Palestinian citizen.

It also stated that any immigrant who spent two years in the country could become a Palestinian citizen. The Palestinians used the two year rule because that was the law that was on the books.

As far as the citizens owning nothing, there are people all over the world (including in places like the US and Israel) who own nothing. This has absolutely no bearing on their rights as citizens of their respective countries.

And they should go back to Jordan then.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Not as many as you have been told about, in fact very few muslims owned anything but the shirt on their backs. You see the reality is they only arrived in the area a few short years earlier. Which is why the Palestinians use the two year rule for claiming Palestinian nationality

The two year rule was part of the citizenship order of 1925 written by the British as part of their mandate.

The citizenship order defined any former Turkish citizen who normally lived inside Palestine's international borders as a Palestinian citizen.

It also stated that any immigrant who spent two years in the country could become a Palestinian citizen. The Palestinians used the two year rule because that was the law that was on the books.

As far as the citizens owning nothing, there are people all over the world (including in places like the US and Israel) who own nothing. This has absolutely no bearing on their rights as citizens of their respective countries.

And they should go back to Jordan then.

The citizenship order defined any former Turkish citizen who normally lived inside Palestine's international borders as a Palestinian citizen.

You missed this point.

The Turkish citizens who normally lived inside Jordan's international borders became Jordanian citizens.

Different country.

 

[Phoenall]

The two year rule was part of the citizenship order of 1925 written by the British as part of their mandate.

The citizenship order defined any former Turkish citizen who normally lived inside Palestine's international borders as a Palestinian citizen.

It also stated that any immigrant who spent two years in the country could become a Palestinian citizen. The Palestinians used the two year rule because that was the law that was on the books.

As far as the citizens owning nothing, there are people all over the world (including in places like the US and Israel) who own nothing. This has absolutely no bearing on their rights as citizens of their respective countries.

And they should go back to Jordan then.

The citizenship order defined any former Turkish citizen who normally lived inside Palestine's international borders as a Palestinian citizen.

You missed this point.

The Turkish citizens who normally lived inside Jordan's international borders became Jordanian citizens.

Different country.

As did the Palestinians who lived in the west bank after Jordan annexed the land in 1949. They are no longer Palestinians as the exercised free determination to become part of Jordan. They cant claim right of return to land and property they never owned, which is what the vast majority of Palestinians are doing. So a simple piece of paper either from the mandate or the Ottomans giving details of land ownership will settle the problems once and for all. The registry of the land is still in existence and extends back to 1850 so the Palestinians can give the caretakers their names and the details of the land to receive a copy of the registry details for that land. For a small sum of course to cover expenses.

 

[montelatici]

It is you that is not fooling anyone. You are attempting to hijack a thread. This thread is not about criticizing Muslims and their actions around the world. It is about the I/P situation. If you want to join a discussion about other Muslim issues, there are threads and discussion groups for it. If you would prefer that this discussion be shut down because there are posters that have a different opinion than you do about the I/P situation (the subject of the discussion) , then ask the moderators to shut it down.

By showing what the muslims are doing in other places highlights what they are doing in Palestine. And the fact is that the muslims are ethnically cleaning non muslims from Palestine.

http://www.persecution.org/category/countries/middle-east/palestinian-areas/

Christian Schools in Gaza Strip Threatened with Closure
Sunday, July 21st, 2013

As a result of a new degree issued by the Hamas government that oversees the Gaza strip five Christian schools are threatened to be unable to offer classes for more than 1000 students when classes are scheduled to start in September. The decree issued by the government places a ban on co-educational classes for all students over the age of 10. The result of this action, which is just another of the many pressures on Christians living in this area, will be that the schools are forced to close as the funds do not exist to recruit enough teachers or space and the impact will ripple through the community having effects on both the Christian and Muslim families who were served by the schools.

Should the persecution of Muslims by Buddhists in Burma be taken as a sign that all societies with Buddhists in the majority will persecute Muslims? Should Muslims viscerally hate all Buddhists as you lot hate Muslims because of the persecution?

US Congressional Panel: End Persecution of Muslims in Burma

US Congressional Panel: End Persecution of Muslims in Burma

 

[P F Tinmore]

And they should go back to Jordan then.

The citizenship order defined any former Turkish citizen who normally lived inside Palestine's international borders as a Palestinian citizen.

You missed this point.

The Turkish citizens who normally lived inside Jordan's international borders became Jordanian citizens.

Different country.

As did the Palestinians who lived in the west bank after Jordan annexed the land in 1949. They are no longer Palestinians as the exercised free determination to become part of Jordan. They cant claim right of return to land and property they never owned, which is what the vast majority of Palestinians are doing. So a simple piece of paper either from the mandate or the Ottomans giving details of land ownership will settle the problems once and for all. The registry of the land is still in existence and extends back to 1850 so the Palestinians can give the caretakers their names and the details of the land to receive a copy of the registry details for that land. For a small sum of course to cover expenses.

Jordan never legitimately annexed the West Bank. It was always considered occupied.

Land ownership is irrelevant to citizen's rights.

 

[aris2chat]

You missed this point.

The Turkish citizens who normally lived inside Jordan's international borders became Jordanian citizens.

Different country.

As did the Palestinians who lived in the west bank after Jordan annexed the land in 1949. They are no longer Palestinians as the exercised free determination to become part of Jordan. They cant claim right of return to land and property they never owned, which is what the vast majority of Palestinians are doing. So a simple piece of paper either from the mandate or the Ottomans giving details of land ownership will settle the problems once and for all. The registry of the land is still in existence and extends back to 1850 so the Palestinians can give the caretakers their names and the details of the land to receive a copy of the registry details for that land. For a small sum of course to cover expenses.

Jordan never legitimately annexed the West Bank. It was always considered occupied.

Land ownership is irrelevant to citizen's rights.

Jordan annexed the West Bank, it just was not accepted by most countries. Jordan offered citizenship to the palestinians in the West Bank and Jordan as well as the position of PM to Arafat.

 

[MrMax]

You missed this point.

The Turkish citizens who normally lived inside Jordan's international borders became Jordanian citizens.

Different country.

As did the Palestinians who lived in the west bank after Jordan annexed the land in 1949. They are no longer Palestinians as the exercised free determination to become part of Jordan. They cant claim right of return to land and property they never owned, which is what the vast majority of Palestinians are doing. So a simple piece of paper either from the mandate or the Ottomans giving details of land ownership will settle the problems once and for all. The registry of the land is still in existence and extends back to 1850 so the Palestinians can give the caretakers their names and the details of the land to receive a copy of the registry details for that land. For a small sum of course to cover expenses.

Jordan never legitimately annexed the West Bank. It was always considered occupied.

Land ownership is irrelevant to citizen's rights.

Possession is 9/10ths of the law. Your move.

 

[Phoenall]

It is you that is not fooling anyone. You are attempting to hijack a thread. This thread is not about criticizing Muslims and their actions around the world. It is about the I/P situation. If you want to join a discussion about other Muslim issues, there are threads and discussion groups for it. If you would prefer that this discussion be shut down because there are posters that have a different opinion than you do about the I/P situation (the subject of the discussion) , then ask the moderators to shut it down.

By showing what the muslims are doing in other places highlights what they are doing in Palestine. And the fact is that the muslims are ethnically cleaning non muslims from Palestine.

http://www.persecution.org/category/countries/middle-east/palestinian-areas/

Christian Schools in Gaza Strip Threatened with Closure
Sunday, July 21st, 2013

As a result of a new degree issued by the Hamas government that oversees the Gaza strip five Christian schools are threatened to be unable to offer classes for more than 1000 students when classes are scheduled to start in September. The decree issued by the government places a ban on co-educational classes for all students over the age of 10. The result of this action, which is just another of the many pressures on Christians living in this area, will be that the schools are forced to close as the funds do not exist to recruit enough teachers or space and the impact will ripple through the community having effects on both the Christian and Muslim families who were served by the schools.

Should the persecution of Muslims by Buddhists in Burma be taken as a sign that all societies with Buddhists in the majority will persecute Muslims? Should Muslims viscerally hate all Buddhists as you lot hate Muslims because of the persecution?

US Congressional Panel: End Persecution of Muslims in Burma

US Congressional Panel: End Persecution of Muslims in Burma

This is not about Burma and Buddhists but about Palestine were the muslims are ethnically cleansing the Christians from the land.

Your words from above
You are attempting to hijack a thread. This thread is not about criticizing Muslims and their actions around the world. It is about the I/P situation So why are you trying to hijack the thread and take the argument away from the I/P situation

 

[Phoenall]

You missed this point.

The Turkish citizens who normally lived inside Jordan's international borders became Jordanian citizens.

Different country.

As did the Palestinians who lived in the west bank after Jordan annexed the land in 1949. They are no longer Palestinians as the exercised free determination to become part of Jordan. They cant claim right of return to land and property they never owned, which is what the vast majority of Palestinians are doing. So a simple piece of paper either from the mandate or the Ottomans giving details of land ownership will settle the problems once and for all. The registry of the land is still in existence and extends back to 1850 so the Palestinians can give the caretakers their names and the details of the land to receive a copy of the registry details for that land. For a small sum of course to cover expenses.

Jordan never legitimately annexed the West Bank. It was always considered occupied.

Land ownership is irrelevant to citizen's rights.

The Palestinians exercised their right to free determination by granting Jordan governmental rights over the land and people of the west bank. In effect declaring their intentions to be Jordanian citizens on Jordanian land. Under International law this was legal and allowed and it fulfilled the rights of the citizens of the west bank. The Palestinians accepted Jordan as its new nation/nationality and took part in free elections to decide who would represent them in the Jordanian parliament. Jordan did not need to annexe the west bank the inhabitants handed it to them on a plate, all wrapped up in legal red tape .

 

[Roudy]

It is you that is not fooling anyone. You are attempting to hijack a thread. This thread is not about criticizing Muslims and their actions around the world. It is about the I/P situation. If you want to join a discussion about other Muslim issues, there are threads and discussion groups for it. If you would prefer that this discussion be shut down because there are posters that have a different opinion than you do about the I/P situation (the subject of the discussion) , then ask the moderators to shut it down.

By showing what the muslims are doing in other places highlights what they are doing in Palestine. And the fact is that the muslims are ethnically cleaning non muslims from Palestine.

http://www.persecution.org/category/countries/middle-east/palestinian-areas/

Christian Schools in Gaza Strip Threatened with Closure
Sunday, July 21st, 2013

As a result of a new degree issued by the Hamas government that oversees the Gaza strip five Christian schools are threatened to be unable to offer classes for more than 1000 students when classes are scheduled to start in September. The decree issued by the government places a ban on co-educational classes for all students over the age of 10. The result of this action, which is just another of the many pressures on Christians living in this area, will be that the schools are forced to close as the funds do not exist to recruit enough teachers or space and the impact will ripple through the community having effects on both the Christian and Muslim families who were served by the schools.

Should the persecution of Muslims by Buddhists in Burma be taken as a sign that all societies with Buddhists in the majority will persecute Muslims? Should Muslims viscerally hate all Buddhists as you lot hate Muslims because of the persecution?

US Congressional Panel: End Persecution of Muslims in Burma

US Congressional Panel: End Persecution of Muslims in Burma

Again, it was the Muslims that tried to Islamicize Burma and started the violence and aggression. The Burmese decided not to put up with the usual shit from Muslims and did something about it.

All you are doing is pointing out hotspots where Muslims aren't "winning" in their aggression against non Muslims.

Islam is a cancer upon humanity. It cannot coexist with anybody.

[ame="http://youtube.com/watch?v=HxFGbWewTqs"]http://youtube.com/watch?v=HxFGbWewTqs[/ame]

 

[Roudy]

By showing what the muslims are doing in other places highlights what they are doing in Palestine. And the fact is that the muslims are ethnically cleaning non muslims from Palestine.

http://www.persecution.org/category/countries/middle-east/palestinian-areas/

Christian Schools in Gaza Strip Threatened with Closure
Sunday, July 21st, 2013

As a result of a new degree issued by the Hamas government that oversees the Gaza strip five Christian schools are threatened to be unable to offer classes for more than 1000 students when classes are scheduled to start in September. The decree issued by the government places a ban on co-educational classes for all students over the age of 10. The result of this action, which is just another of the many pressures on Christians living in this area, will be that the schools are forced to close as the funds do not exist to recruit enough teachers or space and the impact will ripple through the community having effects on both the Christian and Muslim families who were served by the schools.

Should the persecution of Muslims by Buddhists in Burma be taken as a sign that all societies with Buddhists in the majority will persecute Muslims? Should Muslims viscerally hate all Buddhists as you lot hate Muslims because of the persecution?

US Congressional Panel: End Persecution of Muslims in Burma

US Congressional Panel: End Persecution of Muslims in Burma

This is not about Burma and Buddhists but about Palestine were the muslims are ethnically cleansing the Christians from the land.

Your words from above
You are attempting to hijack a thread. This thread is not about criticizing Muslims and their actions around the world. It is about the I/P situation So why are you trying to hijack the thread and take the argument away from the I/P situation

This Sherri #3 even whines like Sherri #3. LOL

 

[Sally]

By showing what the muslims are doing in other places highlights what they are doing in Palestine. And the fact is that the muslims are ethnically cleaning non muslims from Palestine.

http://www.persecution.org/category/countries/middle-east/palestinian-areas/

Christian Schools in Gaza Strip Threatened with Closure
Sunday, July 21st, 2013

As a result of a new degree issued by the Hamas government that oversees the Gaza strip five Christian schools are threatened to be unable to offer classes for more than 1000 students when classes are scheduled to start in September. The decree issued by the government places a ban on co-educational classes for all students over the age of 10. The result of this action, which is just another of the many pressures on Christians living in this area, will be that the schools are forced to close as the funds do not exist to recruit enough teachers or space and the impact will ripple through the community having effects on both the Christian and Muslim families who were served by the schools.

Should the persecution of Muslims by Buddhists in Burma be taken as a sign that all societies with Buddhists in the majority will persecute Muslims? Should Muslims viscerally hate all Buddhists as you lot hate Muslims because of the persecution?

US Congressional Panel: End Persecution of Muslims in Burma

US Congressional Panel: End Persecution of Muslims in Burma

This is not about Burma and Buddhists but about Palestine were the muslims are ethnically cleansing the Christians from the land.

Your words from above
You are attempting to hijack a thread. This thread is not about criticizing Muslims and their actions around the world. It is about the I/P situation So why are you trying to hijack the thread and take the argument away from the I/P situation

Hey, no problem, Phoenall. We all know that there is more persecution of Christians by her Muslim brethren than there is persecution of Muslims. Perhaps she can show us from some Congressional Record where they are bringing up the persecution of Christians in many locations. People are becoming more aware that the Christians are the most persecuted group at this time, and the persecution is coming from the Muslims. We all know how the Pope is worried about what is going on.