A sobering question regarding US bombing Iran nuke program

[Eman623]

Basically, they made it dangerous.

Hardly. They've been killing each other in that part of the world for millenia. Long before the Jews came back.

 

[Zavulon]

That doesn't make sense. Russia is an oil exporter. They need to buy Iranian oil like Inuits need to buy snow and ice.

We do sell our oil and we can sell their oil too. More oil we sell (and control) - more money we have. Savvy?

In fact, Iran has nothing of any significant value that Russia wants, besides intricately woven rugs maybe. And Russia absolutely does not want a nuclear Iran on the shores of the Caspian.

Actually, Iran helped Russia very much with Shaheed UAVs and other nice things.
The possibility of the non-nuclear Iran, I believe, was just effectively eliminated by Trump. Iran will be nuclear. The only question which nukes will be on the shores of the Caspian - Russian, Chinese or American. No need to say, what option do we prefer.

You should tell them that.

Yep. We'll do.

If we wanted to get a few nukes to Ukraine, we would. We may have already done so. Maybe that's why Putin has not used tactical nukes on Ukranian targets yet.

Few nukes would change nothing. Especially if they are simple gravity bombs.

 

[j-mac]

Also high enriched Uranium is used in naval reactors (up to 93,5%), in medical-isotope producing reactors and in research reactors.

Yet, you can not show that Iran has any of that....

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[Rawley]

Didn’t we learn our lesson with Iraq and Afghanistan?

Yup. No boots on the ground, no nation building

 

[Zavulon]

Hardly. They've been killing each other in that part of the world for millenia. Long before the Jews came back.

No. People kill each other everythere. It's not a big deal. The problem is that Israel's regime decided to become a pawn in the game of larger players. The USA will leave them as they left Vietnam.

 

[Zavulon]

Yet, you can not show that Iran has any of that....

Understanding Iran's Naval Capabilities: Strategies and Strengths - Total Military Insight

Explore Iran's naval capabilities, including key assets, strategies, and technological innovations that shape its position in regional security and maritime defense.

totalmilitaryinsight.com

May be, they don't have them kow, but anyway you should to start with something. Like with a building reactor to a surface ship.

 

[Eman623]

We do sell our oil and we can sell their oil too. More oil we sell (and control) - more money we have. Savvy?

So Russia is going to buy oil from the Iranians so they can sell it? And that's going to earn Russia profit. Riiight!

Actually, Iran helped Russia very much with Shaheed UAVs and other nice things.

You might have a better argument here, but still no way does Putin pay for drones with nukes.

The possibility of the non-nuclear Iran, I believe, was just effectively eliminated by Trump. Iran will be nuclear. The only question which nukes will be on the shores of the Caspian - Russian, Chinese or American. No need to say, what option do we prefer.

Which nukes will be in Kiev pointed at Moscow, or in Taiwan pointed at Beijing?

Few nukes would change nothing. Especially if they are simple gravity bombs.

It would change everything.

 

[Eman623]

No. People kill each other everythere. It's not a big deal. The problem is that Israel's regime decided to become a pawn in the game of larger players. The USA will leave them as they left Vietnam.

Unlikely. While American presidents are not uniform in their support of Israel, they are our ally and will continue to be one for the foreseeable future. As it should be. They are the one liberal democracy in the region.

 

[Mac-7]

You know there are reasons we don't usually do crap like this.

Sure, we can claim Iran is a threat. But remember:

- Xi can claim Taiwan is a threat.

- Kim Jon Ung can claim South Korea is a threat.

- India can claim Pakistan is a threat.

- Turkey can claim Greece is a threat.

- and on and on and on...

Russia has already declared Ukraine a threat.

Will tRump declare Greenland or Canada a threat next?

The only warning we may get before WWIII stars is tRump making Barron a podiatry appointment.

Dont be a drama queen

Opposing Iran nuclear weapons is not something that trump and the MAGAs dreamed up for their own amusement

The world is on record as being against nukes for Iran

But except for trump and Benjamin Netanyahu no one had the gumption to stop them

Yes it is risky and not without some potentially bad consequences

Because the Irans do have ways of striking back

But not with nuclear weapons

 

[Zavulon]

So Russia is going to buy oil from the Iranians so they can sell it? And that's going to earn Russia profit. Riiight!

No. Not to "buy". Just as it was with Venezuela. "30% of your oil production is now belongs to Rosneft, and Americans don't dare to bother you." There are some schemes with share stocks, contracts and agreements but basically its simple. Sometimes like taxation for protection.

You might have a better argument here, but still no way does Putin pay for drones with nukes.

It depends. As I said, it might be a lesser evil.

Which nukes will be in Kiev pointed at Moscow, or in Taiwan pointed at Beijing?

No ones. B61 is a bomb. You need a plane to deliver it to its target.

It would change everything.

No. We are already much closer to a nuclear war than in any given time during Cold War. Actually, there is a high probability that there will be the first nuclear bursts before the end of this year.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Dmitry Medvedev already said that there is a group of countries who are ready to give nukes to Iran. Definitely, Russia is one of those countries and Medvedev is the person to talk with. Tomorrow, Iranian envoy fly to Moscow to discuss the issue.

Sooooo.........

Iran didn't want a nuclear bomb. They were not building their urnaium enrichment to do things like......well not build bombs.

But......now they suddenly want a bomb? Hmmmmm.

Not sure I trust their first claim.

Why not go looking for enriched uranium to do things like.....well not build bombs.

 

[HikerGuy83]

For what reason should they do it?

Given that they seem fixated on "Death to America", I am not sure there is any question of a reason.

 

[HikerGuy83]

All those 89,5 mlns will hate you and they'll elect even more fanatic leadership.

Not buying that....at all.

You can't change people without having boots on the ground, and, quite often, you can't change people even with them.

What they do is up to them. But, it won't be with the current nutjobs. Or any future nutjobs.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Tomorrow, Iranian envoy fly to Moscow to discuss the issue.

Not really worried for reasons already explained.

Especially, if they are not being secret about it. The second it hits their soil, it will become fallout.

 

[Rawley]

All those 89,5 mlns will hate you and they'll elect even more fanatic leadership. You can't change people without having boots on the ground, and, quite often, you can't change people even with them.

Why do you think even a majority of Iranians love the mullahs as much as you do?

 

[Eman623]

No. Not to "buy". Just as it was with Venezuela. "30% of your oil production is now belongs to Rosneft, and Americans don't dare to bother you." There are some schemes with share stocks, contracts and agreements but basically its simple. Sometimes like taxation for protection.

I don't see Iran doing that any more than Russia.

It depends. As I said, it might be a lesser evil.

It's not.

No ones. B61 is a bomb. You need a plane to deliver it to its target.

We would sell them a few missiles too.

No. We are already much closer to a nuclear war than in any given time during Cold War. Actually, there is a high probability that there will be the first nuclear bursts before the end of this year.

If nukes are used by anyone, nukes will be used against them - and their suppliers. That is the calculus of MAD and why it's kept the world nuke-free for 80 years.

 

[j-mac]

May be, they don't have them kow, but anyway you should to start with something. Like with a building reactor to a surface ship.

That’s it, I’m done with your nonsense.

 

[Crepitus]

Yep....got enough problems to deal with....without having a rouge fanatic state getting a bomb.

I vote don't let them have one.

You've missed the point yet again.

 

[Crepitus]

Dont be a drama queen

Opposing Iran nuclear weapons is not something that trump and the MAGAs dreamed up for their own amusement

The world is on record as being against nukes for Iran

But except for trump and Benjamin Netanyahu no one had the gumption to stop them

Yes it is risky and not without some potentially bad consequences

Because the Irans do have ways of striking back

But not with nuclear weapons

So now pointing out unpopular facts is "being a drama queen"?

 

[Mac-7]

So now pointing out unpopular facts is "being a drama queen"?

The way you do it certainly is