A Quick and Clear Summation of the Situation in Ukraine.

[AntonToo]

The talks about NATO membership started since at least 2007.

Even Russia was talking about possible NATO membership in Putin's early presidency. Maybe you fools needed to have a civil war over that instead of invading others.

In 2014 when Russians invaded Ukraine it had a NUETRALITY LAW on the books since 2011 and there was no talk left of any NATO untill that invasion.

Ukraine Says ’No’ to NATO | Pew Research Center

New Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych’s move to ban Ukraine from becoming a member of NATO is not without a base of public support.

www.pewresearch.org

And no, when "protesters" chant "Moscolyaku na gillaku" (The Russians to the gallows) they, among other things, demand the force that may cover them during mass-murders.

Thats a bullshit translation. Moscolyaku is a singular - meaning ONE Moscow servant - his name was Yanukovich.

You are just an ignorant, brainwashed fool, repeating all the classic Russian TV propaganda. You prove it with your every post.

 

[AntonToo]

But then there was WWII, and we won it. Europe unconditionally surrendered.

but but but.

Dumbass, you do know that UK and France are in Europe, right?

 

[Hyddan92]

In Ukraine the Nazis are part of the official Armed forces you clown, the whole political credo of the Regime in Kiev is infested with Nazi ideology of Bandera and other Nazi collaborators, the Galizien SS and Bandera are celebrated with public marches, nice try but no cigar.

Yes Ukraine did integrate paramilitaries into their army, not so fussed about if they had people with nazi sympathies though, but that's old news, they have been regular military units for years now. And Wagner was about as openly nazi as it gets, and horrible in many other ways as well. Right now Ukraine has a mobilized citizen army, the dudes from some old paramilitary group, nazi or not are long dead or out. Evidence of nazi symptahies among the Russian armed forces are also plentiful, so it's a ridiculous thing to accuse the Ukrainians of.

And yeah I know they like their national heroes. The USSR was absolutely horrible and many in eastern europe gladly fought together with whoever fought them, sympathies with Nazi ideology not necessary. If your people are being actively genocided and your enemy is being attacked by someone else would you not cooperate with them? It's hardly something they just did on a whim beacuse they thought national socialism was so great, if you think that you are a moron.

In Estonia f.ex. as much as 90.000 men served with the Germans, out of a population of 1.5 million. That's how much they hated the soviets. Beacuse the soviets had occupied them, executed their elite, deported a large chunk to gulag camps in Siberia and in all ways tried to eradicate their nation, language and culture. It's easy to sit in modern times across the pond in a country with no memory of being threatened or even less so occupied and genocided by a foreign force and judge the people living under such hardships. It's very easy to do and it makes you look like a spoiled ****.

God damn it, why do you so readily gobble up all the russian bullshit ejaculated your way?

 

[Hyddan92]

Its depends on definitions. You believe that Nazies are guys who don't like Jews and Homosexuals. Russians believe that Nazies are those, who don't like Russians.


Because he was a great composer?

Indeed that's the Russian point of view and from that perspective the UAF is full of Nazis.

Sure he was, and Hitler's favourite.

 

[Deadstick]

Yes Ukraine did integrate paramilitaries into their army, not so fussed about if they had people with nazi sympathies though, but that's old news, they have been regular military units for years now. And Wagner was about as openly nazi as it gets, and horrible in many other ways as well. Right now Ukraine has a mobilized citizen army, the dudes from some old paramilitary group, nazi or not are long dead or out. Evidence of nazi symptahies among the Russian armed forces are also plentiful, so it's a ridiculous thing to accuse the Ukrainians of.

And yeah I know they like their national heroes. The USSR was absolutely horrible and many in eastern europe gladly fought together with whoever fought them, sympathies with Nazi ideology not necessary. If your people are being actively genocided and your enemy is being attacked by someone else would you not cooperate with them? It's hardly something they just did on a whim beacuse they thought national socialism was so great, if you think that you are a moron.

In Estonia f.ex. as much as 90.000 men served with the Germans, out of a population of 1.5 million. That's how much they hated the soviets. Beacuse the soviets had occupied them, executed their elite, deported a large chunk to gulag camps in Siberia and in all ways tried to eradicate their nation, language and culture. It's easy to sit in modern times across the pond in a country with no memory of being threatened or even less so occupied and genocided by a foreign force and judge the people living under such hardships. It's very easy to do and it makes you look like a spoiled ****.

God damn it, why do you so readily gobble up all the russian bullshit ejaculated your way?

Stop excusing Nazis and Nazi collaborators who took an active part in the Holocaust, on the fist day of the German occupation of Kiev those bastards started murdering Jews and anyone else they didn't like, then over twenty thousand were exterminated at Baby Yar just outside Kiev, and Wagner were not openly Nazi WTF are you barking about? we came very close to being occupied and exterminated by the Nazis after Dunkirk but we defeated the Luftwaffe in the Battle of Britain, Ukrainians with Nazi views old news? behave yourself.

 

[Deadstick]

Even Russia was talking about possible NATO membership in Putin's early presidency. Maybe you fools needed to have a civil war over that instead of invading others.

In 2014 when Russians invaded Ukraine it had a NUETRALITY LAW on the books since 2011 and there was no talk left of any NATO untill that invasion.

Ukraine Says ’No’ to NATO | Pew Research Center

New Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych’s move to ban Ukraine from becoming a member of NATO is not without a base of public support.

www.pewresearch.org

Thats a bullshit translation. Moscolyaku is a singular - meaning ONE Moscow servant - his name was Yanukovich.

You are just an ignorant, brainwashed fool, repeating all the classic Russian TV propaganda. You prove it with your every post.

Yes at one time when Russia thought they were dealing with normal people they did indeed mention joining NATO, but they were rejected out of hand, i mean why would NATO even need to exist if the Russians were part of it? the excuse of the Russian threat wouldn't be there that the West needed.

 

[AntonToo]

Yes at one time when Russia thought they were dealing with normal people

A country that keeps invading other countries to grab some land is not normal you idiot.

 

[Deadstick]

A country that keeps invading other countrie to grab some land is not normal you idiot.

Don't make me post a list of all the Countries the West has invaded over the past thirty years or so, you won't like it you idiot trust me.

 

[AntonToo]

Don't make me post a list of all the Countries the West has invaded over the past thirty years or so, you won't like it you idiot trust me.

In the past 30 years exactly ZERO inches of another country's land was annexed by any western country.

You are posting bullshit.

 

[Deadstick]

In the past 30 years exactly ZERO inches of another country's land was annexed by any western country.

You are posting bullshit.

Kosovo for one where the US have a huge military base, parts of Syria where they have been stealing oil and its not just about occupation the US have bombed many Countries to impose their will on people since the end of WW2, you are full of shit and a apologist for Imperialism, you probably think Brutal European Colonialism was a good idea that killed and enslaved millions.this is the latest reult of US supported terrorism civilians massacred by your new best Al Qaeda friend Julani in Syria.

Over 140 Killed In Multiple Massacres As Rebellion Breaks Out On Syrian Coast (18+ Videos)

An armed rebellion broke out on the Syrian coast on March 6 with a large paramilitary force mainly made up...

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[AntonToo]

Kosovo for one where the US have a huge military base

US has many millitary bases on NOT AMERICAN land dummy.

In no way does that indicate some sort of territorial annexation.

 

[Zavulon]

but but but.

Dumbass, you do know that UK and France are in Europe, right?

Yep. And they lost their colonial empires. Anyway, they decided to more or less surrender to America and Russia.

 

[AntonToo]

Yep. And they lost their colonial empires.

What the **** does that have to do with your claim that Europe suppposedly surrendered to Soviets in WW2?

Nothing. You know you are full of crap and are trying to change topic.

 

[Zavulon]

US has many millitary bases on NOT AMERICAN land dummy.

In no way does that indicate some sort of territorial annexation.

Kosovo specifically is asking for a permanent American base.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/kosovo-asks-us-permanent-military-base-speedier-nato-membership-2022-02-27/

Kosovo is a part of Serbia, illegally occupied by NATO countries and Albanian terrorists. It simply has no right to ask for anything.

 

[Zavulon]

What the **** does that have to do with your claim that Europe suppposedly surrendered to Soviets in WW2?

Nothing. You know you are full of crap and are trying to change topic.

Europe surrendered to both Soviets and Americans. Or, more specifically, America and Russia divided Europe. It was ok, until the USA came where there they don't belong.

 

[lg325]

https://www.npr.org/2025/02/17/nx-s1-5299819/rubio-saudi-arabia-gaza-ceasefire-ukraine

The latest

 

[Deadstick]

US has many millitary bases on NOT AMERICAN land dummy.

In no way does that indicate some sort of territorial annexation.

Stolen land in Kosovo you asshole where they put a drug dealing terrorist in charge.
read this list clown.
Here is a list* of the countries bombed and/or invaded by the United States from the end of the Second World War to 2020:

Afghanistan 1998, 2001- Bosnia 1994, 1995 Cambodia 1969-70 China 1945-46 Congo 1964 Cuba 1959-1961 El Salvador 1980s Korea 1950-53 Guatemala 1954, 1960, 1967-69 Indonesia 1958

Laos 1964-73 Grenada 1983 Iraq 1991-2000s, 2015- Iran 1987 Korea 1950-53 Kuwait 1991 Lebanon 1983, 1984 Libya 1986, 2011- Nicaragua 1980s Pakistan 2003, 2006-

Palestine 2010 Panama 1989 Peru 1965 Somalia 1993, 2007-08, 2010- Sudan 1998 Syria 2014- Vietnam 1961-73 Yemen 2002, 2009- Yugoslavia 1999

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[The Sage of Main Street]

I don't understand Why Sage supports Russia.

If You've Heard of Somebody, Don't Listen to Him

It's just little ol' me against the snob mob of megaton mikes. You know you've been let down by the Talking Heads time and time again. Why do you have any respect at all left for those hired Influencers?

I believe the same thing Trump does. Like Yeltsin did, he'll have to dissolve Congress if the Republican Russophobes try to block him from making trillions in profits for America from trade with Russia.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

They fall for it every time, same in the UK, not everyone but many of the ignorant herd who don't know a damn thing about the subject or history,the Establishment sold the Iraq war they sold the Libyan war they sold the war against Serbia, they sold the attack on Syria by jihadis / moderate rebels and the herd want more of it, all those wars were sold on a pack of lies, all of them and the same bastards helped by the tame Media are doing it again with Ukraine.

Shofar and We Will Go Far

The sheep in the "herd" are castrated rams. The people didn't do that to themselves and can't be blamed for being fleeced and butchered by the Good Shepherds.

 

[AntonToo]

Europe surrendered to both Soviets and Americans

When did England surrender to anyone dummy?

What the hell is wrong with you?