A question for the pro-abortion aka pro-choice crowd

[koshergrl]

Excuse me, are you for or against legal abortion and the legalization of marijuana?

See "promote definition":

"To help bring an enterprise into being".

Idiot. Why do people who haven't even a minimal command of the language insist on debating topics that center around their blind spots?

Keep saying me not wanting something outlawed is the same as promoting it.



Do you smoke cigarrettes? If not, do you want them outlawed?

S/h/it sounds like Bachmann.

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Again, arguing to points that were never made.

 

[Luissa]

Pss...prevention of pregnancy means you prevent the pregnancy.

Not terminate it.

Again, those pesky definitions..they do get in the way when you're promoting wholesale slaughter of infants, don't they?

You do realize PP deals more in birth control, than it does abortion, right?

 

[Luissa]

Hmmm...trying to explain away the inability to comprehend English with the use of bad grammar and syntax.

Win/win.

If you support, on a public board, the legalization of marijuana and the killing of babies, guess what that is?

PROMOTION.

Sorry, words do mean something. Even if you don't understand them.

You are an idiot, and pretty much a troll. Just sayin!

Didn't you already say that?



Shall I post the definition of troll?

Um, that is the same post.

Not my fault you quoted it twice.

 

[InDoctriNation]

Pss...prevention of pregnancy means you prevent the pregnancy.

Not terminate it.

Again, those pesky definitions..they do get in the way when you're promoting wholesale slaughter of infants, don't they?

You do realize PP deals more in birth control, than it does abortion, right?

Careful, according to koshergrl you're being disingenuous if you bring up anything other than abortion in this thread, even if it is obviously directly related to abortion.

 

[koshergrl]

Pss...prevention of pregnancy means you prevent the pregnancy.

Not terminate it.

Again, those pesky definitions..they do get in the way when you're promoting wholesale slaughter of infants, don't they?

You do realize PP deals more in birth control, than it does abortion, right?

To pretend we were talking about pregnancy prevention instead of abortion..
wait, I already said that. Another lib who can't read? Shocker.

 

[koshergrl]

Pss...prevention of pregnancy means you prevent the pregnancy.

Not terminate it.

Again, those pesky definitions..they do get in the way when you're promoting wholesale slaughter of infants, don't they?

You do realize PP deals more in birth control, than it does abortion, right?

Careful, according to koshergrl you're being disingenuous if you bring up anything other than abortion in this thread, even if it is obviously directly related to abortion.

No, according to me you're being disingenuous if you pretend we were discussing a topic that we weren't.

And which is of course not related to abortion. As I said, prevention is not the same as abortion. Though I certainly understand the mindset that wants to fudge that line.

 

[InDoctriNation]

You do realize PP deals more in birth control, than it does abortion, right?

Careful, according to koshergrl you're being disingenuous if you bring up anything other than abortion in this thread, even if it is obviously directly related to abortion.

No, according to me you're being disingenuous if you pretend we were discussing a topic that we weren't.

And which is of course not related to abortion. As I said, prevention is not the same as abortion. Though I certainly understand the mindset that wants to fudge that line.

Apparently you're having a tough time understanding the difference between the phrases "related to" and "the same as." Birth control is related to abortion in the sense that it prevents abortions from happening by preventing pregnancy. Planned Parenthood is by and large a birth control provider and serves the purpose of educating people about how to prevent pregnancy, thus preventing abortions. I don't know how you could have possibly interpreted any argument made for an equivalency between abortion and birth control, but you were able to apparently. That takes stupid skill.

 

[koshergrl]

Go ahead and obsess on that all you like. As I said, arguing to a point that was never made. I didn't bring up or refer to pregnancy prevention until it was thrown into the mix as a distraction.

I won't discuss the two issues as if they are the same. They aren't.

 

[HotDogg]

Anyone who's against choice for women is a communist and should be kicked out of the US.

 

[koshergrl]

Anyone who's against choice for women is a communist and should be kicked out of the US.

Hmm..commies are generally pro-abortion..at least in China they are.

 

[HotDogg]

Anyone who's against choice for women is a communist and should be kicked out of the US.

Hmm..commies are generally pro-abortion..at least in China they are.

Being against choice means that you want to make the decision for that person, just like a communist.

 

[koshergrl]

No, choice ends at murder. You don't get to choose to murder other people. Rights end when via exercising them, you deprive others of their rights.

 

[HotDogg]

No, choice ends at murder. You don't get to choose to murder other people. Rights end when via exercising them, you deprive others of their rights.

A fetus isn't a person, so no rights are being violated. You just think that you should choose for everyone, just like a good commie.

 

[koshergrl]

Anyone who's against choice for women is a communist and should be kicked out of the US.

Hmm..commies are generally pro-abortion..at least in China they are.

Being against choice means that you want to make the decision for that person, just like a communist.

"Legalized abortion has it roots in Marxism, socialism, and egalitarianism. Lenin and his communist Bolsheviks were the first ones to widely and openly legalize and advocate abortion as a woman's right. Communism viewed abortion as a vital part of implementing Marx's and Engel's Communist Manifesto and their desire for the 'Abolition of the family!' and liberation of women who were oppressed by capitalism, marriage, and the family. Modern day Marxists are proud of their pro-abortion heritage and are still leading proponents of abortion as seen by the short article Marxism and Abortion"

"' 'A Marxist believes that personality and human value are imparted by the external and economic environment, not by any inherent spiritual value, or even by biological processes . . . . The fetus, according to a Marxist, becomes a person when he is judged as such by 'someone of higher wisdom.' The humanity of the fetus depends upon how the mother perceives the 'social relationship' that exists between them. If the mother desires to keep the baby, then she 'fantasizes' it into becoming a human being. But, if she does not want the pregnancy, 'it is something else entirely.' Her opinion of the fetus thereby denies it of personhood . . . . 'Biological processes,' says Albury, 'do not carry automatic moral values as the Right to Life suggests . . . . Human economic, social and political relationships create moral values.' . . . According to Albury, 'Material conditions of life change, and so do moral values.' This means that, to a Marxist, the unborn baby may be a human being for a time, but may then become depersonified and rendered 'pre-human,' all because his or her mother began to think differently about him or her. She adds: 'Certainly, many women experience mixed feelings; the fantasy baby may even appear for a while. Women can tell it goodbye forever.'' The article concludes with this comment by Dr. John Whitehall: 'The inhumanity of communism resides in this arbitrary assessment of human life, which is based on the Marxist valuation of certain social relationships. On this basis, millions have been told 'goodbye'--from the purges of Russia , to the genocide in Cambodia , to the killings in the Philippines , and now to the unborn baby.'

The Free Market Case Against Abortion | Strike-The-Root: A Journal Of Liberty

 

[manu1959]

all things are done for selfish reasons .. abortion is simply one of them ...

 

[koshergrl]

Do you people deliberately post idiocies that are the polar opposite of the truth? Or are you really just that ignorant?

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Decades before the legalization of abortion in the U.S., ex-Communist Whittaker Chambers would explain how the abortion mentality was the communist mentality. “Abortion was a commonplace of party life,” he wrote in his classic 1952 work Witness. “There were Communist doctors who rendered that service for a small fee. Communists who were more choosy knew liberal doctors who would render the same service for a larger fee. Abortion, which now fills me with physical horror, I then regarded, like all Communists, as a mere physical manipulation.”



Abortion and America’s Future

 

[HotDogg]

Kosherbeotch, you want to take people's choice over their own bodies away, you're nuts.

 

[koshergrl]

No longer claiming right to life is a communist stance?

How funny.

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The Family Code’s progressive ideals were ahead of the rest of Europe. Russia became the first country in Europe to make abortion legal, which it did in November of 1920. Women ended up having to use abortion more and more often as the ideals that were meant to liberate them crumbled leaving them buried beneath the rubble."

The Limits of Liberation; The ideals and realities of early Soviet family policy « Russophilia; My Love Affair with Russia

 

[HotDogg]

So you'd force women to give birth? How?

 

[koshergrl]

Don't be more of an idiot than you've already proven yourself to be.