I see undocumented aliens getting sanctuary without the consent of the local constituency. Now, I see 3 Mexicans in booth at the DMV clearly marked one person per booth (on cell phones which where also banned). And the newly passed Moter-Voter law...And the local politicians creating "sanctuary" for undocumented foreigners. Many of us are so disgusted with our so called state "governments". What can we do? Vote for Trump or something? What's the alternative?Amen!"An avidity to punish is always dangerous to liberty. It leads men to stretch, to misinterpret, and to misapply even the best of laws. He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." Thomas Paine
Lol amen your idiot buddy there
How is defending illegals collecting benefits from state government burrecracies fit into the libertarian movement and belief systems
Many state social service programs at thier core are anti liberty..... rules and regulations apply to all who collect ...people are wards of the state in a way .even a set of guidelines on who gets what and what qualified a person to be eligible to collect
ya know the topic of the thread is mexicans went home because they lost thier jobs and couldnt collect corona cash ...a true libertarain would be calling for the abolishment of these institutions as easily as you're calling for non regualted wide open borders free from government .
Free market starve or eat on your own for all...come back n forth across the border on your own for all ...that would make much more logical sense then repeatedly calling everyone who doesnt agree a bigot
You guys are shot and living in dreamworld
One thing I despise is a LIAR. YOU ARE A PATHOLOGICAL LIAR. We forfeited our Liberties and the Tea Party Republicans passed Orwellian laws (i.e. the National ID / REAL ID Act - E Verify) on the promise it was going to keep undocumented foreigners from getting welfare and freebies. And here YOUR LYING ASS is, misrepresenting my every post, wanting more and more POLICE STATE intervention. Now that you've moved the bar to "state" benefits, I live in Georgia and have no legal say so in at least 49 other states in this Union. I can tell you that undocumented foreigners here get very very limited benefits - usually those that could save you.
Sanctuary was won by right wing conservatives. Sheriffs did not want to enforce unconstitutional gun laws. So, the United States Supreme Court ruled that the federal government cannot command state and local governments, forcing them to enforce federal laws. State and local governments that do not want to enforce federal immigration laws cannot be forced to do so. The short sighted thinking of the anti - liberty / POLICE STATE / MAGA supporters is to somehow overthrow sanctuary because of people they call "illegal aliens." IF those people prevail, gun owners would have NO recourse except to surrender to federal gun control laws even when their governor agrees that the feds actions may be unconstitutional. I could come up with a few more scenarios where having sanctuary is necessary. But, then this post would be TLDR.
Voting for Donald Trump does nothing to help you. Trump cannot over-rule the holding in the United States Supreme Court and if gun owners found out he made it possible for a legal federal gun confiscation scenario to take place, if Americans didn't rebel, then the ultimate POLICE STATE could not be refuted or dismissed. It would be official.
Unless and until those obsessed over the issue level with us, NOBODY can tell them what viable alternatives they may have. So, which bothers you? Are you upset because you think they violated some sacred law OR do you see immigration in general as being antithetical to our values?
She made 4 points in her post.
1. The local governments not representing their constituents.
2. The immigrants not respecting the laws or culture of her society.
3. The inability of the political system to deal with it,
4. and the lack of alternatives for the People.
Your response addressed none of her issues, but did contain significant elements of snark and ridicule.
You're posting silliness. I have not ridiculed the woman at all. Neither am I being snarky. She is an immigrant. MaryL. in this thread and others is against sanctuary. The problem is, many Second Amendment Sanctuary Cities are popping up all over America so that the feds cannot force state and local governments from enforcing unconstitutional federal gun control laws. She doesn't want to accept that.
Local governments ARE representing their constituents. It's just that the left is winning out on this immigration issue. Why? The people like you and MaryL. have failed to state a cause of action upon which relief may be granted. If you look at the numbers of foreigners that were entering the United States and the numbers of undocumented foreigners we had a quarter of a century ago, it's been pretty consistent in terms of the percentages. In other words, the feds are controlling it. They just aren't controlling it to the liking of the right. There are NO alternatives to an issue you cannot articulate. For example, if you tell me you are getting your boxers in a bunch over foreigners violating a civil misdemeanor of the law that, in a worst case scenario, nets them a $250 fine and a few months in jail, then I'd say you need Dr. Phil. Drunk drivers pose a much more serious threat.
If you're just mad because they aren't citizens, then the government can offer them citizenship. Insofar as immigrants not respecting the laws or culture of OUR society (she's an immigrant IIRC), then it clearly is NOT a legal issue. The overwhelming majority of the so - called "legal" variety of immigrants don't respect your culture OR your laws. They want to repeal all of them. It is up to the voters to elect knowledgeable public servants that can and will pass laws consistent with the Constitution in order to deal with this.
Our political class sabotages any candidates that want to do that. Our media lies about them. Our political class lies about their intent and the effects of their laws and policies.
ANd, responding to her point with a comment about "sacred laws" is snark.
And what do you mean, "she is an immigrant"?
IIRC in a post on another thread I thought she said she came here "legally." I might be mistaken; it may have been her parents. In any case, she is the product of what her parents or the cults have taught her. MaryL. consistently refuses to answer questions I've asked such as "Have you ever read the Constitution?" When I ask if someone believes that foreigners violated some sacred law, it's not meant to be snarky, it is an honest and objective question.
Coming into the United States without papers is the federal equivalent of making an improper U Turn. It is, technically speaking, a federal civil misdemeanor. The United States Supreme Court has gone so far as to state that it is not a crime to be in the United States without papers. So, knowing that this is statutory law and has been ruled on by the United States Supreme Court, it's not the fault of any legislator at any level because the United States Supreme Court has claimed that THEY, not we, the sheeple, are the final arbiters of what the law is. Barring a constitutional amendment, you're mostly out of options since the legislators and not even Trump can over-rule the United States Supreme Court - well, it hasn't been done since the high Court declared themselves to be the most powerful branch of government (around 1804 IIRC in Marbury v. Madison.)
Without knowing, specifically, what your objectives really are, I cannot offer up a solution. I asked once before if they gave all the undocumented foreigners citizenship. would that allay your fears? Between about 1987 and 2001 I know that those kinds of "amnesties" have taken place. There were more than half a dozen or so. Since nobody has challenged the constitutionality of those amnesties, I have to put that on the table. Everybody seems to be at peace with those who were given citizenship.
And, I keep coming back to the fact that, like it or not, we force people to become citizens as opposed to simply exercising their unalienable Rights and once they outnumber us, they vote in politicians that don't see things like you and MaryL. want them to be. And they are the majority now. The only reason Trump is in office is due to the electoral college, NOT the popular vote. So, today, try being honest with me and I will give you a no nonsense evaluation of what is open to you and why.
1. I comment on the reality of the issue, and you cite an Authority. That is not an answer to the merit of her point. Outsiders are coming into her community, against her wishes and the wishes of her community. Her complaint about that is valid.
2. I already discussed the failure of our Political Class, as a general point. (re your discussion of the Court and the amnesties.)
3. We do not force people to become citizens. We forbid them to come here by law. That the law is not enforced by those who's job it is to do so, does not make it right. Your claim otherwise is very odd.
4. Yes, they are a majority now, when combined with white liberals. It does not bode well for our civilization. Dark times are likely coming, and soon.