A Look at the Senate Democrats' JOBS & INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN FOR AMERICA’S WORKERS

[Oldstyle]

As for the effect that Cap & Trade WOULD have had? Thankfully the voters realized that giving power to the far left of the Democratic Party was bad for the country and they voted out the largest number of one party in the modern political era so we didn't get to see how bad that would have cratered our economy!

 

[danielpalos]

From your link.......

In the long-term, the plan is revenue-neutral – savings from closing some corporate tax loopholes will benefit corporations in the form of lower tax rates and increased tax subsidies.

Your point being?

A tax cut that didn't actually cut taxes.

How so? Would manufacturing companies not see a tax cut from 38% to 25%? I believe they would

Remember a similar analysis scored Trumps tax plan at adding trillion to the deficit. Doesn’t a revenue neutral plan sound a little better to you?

The Senate’s Official Scorekeeper Says the Republican Tax Plan Would Add $1 Trillion to the Deficit

How so?

From your own link.....again

In the long-term, the plan is revenue-neutral – savings from closing some corporate tax loopholes

It is not revenue neutral. Paul Ryan said he could get the rate down to 25% based on the tax loopholes that they had agreed to. It got down to 21% by taking money from individuals.

A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage could help Labor pay for infrastructure and create more consumer demand.

 

[Oldstyle]

Your point being?

A tax cut that didn't actually cut taxes.

How so? Would manufacturing companies not see a tax cut from 38% to 25%? I believe they would

Remember a similar analysis scored Trumps tax plan at adding trillion to the deficit. Doesn’t a revenue neutral plan sound a little better to you?

The Senate’s Official Scorekeeper Says the Republican Tax Plan Would Add $1 Trillion to the Deficit

How so?

From your own link.....again

In the long-term, the plan is revenue-neutral – savings from closing some corporate tax loopholes

It is not revenue neutral. Paul Ryan said he could get the rate down to 25% based on the tax loopholes that they had agreed to. It got down to 21% by taking money from individuals.

A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage could help Labor pay for infrastructure and create more consumer demand.

All a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage will do is eliminate about a hundred thousand "entry level" jobs and start an instant tidal wave of wage increase demands from everyone who's no longer working for minimum wage! At the end of the day...you haven't done anything except cause inflation and lots of it!

 

[danielpalos]

A tax cut that didn't actually cut taxes.

How so? Would manufacturing companies not see a tax cut from 38% to 25%? I believe they would

Remember a similar analysis scored Trumps tax plan at adding trillion to the deficit. Doesn’t a revenue neutral plan sound a little better to you?

The Senate’s Official Scorekeeper Says the Republican Tax Plan Would Add $1 Trillion to the Deficit

How so?

From your own link.....again

In the long-term, the plan is revenue-neutral – savings from closing some corporate tax loopholes

It is not revenue neutral. Paul Ryan said he could get the rate down to 25% based on the tax loopholes that they had agreed to. It got down to 21% by taking money from individuals.

A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage could help Labor pay for infrastructure and create more consumer demand.

All a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage will do is eliminate about a hundred thousand "entry level" jobs and start an instant tidal wave of wage increase demands from everyone who's no longer working for minimum wage! At the end of the day...you haven't done anything except cause inflation and lots of it!

so what; low wage jobs are useless since they don't pay enough or pay generate enough tax revenue, anyway. don't try to avoid it, right wingers.

 

[danielpalos]

In California, strategically located new cities could also integrate water pumping capability and "city cisterns".

 

[danielpalos]

How about a hypothetical, "Trump City", to get it passed Congress?

 

[Slade3200]

You still haven't answered the question why with the economy in serious trouble and millions out of work in the Private Sector..you progressives went after healthcare reform and Cap & Trade legislation...two things that would cause jobs not to be created!

That's taking advantage of a crisis to pass parts of a liberal agenda that you've wanted for decades...while you ignore the suffering of millions!

Jobs were created and unemployment has been decreasing for 8 years now down to historic lows, so the track we’ve been on has been pretty good. They went for healthcare because healthcare was in serious need of reform. Prices were sky rocketing, people were being taken advantage of by insurance agencies, and sick people weren’t getting coverage. The ACA wasn’t meant to creat jobs it was meant to help sick people. It was poorly executed and there were also broken promises so I give it a C.

 

[mikegriffith1]

A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage could help Labor pay for infrastructure and create more consumer demand.

Even Warren Buffet has said that this is a bad idea. Every time we raise the minimum wage, we lose a bunch of jobs, because, contrary to what liberals seem to think, not all businesses are making huge profits or have some magical money tree. The Earned Income Tax Credit is a much better way to help low-income workers. It spreads the cost much more broadly instead of placing all the cost on businesses.

 

[ThisIsMe]

I think the left is on to something here! I think we should go back to the days when corporate tax rates were over 38%, and income tax on the wealthy were near 70%!

Let's tax the rich and their businesses at a high rate and give all of that money back to the people....

It's just my sheer morbid curiosity that wonders what this country would look like in 5 to 10 years if people got their wishes and were able to make massive tax increases happen on rich people and their companies.

 

[Oldstyle]

You still haven't answered the question why with the economy in serious trouble and millions out of work in the Private Sector..you progressives went after healthcare reform and Cap & Trade legislation...two things that would cause jobs not to be created!

That's taking advantage of a crisis to pass parts of a liberal agenda that you've wanted for decades...while you ignore the suffering of millions!

Jobs were created and unemployment has been decreasing for 8 years now down to historic lows, so the track we’ve been on has been pretty good. They went for healthcare because healthcare was in serious need of reform. Prices were sky rocketing, people were being taken advantage of by insurance agencies, and sick people weren’t getting coverage. The ACA wasn’t meant to creat jobs it was meant to help sick people. It was poorly executed and there were also broken promises so I give it a C.

A "C"? You give a "C" to legislation that was designed by it's creators to fail? Legislation that was so flawed that Democratic leaders had to bribe fellow Democrats to get them to sign on? What would you have to do to get a D or an F?

 

[Oldstyle]

How so? Would manufacturing companies not see a tax cut from 38% to 25%? I believe they would

Remember a similar analysis scored Trumps tax plan at adding trillion to the deficit. Doesn’t a revenue neutral plan sound a little better to you?

The Senate’s Official Scorekeeper Says the Republican Tax Plan Would Add $1 Trillion to the Deficit

How so?

From your own link.....again

In the long-term, the plan is revenue-neutral – savings from closing some corporate tax loopholes

It is not revenue neutral. Paul Ryan said he could get the rate down to 25% based on the tax loopholes that they had agreed to. It got down to 21% by taking money from individuals.

A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage could help Labor pay for infrastructure and create more consumer demand.

All a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage will do is eliminate about a hundred thousand "entry level" jobs and start an instant tidal wave of wage increase demands from everyone who's no longer working for minimum wage! At the end of the day...you haven't done anything except cause inflation and lots of it!

so what; low wage jobs are useless since they don't pay enough or pay generate enough tax revenue, anyway. don't try to avoid it, right wingers.

Sigh...for about the millionth time...minimum wage jobs are not supposed to be jobs you raise a family on or keep to retirement! They are ENTRY LEVEL JOBS! You do them until you've learned job skills to qualify for a better paying job. When you take away entry level jobs by raising the minimum wage you prevent young people and people without job skills from getting a start in the jobs market. It's idiotic and it hurts the very people that you purport to support!

 

[danielpalos]

A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage could help Labor pay for infrastructure and create more consumer demand.

Even Warren Buffet has said that this is a bad idea. Every time we raise the minimum wage, we lose a bunch of jobs, because, contrary to what liberals seem to think, not all businesses are making huge profits or have some magical money tree. The Earned Income Tax Credit is a much better way to help low-income workers. It spreads the cost much more broadly instead of placing all the cost on businesses.

we don't care if we lose, low wage jobs.

 

[danielpalos]

I think the left is on to something here! I think we should go back to the days when corporate tax rates were over 38%, and income tax on the wealthy were near 70%!

Let's tax the rich and their businesses at a high rate and give all of that money back to the people....

It's just my sheer morbid curiosity that wonders what this country would look like in 5 to 10 years if people got their wishes and were able to make massive tax increases happen on rich people and their companies.

better public policies if we required wartime tax rates for alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror.

 

[danielpalos]

How so?

From your own link.....again

In the long-term, the plan is revenue-neutral – savings from closing some corporate tax loopholes

It is not revenue neutral. Paul Ryan said he could get the rate down to 25% based on the tax loopholes that they had agreed to. It got down to 21% by taking money from individuals.

A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage could help Labor pay for infrastructure and create more consumer demand.

All a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage will do is eliminate about a hundred thousand "entry level" jobs and start an instant tidal wave of wage increase demands from everyone who's no longer working for minimum wage! At the end of the day...you haven't done anything except cause inflation and lots of it!

so what; low wage jobs are useless since they don't pay enough or pay generate enough tax revenue, anyway. don't try to avoid it, right wingers.

Sigh...for about the millionth time...minimum wage jobs are not supposed to be jobs you raise a family on or keep to retirement! They are ENTRY LEVEL JOBS! You do them until you've learned job skills to qualify for a better paying job. When you take away entry level jobs by raising the minimum wage you prevent young people and people without job skills from getting a start in the jobs market. It's idiotic and it hurts the very people that you purport to support!

means nothing; social services cost around fourteen dollars an hour by comparison.

And, Labor will be able to consume more, and pay more in consumption taxes.

 

[Slade3200]

You still haven't answered the question why with the economy in serious trouble and millions out of work in the Private Sector..you progressives went after healthcare reform and Cap & Trade legislation...two things that would cause jobs not to be created!

That's taking advantage of a crisis to pass parts of a liberal agenda that you've wanted for decades...while you ignore the suffering of millions!

Jobs were created and unemployment has been decreasing for 8 years now down to historic lows, so the track we’ve been on has been pretty good. They went for healthcare because healthcare was in serious need of reform. Prices were sky rocketing, people were being taken advantage of by insurance agencies, and sick people weren’t getting coverage. The ACA wasn’t meant to creat jobs it was meant to help sick people. It was poorly executed and there were also broken promises so I give it a C.

A "C"? You give a "C" to legislation that was designed by it's creators to fail? Legislation that was so flawed that Democratic leaders had to bribe fellow Democrats to get them to sign on? What would you have to do to get a D or an F?

According to your BS talking points then yes it would be an F, but those just aren’t true and most people know it. Why then couldn’t a Republican majority congress repeal it ? Something so horribly bad should be an easy repeal. You’re not being honest

 

[sartre play]

Party & money over country, claiming that everything wrong is the fault of one party borders on stupid. Government is run by people no person is perfect. the worst politican will have a few good ideas. letting go of our right or left only thinking could lead to forcing our leaders to work towards the good for all.

 

[Oldstyle]

It is not revenue neutral. Paul Ryan said he could get the rate down to 25% based on the tax loopholes that they had agreed to. It got down to 21% by taking money from individuals.

A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage could help Labor pay for infrastructure and create more consumer demand.

All a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage will do is eliminate about a hundred thousand "entry level" jobs and start an instant tidal wave of wage increase demands from everyone who's no longer working for minimum wage! At the end of the day...you haven't done anything except cause inflation and lots of it!

so what; low wage jobs are useless since they don't pay enough or pay generate enough tax revenue, anyway. don't try to avoid it, right wingers.

Sigh...for about the millionth time...minimum wage jobs are not supposed to be jobs you raise a family on or keep to retirement! They are ENTRY LEVEL JOBS! You do them until you've learned job skills to qualify for a better paying job. When you take away entry level jobs by raising the minimum wage you prevent young people and people without job skills from getting a start in the jobs market. It's idiotic and it hurts the very people that you purport to support!

means nothing; social services cost around fourteen dollars an hour by comparison.

And, Labor will be able to consume more, and pay more in consumption taxes.

I have no idea what any of that meant, Daniel...do you?

 

[Oldstyle]

You still haven't answered the question why with the economy in serious trouble and millions out of work in the Private Sector..you progressives went after healthcare reform and Cap & Trade legislation...two things that would cause jobs not to be created!

That's taking advantage of a crisis to pass parts of a liberal agenda that you've wanted for decades...while you ignore the suffering of millions!

Jobs were created and unemployment has been decreasing for 8 years now down to historic lows, so the track we’ve been on has been pretty good. They went for healthcare because healthcare was in serious need of reform. Prices were sky rocketing, people were being taken advantage of by insurance agencies, and sick people weren’t getting coverage. The ACA wasn’t meant to creat jobs it was meant to help sick people. It was poorly executed and there were also broken promises so I give it a C.

A "C"? You give a "C" to legislation that was designed by it's creators to fail? Legislation that was so flawed that Democratic leaders had to bribe fellow Democrats to get them to sign on? What would you have to do to get a D or an F?

According to your BS talking points then yes it would be an F, but those just aren’t true and most people know it. Why then couldn’t a Republican majority congress repeal it ? Something so horribly bad should be an easy repeal. You’re not being honest

The GOP has 52 seats in the Senate...you need 60 votes to repeal legislation once it's been passed. Easy repeal? How so?

 

[Oldstyle]

It is not revenue neutral. Paul Ryan said he could get the rate down to 25% based on the tax loopholes that they had agreed to. It got down to 21% by taking money from individuals.

A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage could help Labor pay for infrastructure and create more consumer demand.

All a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage will do is eliminate about a hundred thousand "entry level" jobs and start an instant tidal wave of wage increase demands from everyone who's no longer working for minimum wage! At the end of the day...you haven't done anything except cause inflation and lots of it!

so what; low wage jobs are useless since they don't pay enough or pay generate enough tax revenue, anyway. don't try to avoid it, right wingers.

Sigh...for about the millionth time...minimum wage jobs are not supposed to be jobs you raise a family on or keep to retirement! They are ENTRY LEVEL JOBS! You do them until you've learned job skills to qualify for a better paying job. When you take away entry level jobs by raising the minimum wage you prevent young people and people without job skills from getting a start in the jobs market. It's idiotic and it hurts the very people that you purport to support!

means nothing; social services cost around fourteen dollars an hour by comparison.

And, Labor will be able to consume more, and pay more in consumption taxes.

Let me see if I can explain this SLOWLY for you, Daniel! Raising minimum wage would mean that ALL wages would also have to be raised to compensate those people who have job skills already and obviously aren't going to work for the same as someone who was just hired with no job skills. Supervisors are going to demand more. Managers are going to demand more. So now that you've increased labor costs for businesses what is their response going to be? THEY'RE GOING TO RAISE THEIR PRICES!!! So what have you really gained? The answer to that is...very little!

 

[danielpalos]

A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage could help Labor pay for infrastructure and create more consumer demand.

All a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage will do is eliminate about a hundred thousand "entry level" jobs and start an instant tidal wave of wage increase demands from everyone who's no longer working for minimum wage! At the end of the day...you haven't done anything except cause inflation and lots of it!

so what; low wage jobs are useless since they don't pay enough or pay generate enough tax revenue, anyway. don't try to avoid it, right wingers.

Sigh...for about the millionth time...minimum wage jobs are not supposed to be jobs you raise a family on or keep to retirement! They are ENTRY LEVEL JOBS! You do them until you've learned job skills to qualify for a better paying job. When you take away entry level jobs by raising the minimum wage you prevent young people and people without job skills from getting a start in the jobs market. It's idiotic and it hurts the very people that you purport to support!

means nothing; social services cost around fourteen dollars an hour by comparison.

And, Labor will be able to consume more, and pay more in consumption taxes.

I have no idea what any of that meant, Daniel...do you?

Yes, I do. It is also why I don't take the right wing seriously about economics, or Constitutional law.