A Light Unto The Nations

You made a statement about what Christianity's position is.......
No, I made a statement about what your position is. You made the claim that Christianity "starts with" Genesis. I am interpreting "starts with" as "forms a basis of defining the religion", as that is the subject of this portion of the thread. My conclusion is that the creation of the universe is does not create a useful definition of Christianity to distinguish it from other religious faiths.
 
No, I made a statement about what your position is. You made the claim that Christianity "starts with" Genesis. I am interpreting "starts with" as "forms a basis of defining the religion", as that is the subject of this portion of the thread. My conclusion is that the creation of the universe is does not create a useful definition of Christianity to distinguish it from other religious faiths.
You are a liar.

You wrote:

"I would argue that Christianity does NOT begin with Genesis."
Christianity begins with the words of JC"

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Do Christians Still Need Genesis? – Focus Online

Yes, most Christians believe in the Book of Genesis, which is the first book of the Bible. The book is considered foundational to the Christian worldview and the rest of the Bible.

Explanation
  • Literal interpretation
    Fundamentalist Christians believe that Genesis is a literal account of the creation of the universe.

  • Symbolic interpretation
    Catholics believe that the stories in Genesis are symbolic and reveal important truths about God and humanity.

    • Foundational doctrines
      The doctrines of sin, marriage, and the gospel are all founded in Genesis.
    • Creation myth
      The creation narrative in Genesis is a shared creation myth in Christianity and Judaism.




    • You really don't know what you are talking about.
 
Let's check, and see if you can accept the facts:


"The Gospel of Matthew begins with a recitation of the long lineage of Jesus, to demonstrate that the Nazarene son of Mary descended from both Abraham and King David. This is not coincidence: It is necessary to establish Jesus’s messianic credentials according to the Hebrew Bible.

... it is impossible to extricate Jesus and his mother from Judaism. Indeed, from a Christian perspective, the great tragedy of the life of Jesus is that he came first of all to redeem the Jewish people (“He came to his own, but his own did not receive him,” John 1:11), and through them, all the world."


Actually the Jewish people, and adherence to the Bible were the light unto the nations.

In Matthew, Jesus makes that clear......

Matthew 5:18, the eighteenth verse of the fifth chapter of the Gospel of Matthew in the New Testament and is part of the Sermon on the Mount. Jesus has just reported that he came not to destroy the law, but fulfil it. In this verse this claim is reinforced.

Matthew 5:17–18 is a key text for interpreting the Sermon on the Mount and the entire gospel of Matthew:

Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

Here Jesus says that not one iota (jot) or dot (tittle) will pass away from the law. These most likely refer to the smallest strokes of the Hebrew alphabet, indicating that the Old Testament is completely trustworthy, even to the smallest detail. This is consistent with Jesus’ attitude elsewhere. Never do we find Jesus disagreeing with Scripture.




There is a single religion based on the Ten Commandments......the Judeo-Christian faith.
Clearly they are not one religion. While, according to the Gospels, Jesus was a Jew, his apostles were all Jews and his followers during his lifetime were Jews, and he spent all his time and all his energy, according to the Gospels, deeply immersed in Jewish religious issues, Christianity was not created by Jesus but by Paul, and Paul's mission was very different from Jesus', so there is no basis for claiming Judaism and Christianity are one faith.
 
You are a liar.

You wrote:

"I would argue that Christianity does NOT begin with Genesis."
Christianity begins with the words of JC"

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Yes, most Christians believe in the Book of Genesis, which is the first book of the Bible. The book is considered foundational to the Christian worldview and the rest of the Bible.

Explanation
  • Literal interpretation
    Fundamentalist Christians believe that Genesis is a literal account of the creation of the universe.

  • Symbolic interpretation
    Catholics believe that the stories in Genesis are symbolic and reveal important truths about God and humanity.

    • Foundational doctrines
      The doctrines of sin, marriage, and the gospel are all founded in Genesis.
    • Creation myth
      The creation narrative in Genesis is a shared creation myth in Christianity and Judaism.




    • You really don't know what you are talking about.
Sigh. I am not arguing against Bereshit/Genesis being the first book of Torah/Bible.
 
Sigh. I am not arguing against Bereshit/Genesis being the first book of Torah/Bible.
There is no New Testament without the Old Testament.


The religion is Judeo-Christianity.


Your bias is clear. No need to keep re-newing.
 
There is no New Testament without the Old Testament.

The religion is Judeo-Christianity.

Your bias is clear. No need to keep re-newing.
The Old Testament stands without the New Testament, thus differentiating between Judaism and Christianity. Two separate, incompatible religions.
 
There is no New Testament without the Old Testament.


The religion is Judeo-Christianity.


Your bias is clear. No need to keep re-newing.
"The religion is Judeo-Christianity."

Except for small cliques of Jews-for-Jesus types, no one believes that.
 
There is no New Testament without the Old Testament.


Is that true?
No, it's not true. Except for the claim that Jesus was descended from David, if the New Testament could stand alone, and since the religion of Christianity was created by Paul in order to appeal to pagan Greeks, not Jews, the claim that Jesus was descended from David is not relevant to Christians, except for Jews-for Jesus types.
 
Let's check, and see if you can accept the facts:


"The Gospel of Matthew begins with a recitation of the long lineage of Jesus, to demonstrate that the Nazarene son of Mary descended from both Abraham and King David. This is not coincidence: It is necessary to establish Jesus’s messianic credentials according to the Hebrew Bible.

... it is impossible to extricate Jesus and his mother from Judaism. Indeed, from a Christian perspective, the great tragedy of the life of Jesus is that he came first of all to redeem the Jewish people (“He came to his own, but his own did not receive him,” John 1:11), and through them, all the world."


Actually the Jewish people, and adherence to the Bible were the light unto the nations.

In Matthew, Jesus makes that clear......

Matthew 5:18, the eighteenth verse of the fifth chapter of the Gospel of Matthew in the New Testament and is part of the Sermon on the Mount. Jesus has just reported that he came not to destroy the law, but fulfil it. In this verse this claim is reinforced.

Matthew 5:17–18 is a key text for interpreting the Sermon on the Mount and the entire gospel of Matthew:

Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

Here Jesus says that not one iota (jot) or dot (tittle) will pass away from the law. These most likely refer to the smallest strokes of the Hebrew alphabet, indicating that the Old Testament is completely trustworthy, even to the smallest detail. This is consistent with Jesus’ attitude elsewhere. Never do we find Jesus disagreeing with Scripture.




There is a single religion based on the Ten Commandments......the Judeo-Christian faith.
All you just did is repaste the same exact stupidity whence I excised the error. Are you a bot?
 
No, it's not true. Except for the claim that Jesus was descended from David, if the New Testament could stand alone, and since the religion of Christianity was created by Paul in order to appeal to pagan Greeks, not Jews, the claim that Jesus was descended from David is not relevant to Christians, except for Jews-for Jesus types.
Of course it's true.

Time for you to go.
 
Why Argentina's President Javier Milei stop a plane for a book?

 
There is no New Testament without the Old Testament.


The religion is Judeo-Christianity.


Your bias is clear. No need to keep re-newing.
We Jews do not consider it the Old Testament because we do not recognize the New Testament. “Old” is from the Christian perspective.

We just have the Torah, written and oral, along with commentary.
 
We Jews do not consider it the Old Testament because we do not recognize the New Testament. “Old” is from the Christian perspective.

We just have the Torah, written and oral, along with commentary.

Would there be a New Testament without the Old Testament?


May I point out to you that several times in the Old Testament, God changed His mind.

In the Bible, the person who argued with God about destroying a city was Abraham; specifically, he pleaded with God to spare the city of Sodom, arguing that if even a small number of righteous people lived there, God should not destroy the whole city because of the wicked.

Key points about this story:
  • The passage:
    This story is found in Genesis 18:22-33, where Abraham repeatedly asks God to consider sparing Sodom if a certain number of righteous people can be found there, gradually lowering the number until he asks about just ten righteous people.
 
Would there be a New Testament without the Old Testament?


May I point out to you that several times in the Old Testament, God changed His mind.

In the Bible, the person who argued with God about destroying a city was Abraham; specifically, he pleaded with God to spare the city of Sodom, arguing that if even a small number of righteous people lived there, God should not destroy the whole city because of the wicked.

Key points about this story:
  • The passage:
    This story is found in Genesis 18:22-33, where Abraham repeatedly asks God to consider sparing Sodom if a certain number of righteous people can be found there, gradually lowering the number until he asks about just ten righteous people.
Yes, I know the story very well, but I’m not sure of your point. Abraham was negotiating with Gd to spare Sodom, but there were not even 10 righteous people to be found.

If I may add a valuable lesson (to me, at least) is to trust in Gd and not to dwell on the past - but focus instead on the future, moving forward. Lot’s wife (whose name is lost to history) teaches us that.
 
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