A Light Unto The Nations

[Shusha]

I also condemn Hezbollah for preparing for and executing attacks on Israel and Lebanon for failing to comply with UNSC 1701.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

I absolutely condemn Hamas for starting this ugly and terrible war instead of creating a prosperous Gaza.

So, with Hamas the convenient scapegoat no amount of death and destruction no matter the numbers, will elicit any condemnation of Israel from you. No matter what is shown to you so far, you always respond like this.

You are - like many others here - the best demonstrations of Israeli insanity and amorality.

 

[Shusha]

So, with Hamas the convenient scapegoat no amount of death and destruction no matter the numbers, will elicit any condemnation of Israel from you. No matter what is shown to you so far, you always respond like this.

You are - like many others here - the best demonstrations of Israeli insanity and amorality.

Hamas has been planning and preparing for this war for years, pouring billions of dollars into this war, instead of building a prosperous Gaza. They bear responsibility for this war and everything that is a consequence of their choices.

Hamas is still fighting this war. And so Israel is still short of her goal of completely dismantling Hamas and its ability to continue military operations. Hamas has the option to surrender and to return the hostages. Again, their choice, their consequences.

It is incorrect to say that "no amount of death" will elicit any condemnation from me. I have explained this before. I will support Israel in its goal of dismantling Hamas and all of her military infrastructure. When that work is finished, Israel will cease its military operations. And hopefully the people of Gaza will choose a prosperous nation living in peace next to Israel.

Israel defending itself and its citizens is neither insane nor immoral.

And let's be clear about what you are showing me. Al-Jazeera headlines linked to Al-Jazeera articles which are one-sided and don't disclose the full details, failing even to include Hamas and Hamas' military activities at the sites mentioned. Again, I am very well-read on this topic, including the daily news. I don't need to be "shown" anything.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Hamas has been planning and preparing for this war for years, pouring billions of dollars into this war, instead of building a prosperous Gaza. They bear responsibility for this war and everything that is a consequence of their choices.

Hamas is still fighting this war. And so Israel is still short of her goal of completely dismantling Hamas and its ability to continue military operations. Hamas has the option to surrender and to return the hostages. Again, their choice, their consequences.

It is incorrect to say that "no amount of death" will elicit any condemnation from me. I have explained this before. I will support Israel in its goal of dismantling Hamas and all of her military infrastructure. When that work is finished, Israel will cease its military operations. And hopefully the people of Gaza will choose a prosperous nation living in peace next to Israel.

Israel defending itself and its citizens is neither insane nor immoral.

And let's be clear about what you are showing me. Al-Jazeera headlines linked to Al-Jazeera articles which are one-sided and don't disclose the full details, failing even to include Hamas and Hamas' military activities at the sites mentioned. Again, I am very well-read on this topic, including the daily news. I don't need to be "shown" anything.

You can lie to me but can you really lie to yourself? that takes some doing.

The Israeli media suppress news about Gaza to such an extent that most Israelis no longer care about Gaza, they have no real idea what's going on. So I am certainly not going to rely on news sources that perpetuate Israeli misinformation. Of course when I have cited Haaretz the Zionists here berate me for quoting "leftist news sources".

All news sources are biased to varying degrees but to reject every single report that is produced as being a fabrication by Al Jazeera is dishonest in the extreme.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Hamas has been planning and preparing for this war for years, pouring billions of dollars into this war, instead of building a prosperous Gaza. They bear responsibility for this war and everything that is a consequence of their choices.

Hamas is still fighting this war. And so Israel is still short of her goal of completely dismantling Hamas and its ability to continue military operations. Hamas has the option to surrender and to return the hostages. Again, their choice, their consequences.

It is incorrect to say that "no amount of death" will elicit any condemnation from me. I have explained this before. I will support Israel in its goal of dismantling Hamas and all of her military infrastructure. When that work is finished, Israel will cease its military operations. And hopefully the people of Gaza will choose a prosperous nation living in peace next to Israel.

Israel defending itself and its citizens is neither insane nor immoral.

And let's be clear about what you are showing me. Al-Jazeera headlines linked to Al-Jazeera articles which are one-sided and don't disclose the full details, failing even to include Hamas and Hamas' military activities at the sites mentioned. Again, I am very well-read on this topic, including the daily news. I don't need to be "shown" anything.

Yes, news sources are often biased that's why intelligent people read multiple diverse sources and perform sanity checks and exercise due diligence and attempt to verify unusual reports, but some of course do not, they find it far too difficult.

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The state of Sickrael is an absolute horror show, extremist to a degree seldom seen in other countries. You have no doubt internalized the rhetoric and apologetics for so long that it is the rest of the world that looks to be out of touch and you'd call that "antisemitism"; self deception - well known to those of us who've studied history.

Channel 14 has even questioned the loyalty of the Israeli army because of its perceived lack of ideological zeal. Last week, the spokesperson for the Israel Defense Forces (IDF), R Adm Daniel Hagari, wrote a formal complaint to the broadcasting authority and the ministry of defence accusing Channel 14 of incitement against its leadership.

The broadcast that prompted the letter showed doctored pictures of the IDF’s chief of staff, Herzi Halevi, his face distorted to make him look deranged and shrieking at the sight of messianic religious insignia on a soldier’s uniform. Hagari said the IDF could accept criticism but the channel had “crossed a red line”.

He wrote: “It is deliberate incitement and humiliation of the IDF and its commanders during a war. Unfortunately, this is not the first time Channel 14 has taken such action towards the IDF.”

Do you get your news from Channel 14? it would explain why you're so detached from reality.

 

[Ropey]

All scripture is inspired by God, God is the author of all scripture so Jesus did say it because Jesus is God.

Don't ask me, ask God.

Scripture is Torah, not the New Testament.

The books that Christians call the New Testament are not part of Jewish scripture.

Finally, you've learned something correct.

You're welcome.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Scripture is Torah, not the New Testament.

The books that Christians call the New Testament are not part of Jewish scripture.

Finally, you've learned something correct.

You're welcome.

Ropey, I can see your perspective, the Jewish view.

But the Christian view is as Sherlock said.

"The Gospel of Matthew begins with a recitation of the long lineage of Jesus, to demonstrate that the Nazarene son of Mary descended from both Abraham and King David. This is not coincidence: It is necessary to establish Jesus’s messianic credentials according to the Hebrew Bible.

... it is impossible to extricate Jesus and his mother from Judaism. Indeed, from a Christian perspective, the great tragedy of the life of Jesus is that he came first of all to redeem the Jewish people (“He came to his own, but his own did not receive him,” John 1:11), and through them, all the world."


Actually the Jewish people, and adherence to the Bible were the light unto the nations.

In Matthew, Jesus makes that clear......

Matthew 5:18, the eighteenth verse of the fifth chapter of the Gospel of Matthew in the New Testament and is part of the Sermon on the Mount. Jesus has just reported that he came not to destroy the law, but fulfil it. In this verse this claim is reinforced.

Matthew 5:17–18 is a key text for interpreting the Sermon on the Mount and the entire gospel of Matthew:

Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

Here Jesus says that not one iota (jot) or dot (tittle) will pass away from the law. These most likely refer to the smallest strokes of the Hebrew alphabet, indicating that the Old Testament is completely trustworthy, even to the smallest detail. This is consistent with Jesus’ attitude elsewhere. Never do we find Jesus disagreeing with Scripture.




There is a single religion based on the Ten Commandments......the Judeo-Christian faith.

 

[Ropey]

Ropey, I can see your perspective, the Jewish view.

But the Christian view is as Sherlock said.

"The Gospel of Matthew begins with a recitation of the long lineage of Jesus, to demonstrate that the Nazarene son of Mary descended from both Abraham and King David. This is not coincidence: It is necessary to establish Jesus’s messianic credentials according to the Hebrew Bible.

... it is impossible to extricate Jesus and his mother from Judaism. Indeed, from a Christian perspective, the great tragedy of the life of Jesus is that he came first of all to redeem the Jewish people (“He came to his own, but his own did not receive him,” John 1:11), and through them, all the world."


Actually the Jewish people, and adherence to the Bible were the light unto the nations.

In Matthew, Jesus makes that clear......

Matthew 5:18, the eighteenth verse of the fifth chapter of the Gospel of Matthew in the New Testament and is part of the Sermon on the Mount. Jesus has just reported that he came not to destroy the law, but fulfil it. In this verse this claim is reinforced.

Matthew 5:17–18 is a key text for interpreting the Sermon on the Mount and the entire gospel of Matthew:

Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

Here Jesus says that not one iota (jot) or dot (tittle) will pass away from the law. These most likely refer to the smallest strokes of the Hebrew alphabet, indicating that the Old Testament is completely trustworthy, even to the smallest detail. This is consistent with Jesus’ attitude elsewhere. Never do we find Jesus disagreeing with Scripture.




There is a single religion based on the Ten Commandments......the Judeo-Christian faith.

Scripture - Torah
Testaments = NT

TO each, their own.

Thanks for your time.

 

[Ropey]

The Testament of Matthew 5:17-20 reads as follows:

17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.

18 “For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

The law = Scripture.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Scripture - Torah
Testaments = NT

TO each, their own.

Thanks for your time.

As I prove, Christians recognzie the Old Testament, and Christ comments on the connections.

I didn't ask you to agree, simply to read the facts from the New Testament......thanks for reading.

 

[Ropey]

As I prove,

What goes before the fall?

Christians recognzie the Old Testament, and Christ comments on the connections.

G-d does not need proof. Christ comments on that throughout the testaments. We do not break the law, we break ourselves against the law.

I didn't ask you to agree, simply to read the facts from the New Testament......thanks for reading.

I didn't ask you to agree. I simply posted what both of the divide say on the issue.

Be well.

 

[PoliticalChic]

What goes before the fall?



G-d does not need proof. Christ comments on that throughout the testaments. We do not break the law, we break ourselves against the law.



I didn't ask you to agree. I simply posted what both of the divide say on the issue.

Be well.

I didn't ask you to agree, just to acknowledge the facts.

 

[Ropey]

I didn't ask you to agree, just to acknowledge the facts.

You didn't answer my only question. It's no small wonder why you use the "I" statement before G-d.

So.

What goes before the fall?

 

[PoliticalChic]

What goes before the fall?



G-d does not need proof. Christ comments on that throughout the testaments. We do not break the law, we break ourselves against the law.



I didn't ask you to agree. I simply posted what both of the divide say on the issue.

Be well.

I've seen your posts, so I believe you are aware of how the Founders of America views the faith.......they considered themselves the New Hebrews.


The founders were deeply religious. They believed that they were the new Hebrews.
Judeo-Christian. The Old and New Testament folks.


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“The Founders of this country had a reason for favoring the Jewish people, due to their attachment to the Bible, and because the Founders saw themselves as descendants of the People of the Book.

“Rather than just tolerate the Jews as another religious minority, America’s Founding Fathers were profoundly inspired by Jewish ideas, …. understanding liberty not as an individual license for each of us to pursue his or her bliss but as a collective commitment to a greater good under the watchful eyes of God.” In American Jewish History, a Key to Future Greatness




“Benjamin Franklin’s proposals for a Great Seal featuring not an eagle but Moses and the Israelites crossing the Red Sea.”

First Committee's Design for America's Great Seal - 1776

 

[Ropey]

BQ: What goes before the fall?

/moving on

 

[PoliticalChic]

Calm down.

Nobody wants to take away your seniority.

But is a single religion, the Judeo-Christian faith.

 

[Ropey]

Calm down.

Nobody wants to take away your seniority.

But is a single religion, the Judeo-Christian faith.

The Law = Scripture.

So.

BQ: Where is the commandment in the NT that speaks to changing the day of man's service to G-d during the Sabbath?

A: There is no explicit commandment in the New Testament that changes the Sabbath (Saturday) to Sunday. The Torah's Sabbath commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) remains unchanged in Jewish tradition, and Jesus himself kept the Sabbath.

 

[rosends]

But is a single religion, the Judeo-Christian faith.

No, it isn't.

 

[PoliticalChic]

No, it isn't.

Of course it.

Both begin with the Ten Commandments and Genesis.

 

[rosends]

Of course it.

Both begin with the Ten Commandments and Genesis.

Judaism does. Christianity is a distinct religion. It has beliefs and tenets which go against Judaism. The two are not connected.