A Light Unto The Nations

[Shusha]

Of course it.

Both begin with the Ten Commandments and Genesis.

I would argue that Christianity does NOT begin with Genesis.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Judaism does. Christianity is a distinct religion. It has beliefs and tenets which go against Judaism. The two are not connected.

That's not what the New Testament, and Jesus says.

Who should I believe?

 

[PoliticalChic]

I would argue that Christianity does NOT begin with Genesis.

What's your story?

 

[rosends]

That's not what the New Testament, and Jesus says.

Who should I believe?

You can believe Judaism when it makes statements about what it is, and then look at Christianity and how it contradicts that and ask 'what right does Christianity, which contradicts Judaism, have in deciding it is aligned with Judaism?'

 

[PoliticalChic]

You can believe Judaism when it makes statements about what it is, and then look at Christianity and how it contradicts that and ask 'what right does Christianity, which contradicts Judaism, have in deciding it is aligned with Judaism?'

Let's check, and see if you can accept the facts:


"The Gospel of Matthew begins with a recitation of the long lineage of Jesus, to demonstrate that the Nazarene son of Mary descended from both Abraham and King David. This is not coincidence: It is necessary to establish Jesus’s messianic credentials according to the Hebrew Bible.

... it is impossible to extricate Jesus and his mother from Judaism. Indeed, from a Christian perspective, the great tragedy of the life of Jesus is that he came first of all to redeem the Jewish people (“He came to his own, but his own did not receive him,” John 1:11), and through them, all the world."


Actually the Jewish people, and adherence to the Bible were the light unto the nations.

In Matthew, Jesus makes that clear......

Matthew 5:18, the eighteenth verse of the fifth chapter of the Gospel of Matthew in the New Testament and is part of the Sermon on the Mount. Jesus has just reported that he came not to destroy the law, but fulfil it. In this verse this claim is reinforced.

Matthew 5:17–18 is a key text for interpreting the Sermon on the Mount and the entire gospel of Matthew:

Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

Here Jesus says that not one iota (jot) or dot (tittle) will pass away from the law. These most likely refer to the smallest strokes of the Hebrew alphabet, indicating that the Old Testament is completely trustworthy, even to the smallest detail. This is consistent with Jesus’ attitude elsewhere. Never do we find Jesus disagreeing with Scripture.




There is a single religion based on the Ten Commandments......the Judeo-Christian faith.

 

[rosends]

Let's check, and see if you can accept the facts:


"The Gospel of Matthew begins with a recitation of the long lineage of Jesus, to demonstrate that the Nazarene son of Mary descended from both Abraham and King David. This is not coincidence: It is necessary to establish Jesus’s messianic credentials according to the Hebrew Bible.

... it is impossible to extricate Jesus and his mother from Judaism. Indeed, from a Christian perspective, the great tragedy of the life of Jesus is that he came first of all to redeem the Jewish people (“He came to his own, but his own did not receive him,” John 1:11), and through them, all the world."


Actually the Jewish people, and adherence to the Bible were the light unto the nations.

In Matthew, Jesus makes that clear......

Matthew 5:18, the eighteenth verse of the fifth chapter of the Gospel of Matthew in the New Testament and is part of the Sermon on the Mount. Jesus has just reported that he came not to destroy the law, but fulfil it. In this verse this claim is reinforced.

Matthew 5:17–18 is a key text for interpreting the Sermon on the Mount and the entire gospel of Matthew:

Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

Here Jesus says that not one iota (jot) or dot (tittle) will pass away from the law. These most likely refer to the smallest strokes of the Hebrew alphabet, indicating that the Old Testament is completely trustworthy, even to the smallest detail. This is consistent with Jesus’ attitude elsewhere. Never do we find Jesus disagreeing with Scripture.




There is a single religion based on the Ten Commandments......the Judeo-Christian faith.

No, there is Judaism. Once you start quoting texts that are alien and anathema to Jews, you are no longer dealing with Judaism. Why do you feel the need to attach your theology to Judaism, even though your belief system contradicts Judaism?

 

[PoliticalChic]

No, there is Judaism. Once you start quoting texts that are alien and anathema to Jews, you are no longer dealing with Judaism. Why do you feel the need to attach your theology to Judaism, even though your belief system contradicts Judaism?

Judeo-Christianity is the basis of the founding of America.

The Founders saw themselves as the new Hebrews.

They differed with Jews about the Messiah, but it is still the Judeo-Christian religion.


The founders were deeply religious. They believed that they were the new Hebrews.
Judeo-Christian. The Old and New Testament folks.


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“The Founders of this country had a reason for favoring the Jewish people, due to their attachment to the Bible, and because the Founders saw themselves as descendants of the People of the Book.

“Rather than just tolerate the Jews as another religious minority, America’s Founding Fathers were profoundly inspired by Jewish ideas, …. understanding liberty not as an individual license for each of us to pursue his or her bliss but as a collective commitment to a greater good under the watchful eyes of God.” In American Jewish History, a Key to Future Greatness




“Benjamin Franklin’s proposals for a Great Seal featuring not an eagle but Moses and the Israelites crossing the Red Sea.”

First Committee's Design for America's Great Seal - 1776

 

[PoliticalChic]

No, there is Judaism. Once you start quoting texts that are alien and anathema to Jews, you are no longer dealing with Judaism. Why do you feel the need to attach your theology to Judaism, even though your belief system contradicts Judaism?

BTW, you don't know my religious affiliation......I have never stated it.


I might be a Druid......I do look good in blue.

 

[rosends]

BTW, you don't know my religious affiliation......I have never stated it.


I might be a Druid......I do look good in blue.

So are you espousing a belief you DON'T have? TIA

 

[PoliticalChic]

So are you espousing a belief you DON'T have? TIA

I am a scholar.

I provide documentaton.....as you have found.


Can you find anything I have posted that isn't true?

 

[Shusha]

What's your story?

I think it is obvious in every one of your posts - Christianity begins with the words of JC, and are dependent on his death and resurrection. Which is fine. Have at it. But these things are not Judaism.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I think it is obvious in every one of your posts - Christianity begins with the words of JC, and are dependent on his death and resurrection. Which is fine. Have at it. But these things are not Judaism.

So you are claiming that Christ claimed creation of the universe?

You really don't know anything, do you.

 

[rosends]

I am a scholar.

I provide documentaton.....as you have found.


Can you find anything I have posted that isn't true?

Sure :


"They differed with Jews about the Messiah, but it is still the Judeo-Christian religion. "

Christians differ with Jews about many things and, no matter how hard you wish it and how many times you restate it, there is no such thing as the Judeo-Christian religion.

Also, you wrote/quoted (?)" Never do we find Jesus disagreeing with Scripture." and yet his antitheses do that (and he does it elsewhere as well).

 

[Shusha]

So you are claiming that Christ claimed creation of the universe?

You really don't know anything, do you.

There is no reason to come out of the gate with personal insults.

 

[PoliticalChic]

There is no reason to come out of the gate with personal insults.

I post facts, as is this statement.

How, according to the New Testament, did the universe begin?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Sure :


"They differed with Jews about the Messiah, but it is still the Judeo-Christian religion. "

Christians differ with Jews about many things and, no matter how hard you wish it and how many times you restate it, there is no such thing as the Judeo-Christian religion.

Also, you wrote/quoted (?)" Never do we find Jesus disagreeing with Scripture." and yet his antitheses do that (and he does it elsewhere as well).

Let's check, and see if you can accept the facts:


"The Gospel of Matthew begins with a recitation of the long lineage of Jesus, to demonstrate that the Nazarene son of Mary descended from both Abraham and King David. This is not coincidence: It is necessary to establish Jesus’s messianic credentials according to the Hebrew Bible.

... it is impossible to extricate Jesus and his mother from Judaism. Indeed, from a Christian perspective, the great tragedy of the life of Jesus is that he came first of all to redeem the Jewish people (“He came to his own, but his own did not receive him,” John 1:11), and through them, all the world."


Actually the Jewish people, and adherence to the Bible were the light unto the nations.

In Matthew, Jesus makes that clear......

Matthew 5:18, the eighteenth verse of the fifth chapter of the Gospel of Matthew in the New Testament and is part of the Sermon on the Mount. Jesus has just reported that he came not to destroy the law, but fulfil it. In this verse this claim is reinforced.

Matthew 5:17–18 is a key text for interpreting the Sermon on the Mount and the entire gospel of Matthew:

Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

Here Jesus says that not one iota (jot) or dot (tittle) will pass away from the law. These most likely refer to the smallest strokes of the Hebrew alphabet, indicating that the Old Testament is completely trustworthy, even to the smallest detail. This is consistent with Jesus’ attitude elsewhere. Never do we find Jesus disagreeing with Scripture.




There is a single religion based on the Ten Commandments......the Judeo-Christian faith.

 

[Shusha]

So you are claiming that Christ claimed creation of the universe?

No, I'm claiming that the creation of the universe isn't especially relevant to defining Christianity.

 

[PoliticalChic]

No, I'm claiming that the creation of the universe isn't especially relevant to defining Christianity.

Are you a Christian theologist, or are you simply making that up?



Can you quote any Christian theologists saying that, or would you rather look foolish?

 

[Shusha]

Are you a Christian theologist, or are you simply making that up?

I'm arguing that you could replace the creation of the universe with a different creation story and it wouldn't make one bit of difference in defining Christianity.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I'm arguing that you could replace the creation of the universe with a different creation story and it wouldn't make one bit of difference in defining Christianity.

You made a statement about what Christianity's position is.......now it is clear you simply bloviated.


If you have some documentation, please provide same.....or apologize.