A grievous administrative error.

[Independent thinker]

We are talking about this guy, and a President who make the leader of El Salvador dance upside down.

Yes, Presidents will become dictators because people think the President is above the law. No.

Not sure what you are saying. There was an administrative error. El Salvador's president refuses to return the guy. There's nothing anyone can do about it. Trump tried. No luck.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Trump can say, "We will cut off the money we are paying you," and they will return him yesterday.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Independent thinker, if the USSC rules in our executive branch's favor on this question, it's only a matterof time before it will not be unusual for any future U.S. President to grievously punish anyone who displeases them or their administrations. President Trump has little concern for our U.S.Constitution, federal or state statutes.

All projections.

I am still trying to figure out if this was Kosher or not. But it's not like the MSM makes it out to be.

Trump may still be wrong, but this is getting blown well out of proportion and your comments are right in line with that hyperbole.

President Trump has little concern for our U.S.Constitution, federal or state statutes.

He is certainly pushing some limits.

But I don't hear impeachment being thrown around yet, so don't hyperventilate to hard.

He disrespects and/or disregards our laws, our democracy, and women generally.

More unfounded assertions. And what do women have to do with it ?

When you can support your assertions, I'll be interested.

We the people (in aggregate), voted for him. We deserve the consequences due to our decision.

Uh, you know, he is doing a lot of what he promised. Were you unaware of that?

 

[HikerGuy83]

Not sure what you are saying. There was an administrative error. El Salvador's president refuses to return the guy. There's nothing anyone can do about it. Trump tried. No luck.

That does not wash. If you were down there because of an "administrative error", you would not fold on this kind of lame argument.

 

[HikerGuy83]

If their president refuses to release the person then there is nothing anyone can do.

Horsecrap

 

[Independent thinker]

That does not wash. If you were down there because of an "administrative error", you would not fold on this kind of lame argument.

It’s a fact and you can’t do anything about it. He’s from El Salvador. He’s in El Salvador. He wouldn’t be in this dituation but for coming here illegally.

 

[Independent thinker]

Horsecrap

Do something about it. All you can do is scream and the louder you scream the more others won’t want to come here illegally. Sweet. Keep up the screaming. I love it. It’s all a win win for us.

 

[Supposn]

Independent Thinker, I don't pretend to know, but based upon Trump's general contempt of law, and people other than himself, I speculate Trump decided arranging for President Nayib Bukele to be made very aware of his administration's preferences, is to both of their advantages.

By arranging that meeting and their joint public statements, I'd be surprised if he hasn't legally covered his administration's assess. I expect that federal attorneys may not even need to justify this one, among other of Trump's administration's illegal acts.

Federal attornies were pressed to explain the deportation in court. It was then, having no other recourse, they admitted it was "an administrative error”. Respectfully, Supposn

 

[Supposn]

Uh, you know, he is doing a lot of what he promised. Were you unaware of that?

HikerGuy83, yes, I'm aware of “project 2025”. As a candidate, Trump disavowed any connection to it; but his administration has begun, and is continuing to execute it. Project 2025 was among the many good reasons I was, and am firmly opposed to Donald Trump. He's not a conservative, or a liberal, and certainly not a proponent of a democratic-republic government.

President Trump is very similar to Hitler, but he doesn't have the fuhrer's single determination to carry out any particular policy. He flip-flops, doing whatever he considers to be conducive to his own immediate pleasure or advantage.

Too much Trump considers to be conducive to his pleasure or advantage, is or will be net detrimental to our nation. Sometimes. he inadvertently attempts or succeeds to do what's also contrary to his own longer term self-interest.

Respectfully,Supposn

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

HikerGuy83, yes, I'm aware of “project 2025”. As a candidate, Trumpdisavowed any connection to it; but his administration had begun, andis continuing to execute it. Project 2025 was among the many good reasons I was, and am firmly opposed to Donald Trump. He's not aconservative, or a liberal, and certainly not a proponent of a democratic-republic government.

Trumpis very similar to Hitler, but he doesn't have Hitler's single determination to carry out any particular policy. He
flip-flops, doing whatever he considers to be conducive to his own immediate pleasure or advantage.

Too much Trump considers to be conducive to his pleasure or advantage, is or will be net detrimental to our nation. Sometimes. he inadvertently attempts or succeeds to do what's also contrary to his own longer term self-interest.

Respectfully,Supposn

As a candidate, Trumpdisavowed any connection to it; but his administration had begun, andis continuing to execute it.

A conservative organization and some conservatives wrote some conservative suggestions for a future conservative administration. So what?

Now a conservative administration is doing some conservative things that
may also have been written about by conservatives. So what?

Project 2025 was among the many good reasons I was, and am firmly opposed to Donald Trump.

You're a liberal moron, but I repeat myself. No one cares why you're opposed to Trump.

 

[HikerGuy83]

You're a liberal moron, but I repeat myself. No one cares why you're opposed to Trump.

Ouch.

But, I would say he's not a liberal. We don't have many of those around the country.

Most of those who voted for Harris are government loving left wingers.

I suspect Supposn is one too. Appears to be one so far.

 

[westwall]

A grievous administrative error.

Link to Associated Press report: Trump administration argues judge can't order return of man mistakenly deported to El Salvador | AP News

In response to legal actions on behalf of the man's wife, the White House explained our government's grievous error as “an administrative error”.

However, rather than quietly attempting to remedy our government's error, Why are they NOW further escalating the case?

Am I wrong to suppose, if after our government attempts to remedy our nation's error and finds it's much less or not feasible to comply with the judge's order, it's only then federal lawyers should “tell it to the judge”?

It wasn't a mistake. When you start with a lie you have nowhere to go.

 

[Supposn]

Ouch.

But, I would say he's not a liberal. We don't have many of those around the country.

Most of those who voted for Harris are government loving left wingers.

I suspect Supposn is one too. Appears to be one so far.

Hikerguy83, I'd be shamed if I weren't a proponent for law and order. I'm opposed to vigilanti justice and witch hunts, and the auctioning of government's services and considerations that are due to everyone in the USA.

Our nation and the world's history is reason to have greater trust in democracy, and meritocracy, rather than yielding to privileges only due to heredity or to wealth.

Respectfully, Supposn

 

[HikerGuy83]

I'd be shamed if I weren't a proponent for law and order.

Good to know.

I am too.

I'm opposed to vigilanti justice and witch hunts, and the auctioning of government's services and considerations that are due to everyone in the USA.

So you oppose most of congress for the last 40 years along with the lobbyists and big corporations who make them wealthy....all in exchange for favors, contracts, and other garbage?

Our nation and the world's history is reason to have greater trust in democracy, and meritocracy, rather than yielding to privileges only due to heredity or to wealth.

That will always exist. And the problem is that the more it concentrates in D.C. the easier it is for privileges and wealth to run the show.

 

[Supposn]

Supposn said:
Hikerguy83, I'd be shamed if I weren't a proponent for law and order. I'm opposed to vigilanti justice and witch hunts, and the auctioning of government's services and considerations that are due to everyone in the USA.

Good to know.
I am too.

So you oppose most of congress for the last 40 years along with the lobbyists and big corporations who make them wealthy....all in exchange for favors, contracts, and other garbage?
That will always exist. And the problem is that the more it concentrates in D.C. the easier it is for privileges and wealth to run the show.

Hikerguy83,so you and I can put aside our differences? To some extent it's possible for us to intelligently discuss, negotiate and reconcile our differences to the best of our abilities, without betraying our own firm principles?

Little good can be accomplished and great deal of harm is done when individual members of congress consider everything entirely as “if I or we reconcile and compromise, it means you or your's win / I or mine lose”.

We shouldn't consider this harmful belief and practice as to having become a major problem only 40 years ago.
As you stated,"That [problem] will always exist”. But as you also said, the problem's more concentrated in D.C. where it's easier for privileges and wealth to run the show". Respectfully,Supposn

 

[progressive hunter]

A grievous administrative error.

Link to Associated Press report: Trump administration argues judge can't order return of man mistakenly deported to El Salvador | AP News

In response to legal actions on behalf of the man's wife, the White House explained our government's grievous error as “an administrative error”.

However, rather than quietly attempting to remedy our government's error, Why are they NOW further escalating the case?

Am I wrong to suppose, if after our government attempts to remedy our nation's error and finds it's much less or not feasible to comply with the judge's order, it's only then federal lawyers should “tell it to the judge”?

 

[HikerGuy83]

so you and I can put aside our differences?

I am more than willing to engage anyone (and in fact would truly enjoy it) without the poop slinging that goes on.

To some extent it's possible for us to intelligently discuss, negotiate and reconcile our differences to the best of our abilities, without betraying our own firm principles?

It's not necessary to reconcile. In my experience, most people have a lot in common. That is what we should focus on. But the media and those who profit from the constant bickering push us to our differences. I am O.K. with disagareeing on some things. But I suspect we have a lot in common.

Little good can be accomplished and great deal of harm is done when individual members of congress consider everything entirely as “if I or we reconcile and compromise, it means you or your's win / I or mine lose”.

O.K. I won't agree with this the way you've written it. But I will say that we certainly do have ideologues who can't seem to work very well with others. And, of course, it depends on the subject. I don't believe in a congress that should be doing all that they are trying to do. That, to me, is a good place to start.

We shouldn't consider this harmful belief and practice as to having become a major problem only 40 years ago.
As you stated,"That [problem] will always exist”. But as you also said, the problem's more concentrated in D.C. where it's easier for privileges and wealth to run the show".

So, just what are you saying ?

I appreciate the measured response.

If we can dialogue on things, I think it would be helpful. I just quit a board where I thought I was making some headway in having dialogue, but as of late it has become a huge echo chamber.

 

[Lesh]

That ended up being a huge fails and self own

 

[Supposn]

ProgressiveHunter, the speaker within your provided link, a podcaster who usesthe name “Timcast IRL”, contends the government deported anillegal immigrant,who's a member of the MS13 gang.

In2012,at 16 years of age,illegal immigrant Kilimar Abrego Garciacrossed our border and managed to cometo his U.S. citizen brother in Maryland.
In2016 he married a U.S. Citizen. He's a father to his son and hiswife's 2 children from her prior marriage.

Other than illegal immigration, There's no records of him being charged with committing any crime.

In2019, an immigration judge granted him a form of protection called"withholding of removal," which barred his deportation toEl Salvador due to fears of persecution.

I've gathered some further notes regarding this matter. They will beposted within a sperate response to your post.
Respectfully, Supposn

 

[scruffy]

The husband of a U.S. Citizen was legally working in the USA.

Bullshit.

He's an illegal alien, he's not LEGALLY allowed to work, at all.

He was arrested loitering in front of a Home Depot. What does that tell you?

His "job" appears to be transporting other illegals for the gangs. Who else is going to pay him to move 8 people at a time from Texas to Maryland?

At BEST this guy's an illegal day laborer. More likely he's a paid human trafficker. He's an UNDESIRABLE illegal alien, he doesn't work and he keeps getting busted.