A Child Can't Call 2 Women or 2 Men "Mom & Dad"

[Conservative65]

I take comfort that sinners won't be in heaven. It's you that went from point A to Z without looking at B through Y.

Laughing....uh-huh. Don't feel the need to backpedal on my account. Tell us more about what you're teaching your children about the 'faggots' and the 'n*ggers'. I want the conservative christian perspective well represented and straight from the horse's mouth.

If you oppose Christianity, it's because you make the choice to do so. Blaming me gives your useless ass an excuse.

You're confused. I'm inviting you to share the conservative christian perspective on the 'faggots' and the 'n*ggers' as you call them. And tell us all what God thinks about them. How you feel about them. And what we should do to them.

I think you're too intimidated by people like me. And have spent most of your time trying to backpedal and soften your statements. There's no need. Tell us how it is. What does the Bible tell us to do to them 'faggots' and 'n*ggers'? Give us God's perpective, so we can weight the merits of Christianity from the views of a 'real Christian'.

God's word say homosexuality is wrong. I believe in God's word. If you don't agree, you're not questioning me but God. He'll get His chance to correct your thinking some day.

God says to kill em. The founders did. Were they following God's word...and you not? Or are you following God's word, and the founders got it wrong?

You can't both be right.

Just an explanation. It's what I've said all along but it took your dumbass long enough to get it.

Where in the NT does God say kill homos? I guess it's right next to the part about where God said He really didn't mean that coming to Him meant accepting His son. Wait, that's not there either.

Where in the New Testament did Christ mention gays at all? He condemned adulterers and hypocrites. Christ lashed money changers. He lamented about those that would deny him.

But he never so much as mentions gays. Yet the founders executed gays. In every state in the Union. With Pennsylvania citing Leviticus word for word as its laws. Did they get Christianty 'wrong'....or did you?

By all means, tell us more about the 'faggots' and the 'n*ggers' as you call them. I want a clear conservative Christian perspective on the Bible's message and teachings on the matter.

I bet you're one who say Christ didn't oppose same sex marriage because he never specifically and overtly said it in those words.

Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:9–10.

You keep mentioning the OT.

So did most Christians throughout the history of your faith. The founders actually quoted passages from Leviticus word for word. And killed any gay they found. As did every other State in the Union. With their justification being religious.

The puritians did the same thing. They just killed the adulterers too.

Did they get Christianity wrong? Were they not supposed to mention the OT? If so, why did the overwhelming history of your faith not get the memo until the last dozen decades or so? I mean, either its not as easy as you claim.......or the Christians throughout the majority of the history of your faith weren't 'true believers'.

Either that or God changed his mind. And around the 1800s or so decided that we should stop killing gays. Is that what happened?

You're being intentionally vague and evasive.....like there's something about your beliefs that you're ashamed of or are trying to hide. Just be honest. What should we be doing to the 'faggots' and the 'n*ggers' as you call them?

I'm still waiting on verses from the NT that say God tells us to kill faggots. You've been asked more than once and failed every time.

God doesn't change his mind. People like you misuse his word. His worded warned us about people like and and is clear about what will happen to you because you did.

 

[Skylar]

Laughing....uh-huh. Don't feel the need to backpedal on my account. Tell us more about what you're teaching your children about the 'faggots' and the 'n*ggers'. I want the conservative christian perspective well represented and straight from the horse's mouth.

You're confused. I'm inviting you to share the conservative christian perspective on the 'faggots' and the 'n*ggers' as you call them. And tell us all what God thinks about them. How you feel about them. And what we should do to them.

I think you're too intimidated by people like me. And have spent most of your time trying to backpedal and soften your statements. There's no need. Tell us how it is. What does the Bible tell us to do to them 'faggots' and 'n*ggers'? Give us God's perpective, so we can weight the merits of Christianity from the views of a 'real Christian'.

God says to kill em. The founders did. Were they following God's word...and you not? Or are you following God's word, and the founders got it wrong?

You can't both be right.

Just an explanation. It's what I've said all along but it took your dumbass long enough to get it.

Where in the NT does God say kill homos? I guess it's right next to the part about where God said He really didn't mean that coming to Him meant accepting His son. Wait, that's not there either.

Where in the New Testament did Christ mention gays at all? He condemned adulterers and hypocrites. Christ lashed money changers. He lamented about those that would deny him.

But he never so much as mentions gays. Yet the founders executed gays. In every state in the Union. With Pennsylvania citing Leviticus word for word as its laws. Did they get Christianty 'wrong'....or did you?

By all means, tell us more about the 'faggots' and the 'n*ggers' as you call them. I want a clear conservative Christian perspective on the Bible's message and teachings on the matter.

I bet you're one who say Christ didn't oppose same sex marriage because he never specifically and overtly said it in those words.

Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:9–10.

You keep mentioning the OT.

So did most Christians throughout the history of your faith. The founders actually quoted passages from Leviticus word for word. And killed any gay they found. As did every other State in the Union. With their justification being religious.

The puritians did the same thing. They just killed the adulterers too.

Did they get Christianity wrong? Were they not supposed to mention the OT? If so, why did the overwhelming history of your faith not get the memo until the last dozen decades or so? I mean, either its not as easy as you claim.......or the Christians throughout the majority of the history of your faith weren't 'true believers'.

Either that or God changed his mind. And around the 1800s or so decided that we should stop killing gays. Is that what happened?

You're being intentionally vague and evasive.....like there's something about your beliefs that you're ashamed of or are trying to hide. Just be honest. What should we be doing to the 'faggots' and the 'n*ggers' as you call them?

I'm still waiting on verses from the NT that say God tells us to kill faggots. You've been asked more than once and failed every time.

God doesn't change his mind. People like you misuse his word. His worded warned us about people like and and is clear about what will happen to you because you did.

No, you're still evading. For nearly 2 millennium Christians killed gays in God's name, quoting the OT. Now you dismiss mention of the OT and demand passages from the NT.

Did virtually the entire history of your faith get it wrong? Or did you? Are gays supposed to be executed as commanded in Leviticus and carried out by Christians for centuries? Or did they horribly misinterpret the Bible, using it to justify horrendous acts of evil, cruelty and sin?

Pick one. Because your evasions only demonstrate that you've got something to hide about your faith. And there are topics related to homosexuality and Christianity that you do NOT want to discuss.

 

[Conservative65]

Just an explanation. It's what I've said all along but it took your dumbass long enough to get it.

Where in the NT does God say kill homos? I guess it's right next to the part about where God said He really didn't mean that coming to Him meant accepting His son. Wait, that's not there either.

Where in the New Testament did Christ mention gays at all? He condemned adulterers and hypocrites. Christ lashed money changers. He lamented about those that would deny him.

But he never so much as mentions gays. Yet the founders executed gays. In every state in the Union. With Pennsylvania citing Leviticus word for word as its laws. Did they get Christianty 'wrong'....or did you?

By all means, tell us more about the 'faggots' and the 'n*ggers' as you call them. I want a clear conservative Christian perspective on the Bible's message and teachings on the matter.

I bet you're one who say Christ didn't oppose same sex marriage because he never specifically and overtly said it in those words.

Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:9–10.

You keep mentioning the OT.

So did most Christians throughout the history of your faith. The founders actually quoted passages from Leviticus word for word. And killed any gay they found. As did every other State in the Union. With their justification being religious.

The puritians did the same thing. They just killed the adulterers too.

Did they get Christianity wrong? Were they not supposed to mention the OT? If so, why did the overwhelming history of your faith not get the memo until the last dozen decades or so? I mean, either its not as easy as you claim.......or the Christians throughout the majority of the history of your faith weren't 'true believers'.

Either that or God changed his mind. And around the 1800s or so decided that we should stop killing gays. Is that what happened?

You're being intentionally vague and evasive.....like there's something about your beliefs that you're ashamed of or are trying to hide. Just be honest. What should we be doing to the 'faggots' and the 'n*ggers' as you call them?

I'm still waiting on verses from the NT that say God tells us to kill faggots. You've been asked more than once and failed every time.

God doesn't change his mind. People like you misuse his word. His worded warned us about people like and and is clear about what will happen to you because you did.

No, you're still evading. For nearly 2 millennium Christians killed gays in God's name, quoting the OT. Now you dismiss mention of the OT and demand passages from the NT.

Did virtually the entire history of your faith get it wrong? Or did you? Are gays supposed to be executed as commanded in Leviticus and carried out by Christians for centuries? Or did they horribly misinterpret the Bible, using it to justify horrendous acts of evil, cruelty and sin?

Pick one. Because your evasions only demonstrate that you've got something to hide about your faith. And there are topics related to homosexuality and Christianity that you do NOT want to discuss.

So you can't provide them. Go **** yourself until you can. I bet that's the only way you'll ever get some if you can call ******* yourself as getting some.

 

[Skylar]

Laughing....uh-huh. Don't feel the need to backpedal on my account. Tell us more about what you're teaching your children about the 'faggots' and the 'n*ggers'. I want the conservative christian perspective well represented and straight from the horse's mouth.

You're confused. I'm inviting you to share the conservative christian perspective on the 'faggots' and the 'n*ggers' as you call them. And tell us all what God thinks about them. How you feel about them. And what we should do to them.

I think you're too intimidated by people like me. And have spent most of your time trying to backpedal and soften your statements. There's no need. Tell us how it is. What does the Bible tell us to do to them 'faggots' and 'n*ggers'? Give us God's perpective, so we can weight the merits of Christianity from the views of a 'real Christian'.

God says to kill em. The founders did. Were they following God's word...and you not? Or are you following God's word, and the founders got it wrong?

You can't both be right.

Just an explanation. It's what I've said all along but it took your dumbass long enough to get it.

Where in the NT does God say kill homos? I guess it's right next to the part about where God said He really didn't mean that coming to Him meant accepting His son. Wait, that's not there either.

Where in the New Testament did Christ mention gays at all? He condemned adulterers and hypocrites. Christ lashed money changers. He lamented about those that would deny him.

But he never so much as mentions gays. Yet the founders executed gays. In every state in the Union. With Pennsylvania citing Leviticus word for word as its laws. Did they get Christianty 'wrong'....or did you?

By all means, tell us more about the 'faggots' and the 'n*ggers' as you call them. I want a clear conservative Christian perspective on the Bible's message and teachings on the matter.

I bet you're one who say Christ didn't oppose same sex marriage because he never specifically and overtly said it in those words.

Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:9–10.

You keep mentioning the OT.

So did most Christians throughout the history of your faith. The founders actually quoted passages from Leviticus word for word. And killed any gay they found. As did every other State in the Union. With their justification being religious.

The puritians did the same thing. They just killed the adulterers too.

Did they get Christianity wrong? Were they not supposed to mention the OT? If so, why did the overwhelming history of your faith not get the memo until the last dozen decades or so? I mean, either its not as easy as you claim.......or the Christians throughout the majority of the history of your faith weren't 'true believers'.

Either that or God changed his mind. And around the 1800s or so decided that we should stop killing gays. Is that what happened?

You're being intentionally vague and evasive.....like there's something about your beliefs that you're ashamed of or are trying to hide. Just be honest. What should we be doing to the 'faggots' and the 'n*ggers' as you call them?

I'm still waiting on verses from the NT that say God tells us to kill faggots. You've been asked more than once and failed every time.

God doesn't change his mind. People like you misuse his word. His worded warned us about people like and and is clear about what will happen to you because you did.

So the Founders and virtually the whole of your faith's history got it wrong. Murderously, sinfully and destructively wrong.

But you.....YOU have it right and know what God 'really means'.

Which begs the question; if its as 'easy' for the 'true believer' to understand what God 'really meant', how did your faith get it so horrendously, horribly, sinfully, murderously wrong for nearly 2000 years? Or did 'True Believers' not actually show up until you got here?

 

[Skylar]

Where in the New Testament did Christ mention gays at all? He condemned adulterers and hypocrites. Christ lashed money changers. He lamented about those that would deny him.

But he never so much as mentions gays. Yet the founders executed gays. In every state in the Union. With Pennsylvania citing Leviticus word for word as its laws. Did they get Christianty 'wrong'....or did you?

By all means, tell us more about the 'faggots' and the 'n*ggers' as you call them. I want a clear conservative Christian perspective on the Bible's message and teachings on the matter.

I bet you're one who say Christ didn't oppose same sex marriage because he never specifically and overtly said it in those words.

Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:9–10.

You keep mentioning the OT.

So did most Christians throughout the history of your faith. The founders actually quoted passages from Leviticus word for word. And killed any gay they found. As did every other State in the Union. With their justification being religious.

The puritians did the same thing. They just killed the adulterers too.

Did they get Christianity wrong? Were they not supposed to mention the OT? If so, why did the overwhelming history of your faith not get the memo until the last dozen decades or so? I mean, either its not as easy as you claim.......or the Christians throughout the majority of the history of your faith weren't 'true believers'.

Either that or God changed his mind. And around the 1800s or so decided that we should stop killing gays. Is that what happened?

You're being intentionally vague and evasive.....like there's something about your beliefs that you're ashamed of or are trying to hide. Just be honest. What should we be doing to the 'faggots' and the 'n*ggers' as you call them?

I'm still waiting on verses from the NT that say God tells us to kill faggots. You've been asked more than once and failed every time.

God doesn't change his mind. People like you misuse his word. His worded warned us about people like and and is clear about what will happen to you because you did.

No, you're still evading. For nearly 2 millennium Christians killed gays in God's name, quoting the OT. Now you dismiss mention of the OT and demand passages from the NT.

Did virtually the entire history of your faith get it wrong? Or did you? Are gays supposed to be executed as commanded in Leviticus and carried out by Christians for centuries? Or did they horribly misinterpret the Bible, using it to justify horrendous acts of evil, cruelty and sin?

Pick one. Because your evasions only demonstrate that you've got something to hide about your faith. And there are topics related to homosexuality and Christianity that you do NOT want to discuss.

So you can't provide them. Go **** yourself until you can. I bet that's the only way you'll ever get some if you can call ******* yourself as getting some.

Ah, the conservative Christian perspective of the 'True Believer'. Run from the horrendous theological holes in your faith and their treatment of gays, and tell anyone who dares to question you to 'go **** themselves'.

But its Morovant that makes Christianity look like something that folks don't want?

Laughing...really?

 

[Ame®icano]

I'll just leave this here...

If you want links, google headlines.

 

[sealybobo]

This drum beat needs to be heard on behalf of the most meek voices in this debate: children. They cannot vote to affect their fate and they rely solely upon the citizens of their respective states to act as their custodians in this matter. If those voices are silenced, so are theirs.

California, the most permissive state in the Union with the longest opportunity to observe the LGBT culture (San Francisco, CA as ground-zero) and uber-aggressive-litigation-machine, voted to preserve the physical structure of marriage as man/woman TWICE. What this means is, the experimental-lifestyle-as-parents is repugnant to the most permissive state with the most experience with the brand spanking new lab experiment with children.

This is obvious upon it's face, but a child cannot call 2 women or 2 men "Mom and Dad". This thread in the link below goes into excruciating detail as to why states must be allowed to incentivize the best physical structure of marriage on behalf of children/future productive or nonproductive liabilities to that respective state. That state's discreet community MUST have a voice on behalf of its unprotected citizens: children...

Prince s Trust Survey The Voices of the Voteless Children in Gay Marriage Debate US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

If one guys really fem or one girl real butch they could be called mom or dad.

And so what? Know how some kids call grandparents paw paw or Nana? Kids can call them mommy and mommy and to them its normal and loving

 

[sealybobo]

I bet you're one who say Christ didn't oppose same sex marriage because he never specifically and overtly said it in those words.

Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:9–10.

You keep mentioning the OT.

So did most Christians throughout the history of your faith. The founders actually quoted passages from Leviticus word for word. And killed any gay they found. As did every other State in the Union. With their justification being religious.

The puritians did the same thing. They just killed the adulterers too.

Did they get Christianity wrong? Were they not supposed to mention the OT? If so, why did the overwhelming history of your faith not get the memo until the last dozen decades or so? I mean, either its not as easy as you claim.......or the Christians throughout the majority of the history of your faith weren't 'true believers'.

Either that or God changed his mind. And around the 1800s or so decided that we should stop killing gays. Is that what happened?

You're being intentionally vague and evasive.....like there's something about your beliefs that you're ashamed of or are trying to hide. Just be honest. What should we be doing to the 'faggots' and the 'n*ggers' as you call them?

I'm still waiting on verses from the NT that say God tells us to kill faggots. You've been asked more than once and failed every time.

God doesn't change his mind. People like you misuse his word. His worded warned us about people like and and is clear about what will happen to you because you did.

No, you're still evading. For nearly 2 millennium Christians killed gays in God's name, quoting the OT. Now you dismiss mention of the OT and demand passages from the NT.

Did virtually the entire history of your faith get it wrong? Or did you? Are gays supposed to be executed as commanded in Leviticus and carried out by Christians for centuries? Or did they horribly misinterpret the Bible, using it to justify horrendous acts of evil, cruelty and sin?

Pick one. Because your evasions only demonstrate that you've got something to hide about your faith. And there are topics related to homosexuality and Christianity that you do NOT want to discuss.

So you can't provide them. Go **** yourself until you can. I bet that's the only way you'll ever get some if you can call ******* yourself as getting some.

Ah, the conservative Christian perspective of the 'True Believer'. Run from the horrendous theological holes in your faith and their treatment of gays, and tell anyone who dares to question you to 'go **** themselves'.

But its Morovant that makes Christianity look like something that folks don't want?

Laughing...really?

The anti gay thing really helped me realize religions are all man made.

I can't believe gays believe christians who tell them they are flawed. I'd be like **** you and your religion.

 

[elektra]

The way Montrovant makes Christianity out to be is why people oppose it. Someone that doesn't have a clue convince enough people they do and those other idiots listen because it's what they want to hear.

So you babble about '******' and 'n*ggers' and how you're going to take comfort that the 'faggots' are going to hell.

And you think its Montrovant that makes Christianity out to be something people oppose?

I think Jesus said something about motes and beams that might be useful for you to look up right about now. As the brand of Christianity that you and Fred Phelps specialize in make Christianty look hateful and awful.

I take comfort that sinners won't be in heaven. It's you that went from point A to Z without looking at B through Y.

Laughing....uh-huh. Don't feel the need to backpedal on my account. Tell us more about what you're teaching your children about the 'faggots' and the 'n*ggers'. I want the conservative christian perspective well represented and straight from the horse's mouth.

If you oppose Christianity, it's because you make the choice to do so. Blaming me gives your useless ass an excuse.

You're confused. I'm inviting you to share the conservative christian perspective on the 'faggots' and the 'n*ggers' as you call them. And tell us all what God thinks about them. How you feel about them. And what we should do to them.

I think you're too intimidated by people like me. And have spent most of your time trying to backpedal and soften your statements. There's no need. Tell us how it is. What does the Bible tell us to do to them 'faggots' and 'n*ggers'? Give us God's perpective, so we can weight the merits of Christianity from the views of a 'real Christian'.

God's word say homosexuality is wrong. I believe in God's word. If you don't agree, you're not questioning me but God. He'll get His chance to correct your thinking some day.

God says to kill em. The founders did. Were they following God's word...and you not? Or are you following God's word, and the founders got it wrong?

You can't both be right.

The idiot is incoherent, obviously uneducated.

And now you've abandoned your entire argument to toss awkward attempts at insult at me.

So much for your claim that the 'left teaches chidren homosexuality'. Even you have no idea what that means.

Another lie, i do not argue with a liar.

 

[Montrovant]

Democrats desire to teach Homosexuality to children and nobody will stop them, not even the law.

Conservatives desire to teach hatred of homosexuals to children- and luckily we have been largely successful at stopping them.

As a Conservative I teach my children that HOMOSEXUALITY is wrong. YOU twist it to call it hate of the person.

If your children did something wrong, did you hate them or did you just dislike what they did?

I completely understand the difference between hating a person and hating something about them or something they do. However, when you throw around epithets like ****** as you have in this thread, it strongly suggests more than simply 'hating the sin'.

Don't confuse politically incorrect terms with hate. That would be a good example of you implying something incorrectly. I'm not politically correct in person and damn sure won't change for this site.

First, I think you mean I am incorrectly reading an implication in your words. I'm not the one implying something in this case.

Second, I find the argument that using an insult is simply a matter of not being PC fairly weak. If you know a word is looked at as insulting and you proceed to not only use it, but use it often and in conjunction with derogatory or negative statements, that appears as more than just not being PC. That looks like intentional insulting and hostility. I can accept that you may not mean it that way, but it certainly comes off that way.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

So did most Christians throughout the history of your faith. The founders actually quoted passages from Leviticus word for word. And killed any gay they found. As did every other State in the Union. With their justification being religious.

The puritians did the same thing. They just killed the adulterers too.

Did they get Christianity wrong? Were they not supposed to mention the OT? If so, why did the overwhelming history of your faith not get the memo until the last dozen decades or so? I mean, either its not as easy as you claim.......or the Christians throughout the majority of the history of your faith weren't 'true believers'.

Either that or God changed his mind. And around the 1800s or so decided that we should stop killing gays. Is that what happened?

You're being intentionally vague and evasive.....like there's something about your beliefs that you're ashamed of or are trying to hide. Just be honest. What should we be doing to the 'faggots' and the 'n*ggers' as you call them?

I'm still waiting on verses from the NT that say God tells us to kill faggots. You've been asked more than once and failed every time.

God doesn't change his mind. People like you misuse his word. His worded warned us about people like and and is clear about what will happen to you because you did.

No, you're still evading. For nearly 2 millennium Christians killed gays in God's name, quoting the OT. Now you dismiss mention of the OT and demand passages from the NT.

Did virtually the entire history of your faith get it wrong? Or did you? Are gays supposed to be executed as commanded in Leviticus and carried out by Christians for centuries? Or did they horribly misinterpret the Bible, using it to justify horrendous acts of evil, cruelty and sin?

Pick one. Because your evasions only demonstrate that you've got something to hide about your faith. And there are topics related to homosexuality and Christianity that you do NOT want to discuss.

So you can't provide them. Go **** yourself until you can. I bet that's the only way you'll ever get some if you can call ******* yourself as getting some.

Ah, the conservative Christian perspective of the 'True Believer'. Run from the horrendous theological holes in your faith and their treatment of gays, and tell anyone who dares to question you to 'go **** themselves'.

But its Morovant that makes Christianity look like something that folks don't want?

Laughing...really?

The anti gay thing really helped me realize religions are all man made.

I can't believe gays believe christians who tell them they are flawed. I'd be like **** you and your religion.

You just discovered that Christians admonish sinners to repent?

 

[Montrovant]

When you say 'I'm comforted in knowing sinners won't be in heaven', then, what do you mean? Clearly, if everyone is a sinner, then there will be sinners in heaven. Unless you don't think anyone goes to heaven, that is.

Heaven is full of saints, not sinners. Saints repent of their sin, receive forgiveness, and mend their ways. Those who do not repent and forsake their sin are forever separated from the love of God.

Does that mean that you consider yourself a saint, or that you believe you will be a saint before you die, or that you will become a saint after you die but before judgement, or that you don't expect to go to heaven?

Again, one of the most common concepts I've heard from Christianity is that all people, every last one other than Christ himself, is a sinner. No amount of repentance changes this intrinsic part of humanity. We are to strive to be as close to perfect as we can but will never achieve it in this life.

Based on this, while I understand that those who do not repent may not get into heaven, those who do get into heaven will still have been sinners while on Earth.

Saying heaven is full of saints makes me wonder if you believe there are a lot of humans on Earth who are free from sin.

You haven't talked to many Christians then. Protestants believe in imputed righteousness, that is, a believer is positionally holy before God, sharing in the impeccable nature of Christ. We Catholics believe in progressive sanctification, that we pursue holiness in this life and that process is brought to completion in Purgatory, where all imperfections are removed in preparation for heaven. No Christian believes that we continue to be practicing sinners after conversion. The Bible says in several ways that we are to crucify the flesh and walk in the newness of our Christian confession; that we are new creations in Christ.

I have listened to many Christians discuss their beliefs and I think you are the first to say or imply that people might live free from sin. If you are saying that people are freed from sin in the afterlife, that is entirely different.

That's not what I said at all. I gave a very clear explanation which you ignored both from the prevailing Protestant view and from the Catholic view, neither of which said that people live free from sin. So you prove that you don't actually listen.

Moreover, your argument that anyone who is perfect in heaven must also be perfect on earth is more than myopic. Christians are translated, made perfect for heaven. What we do here is practice for eternal life, for we are called to abandon the ways of the flesh and pursue the holiness of God and to live holy lives as best we can. Nothing in that implies that we can continue in reprobate practices. Here's what St. James says:

"Submit yourselves then to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. Come near to God and he will come near to you. Wash your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded. Grieve, mourn and wail! Change your laughter to mourning and your joy to gloom. Humble yourselves before the Lord and he will lift you up."

(4:7-10)

That's the calling of every Christian, to repent, to abandon wicked ways, and to purge ourselves of the filth of sin. In no way can that be mistaken for a belief in living as sinners

Perhaps you should pay more attention to my and others' posts before you complain I am not paying enough attention to yours.

I clearly stated that if you were discussing people being without sin after death it is different. In other words, I admitted that I may have misconstrued what you were saying. However, this began because Conservative65 said there would be no sinners in heaven. That seemed to indicate, particularly in context, that some people live without sin. You then interjected yourself by saying heaven has only saints who repent and mend their ways. Again, particularly in context, this seemed to indicate the living.

I have not once argued that anyone who is perfect in heaven must also be perfect on earth. I have been trying to get clarification to the claim that there are no sinners in heaven. Conservative65 did eventually do so, agreeing that it would be more accurate to say there are no unrepentant sinners in heaven.

 

[sealybobo]

I'm still waiting on verses from the NT that say God tells us to kill faggots. You've been asked more than once and failed every time.

God doesn't change his mind. People like you misuse his word. His worded warned us about people like and and is clear about what will happen to you because you did.

No, you're still evading. For nearly 2 millennium Christians killed gays in God's name, quoting the OT. Now you dismiss mention of the OT and demand passages from the NT.

Did virtually the entire history of your faith get it wrong? Or did you? Are gays supposed to be executed as commanded in Leviticus and carried out by Christians for centuries? Or did they horribly misinterpret the Bible, using it to justify horrendous acts of evil, cruelty and sin?

Pick one. Because your evasions only demonstrate that you've got something to hide about your faith. And there are topics related to homosexuality and Christianity that you do NOT want to discuss.

So you can't provide them. Go **** yourself until you can. I bet that's the only way you'll ever get some if you can call ******* yourself as getting some.

Ah, the conservative Christian perspective of the 'True Believer'. Run from the horrendous theological holes in your faith and their treatment of gays, and tell anyone who dares to question you to 'go **** themselves'.

But its Morovant that makes Christianity look like something that folks don't want?

Laughing...really?

The anti gay thing really helped me realize religions are all man made.

I can't believe gays believe christians who tell them they are flawed. I'd be like **** you and your religion.

You just discovered that Christians admonish sinners to repent?

Why focus on that one "sin" you dont happen to commit? Why not worry about the 51% of your marriages that end in divorce because you lie chat steal or commit adultery? Or your racism or greed or stupidity?

Why with so many flaws have you been worrying about gays since Bush got into office? Did this wedge issue backfire? Because ten years ago we were a lot more homophobic.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Democrats desire to teach Homosexuality to children and nobody will stop them, not even the law.

Conservatives desire to teach hatred of homosexuals to children- and luckily we have been largely successful at stopping them.

As a Conservative I teach my children that HOMOSEXUALITY is wrong. YOU twist it to call it hate of the person.

If your children did something wrong, did you hate them or did you just dislike what they did?

I completely understand the difference between hating a person and hating something about them or something they do. However, when you throw around epithets like ****** as you have in this thread, it strongly suggests more than simply 'hating the sin'.

Don't confuse politically incorrect terms with hate. That would be a good example of you implying something incorrectly. I'm not politically correct in person and damn sure won't change for this site.

First, I think you mean I am incorrectly reading an implication in your words. I'm not the one implying something in this case.

Second, I find the argument that using an insult is simply a matter of not being PC fairly weak. If you know a word is looked at as insulting and you proceed to not only use it, but use it often and in conjunction with derogatory or negative statements, that appears as more than just not being PC. That looks like intentional insulting and hostility. I can accept that you may not mean it that way, but it certainly comes off that way.

You know something? Just having a disagreement with the homosexual lifestyle is received as hate and bigotry by you people. It's time we realized there's no pleasing the demonic Left so I, and other Christians as well, have stopped trying. I don't give a triple flying Fahrvergnügen what you people find offensive since you rage at even the slightest deviation from your lock step brainwashed dogma. You're not worth the effort.

 

[Skylar]

So you babble about '******' and 'n*ggers' and how you're going to take comfort that the 'faggots' are going to hell.

And you think its Montrovant that makes Christianity out to be something people oppose?

I think Jesus said something about motes and beams that might be useful for you to look up right about now. As the brand of Christianity that you and Fred Phelps specialize in make Christianty look hateful and awful.

I take comfort that sinners won't be in heaven. It's you that went from point A to Z without looking at B through Y.

Laughing....uh-huh. Don't feel the need to backpedal on my account. Tell us more about what you're teaching your children about the 'faggots' and the 'n*ggers'. I want the conservative christian perspective well represented and straight from the horse's mouth.

If you oppose Christianity, it's because you make the choice to do so. Blaming me gives your useless ass an excuse.

You're confused. I'm inviting you to share the conservative christian perspective on the 'faggots' and the 'n*ggers' as you call them. And tell us all what God thinks about them. How you feel about them. And what we should do to them.

I think you're too intimidated by people like me. And have spent most of your time trying to backpedal and soften your statements. There's no need. Tell us how it is. What does the Bible tell us to do to them 'faggots' and 'n*ggers'? Give us God's perpective, so we can weight the merits of Christianity from the views of a 'real Christian'.

God's word say homosexuality is wrong. I believe in God's word. If you don't agree, you're not questioning me but God. He'll get His chance to correct your thinking some day.

God says to kill em. The founders did. Were they following God's word...and you not? Or are you following God's word, and the founders got it wrong?

You can't both be right.

The idiot is incoherent, obviously uneducated.

And now you've abandoned your entire argument to toss awkward attempts at insult at me.

So much for your claim that the 'left teaches chidren homosexuality'. Even you have no idea what that means.

Another lie, i do not argue with a liar.

Elecktra....you're desperately looking for an excuse to run. You don't need one. Just run.

As you're clearly out of your depth here. I call you on your posts. I demand specifics. And you just don't have any.

 

[sealybobo]

Heaven is full of saints, not sinners. Saints repent of their sin, receive forgiveness, and mend their ways. Those who do not repent and forsake their sin are forever separated from the love of God.

Does that mean that you consider yourself a saint, or that you believe you will be a saint before you die, or that you will become a saint after you die but before judgement, or that you don't expect to go to heaven?

Again, one of the most common concepts I've heard from Christianity is that all people, every last one other than Christ himself, is a sinner. No amount of repentance changes this intrinsic part of humanity. We are to strive to be as close to perfect as we can but will never achieve it in this life.

Based on this, while I understand that those who do not repent may not get into heaven, those who do get into heaven will still have been sinners while on Earth.

Saying heaven is full of saints makes me wonder if you believe there are a lot of humans on Earth who are free from sin.

You haven't talked to many Christians then. Protestants believe in imputed righteousness, that is, a believer is positionally holy before God, sharing in the impeccable nature of Christ. We Catholics believe in progressive sanctification, that we pursue holiness in this life and that process is brought to completion in Purgatory, where all imperfections are removed in preparation for heaven. No Christian believes that we continue to be practicing sinners after conversion. The Bible says in several ways that we are to crucify the flesh and walk in the newness of our Christian confession; that we are new creations in Christ.

I have listened to many Christians discuss their beliefs and I think you are the first to say or imply that people might live free from sin. If you are saying that people are freed from sin in the afterlife, that is entirely different.

That's not what I said at all. I gave a very clear explanation which you ignored both from the prevailing Protestant view and from the Catholic view, neither of which said that people live free from sin. So you prove that you don't actually listen.

Moreover, your argument that anyone who is perfect in heaven must also be perfect on earth is more than myopic. Christians are translated, made perfect for heaven. What we do here is practice for eternal life, for we are called to abandon the ways of the flesh and pursue the holiness of God and to live holy lives as best we can. Nothing in that implies that we can continue in reprobate practices. Here's what St. James says:

"Submit yourselves then to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. Come near to God and he will come near to you. Wash your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded. Grieve, mourn and wail! Change your laughter to mourning and your joy to gloom. Humble yourselves before the Lord and he will lift you up."

(4:7-10)

That's the calling of every Christian, to repent, to abandon wicked ways, and to purge ourselves of the filth of sin. In no way can that be mistaken for a belief in living as sinners

Perhaps you should pay more attention to my and others' posts before you complain I am not paying enough attention to yours.

I clearly stated that if you were discussing people being without sin after death it is different. In other words, I admitted that I may have misconstrued what you were saying. However, this began because Conservative65 said there would be no sinners in heaven. That seemed to indicate, particularly in context, that some people live without sin. You then interjected yourself by saying heaven has only saints who repent and mend their ways. Again, particularly in context, this seemed to indicate the living.

I have not once argued that anyone who is perfect in heaven must also be perfect on earth. I have been trying to get clarification to the claim that there are no sinners in heaven. Conservative65 did eventually do so, agreeing that it would be more accurate to say there are no unrepentant sinners in heaven.

You will be a mind zombie for all eternity. You couldn't even lust if you wanted. Think Freddy Kruger's stomach.

 

[sealybobo]

Conservatives desire to teach hatred of homosexuals to children- and luckily we have been largely successful at stopping them.

As a Conservative I teach my children that HOMOSEXUALITY is wrong. YOU twist it to call it hate of the person.

If your children did something wrong, did you hate them or did you just dislike what they did?

I completely understand the difference between hating a person and hating something about them or something they do. However, when you throw around epithets like ****** as you have in this thread, it strongly suggests more than simply 'hating the sin'.

Don't confuse politically incorrect terms with hate. That would be a good example of you implying something incorrectly. I'm not politically correct in person and damn sure won't change for this site.

First, I think you mean I am incorrectly reading an implication in your words. I'm not the one implying something in this case.

Second, I find the argument that using an insult is simply a matter of not being PC fairly weak. If you know a word is looked at as insulting and you proceed to not only use it, but use it often and in conjunction with derogatory or negative statements, that appears as more than just not being PC. That looks like intentional insulting and hostility. I can accept that you may not mean it that way, but it certainly comes off that way.

You know something? Just having a disagreement with the homosexual lifestyle is received as hate and bigotry by you people. It's time we realized there's no pleasing the demonic Left so I, and other Christians as well, have stopped trying. I don't give a triple flying Fahrvergnügen what you people find offensive since you rage at even the slightest deviation from your lock step brainwashed dogma. You're not worth the effort.

And no ones joining a cult with your message. But as an athiest I love your honesty. Fastest growing population in america is athiests. And while Muslims are breedind I dont see their grandkids being devout in 2 generations. Church memberships going down. There use to be 20 now 10 churches. One day maybe only 1

The god of good and knowledge.

 

[Ame®icano]

The god of good and knowledge.

Lemme guess... government?

 

[Montrovant]

Conservatives desire to teach hatred of homosexuals to children- and luckily we have been largely successful at stopping them.

As a Conservative I teach my children that HOMOSEXUALITY is wrong. YOU twist it to call it hate of the person.

If your children did something wrong, did you hate them or did you just dislike what they did?

I completely understand the difference between hating a person and hating something about them or something they do. However, when you throw around epithets like ****** as you have in this thread, it strongly suggests more than simply 'hating the sin'.

Don't confuse politically incorrect terms with hate. That would be a good example of you implying something incorrectly. I'm not politically correct in person and damn sure won't change for this site.

First, I think you mean I am incorrectly reading an implication in your words. I'm not the one implying something in this case.

Second, I find the argument that using an insult is simply a matter of not being PC fairly weak. If you know a word is looked at as insulting and you proceed to not only use it, but use it often and in conjunction with derogatory or negative statements, that appears as more than just not being PC. That looks like intentional insulting and hostility. I can accept that you may not mean it that way, but it certainly comes off that way.

You know something? Just having a disagreement with the homosexual lifestyle is received as hate and bigotry by you people. It's time we realized there's no pleasing the demonic Left so I, and other Christians as well, have stopped trying. I don't give a triple flying Fahrvergnügen what you people find offensive since you rage at even the slightest deviation from your lock step brainwashed dogma. You're not worth the effort.

I don't know what 'you people' you think that I am, unless it's people who don't find anything particularly wrong with homosexuality. I am certainly not part of the left, demonic or otherwise. I sometimes find religious objections to homosexuality to be, if not hypocritical, at least strange when those same people are not so opposed to various other types of sin. However, I'm not raging at anyone for deviating from any dogma.

Using clearly insulting words while making what seem to be hostile posts (go suck a dick, ****** or things to that effect) may not sound like more than a difference in vocabulary to you. It seems deeper than that to me.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

As a Conservative I teach my children that HOMOSEXUALITY is wrong. YOU twist it to call it hate of the person.

If your children did something wrong, did you hate them or did you just dislike what they did?

I completely understand the difference between hating a person and hating something about them or something they do. However, when you throw around epithets like ****** as you have in this thread, it strongly suggests more than simply 'hating the sin'.

Don't confuse politically incorrect terms with hate. That would be a good example of you implying something incorrectly. I'm not politically correct in person and damn sure won't change for this site.

First, I think you mean I am incorrectly reading an implication in your words. I'm not the one implying something in this case.

Second, I find the argument that using an insult is simply a matter of not being PC fairly weak. If you know a word is looked at as insulting and you proceed to not only use it, but use it often and in conjunction with derogatory or negative statements, that appears as more than just not being PC. That looks like intentional insulting and hostility. I can accept that you may not mean it that way, but it certainly comes off that way.

You know something? Just having a disagreement with the homosexual lifestyle is received as hate and bigotry by you people. It's time we realized there's no pleasing the demonic Left so I, and other Christians as well, have stopped trying. I don't give a triple flying Fahrvergnügen what you people find offensive since you rage at even the slightest deviation from your lock step brainwashed dogma. You're not worth the effort.

And no ones joining a cult with your message. But as an athiest I love your honesty. Fastest growing population in america is athiests. And while Muslims are breedind I dont see their grandkids being devout in 2 generations. Church memberships going down. There use to be 20 now 10 churches. One day maybe only 1

The god of good and knowledge.

Yes, I'm sure you jack off listening to John Lennon's "Imagine". I'm sure you look forward to the day you're in charge again so you can resume killing millions of people to show how fucked up religion is.