96% of the temperature data in the U.S. is flawed? Of course it is, it isn't about accuracy, it's about advocacy....

[Flash]

If it's a fact, you should have no problem posting some links or quotes supporting your claim, as USMB rules REQUIRE.

You are confused Moon Bat

I can understand that over two decades ago you believed what Al Gore presented in his book and movie. After all it seemed legit with all the “facts” he presented, didn’t it?

However, soon after the errors were exposed. Most of what he had was either a downright lie or cherry-picked data. Even his famous “hockey stick” chart was a lie. Created with cherry picked ice core and tree ring data. When the real data was analyzed without cherry picking it actually showed a decrease in temperature.

That should have been a wake-up call but you idiots continued to believe the scam even as Gore flew around the world in his CO2 producing jet, buying beachfront property and making money hand over fist.

Then came the Climategate I and II revelations that the principle scientists purposely lied about the results of their science. They manipulated data to get desired results. That should have been a big time indication that this AGW bullshit was a scam but you Moon Bats continued to believe.

Then came the several revelations that NOAA and NASA had also manipulated climate data.

By this time nobody but you stupid Moon Bats idiots believed in the scam. It is like a religion with you turkeys. You put the Scientology religion to shame.

 

[mamooth]

I can understand that over two decades ago you believed what Al Gore

Gore Derangement Syndrome is so year-2000. It's sad that your cult hasn't come up with any new propaganda since then, forcing you to recycle the old stuff. I'm sure the Russians must have come up with something else since then for you to use. So why haven't you used it?

Then came the Climategate I

Where your side was disgraced forever, due to the way they were caught faking and fudging every single thing.

And you love them specifically because they are frauds. In your cult mind, it's a badge of honor to disgrace and humiliate yourself on behalf of of TheParty, because that demonstrates how loyal to TheParty someone is.

 

[mamooth]

In order to produce accurate temperature readings based on NOAA’s own published standards, thermometers are supposed to be in natural, “pristine” locations like fields, forests, hilltops,

The "pristine" sites show _more_ warming.

Oops. So much for your idiot propaganda. Better luck next time, cult boi.

That's the problem with refusing to look at any information that doesn't come from TheCult. TheCult deliberately refuses to tell you the real story, so you always end up humiliated.

Astonishingly, after each time you get left twisting in the wind, you run right back to your masters, drop to your knees, lick their boots with gusto, thank them for the lies, and beg for more lies.

 

[ReinyDays]

No....NOAA is made up of human beings, and they are corrupt......we saw the scandal years ago, and yet they are still trusted.....Climategate was real, and it shows that the bureaucrats are incentivized to make up their data...

This weather information is also reported by local media ... we can confirm the data NOAA gives for 1926 because all the newspapers at the time also reported this information ... you claimed humans have no effect on temperatures, which is as ignorant as saying humans cause all the warming ... the fact remains it's too soon to tell ...

Climategate was done at the IPCC, not NOAA, yeah, somebody took NOAA data, rearraged it to suit their agenda, but then got caught when someobody else checked, like they do in science ...

... and the IPCC is a political organization ... dissonance is "eliminated", if you get my drift ...

 

[ReinyDays]

NOAA records temperatures at airports ... because pilots (sometimes) have to calculate something called "density altitude" ... so they don't fly crowded 747s into mountains ... and this is close enough to agricultural interests for their use ...

Couple degrees difference within a couple of miles is common ... very common ... basic meteorology children ...

 

[2aguy]

This weather information is also reported by local media ... we can confirm the data NOAA gives for 1926 because all the newspapers at the time also reported this information ... you claimed humans have no effect on temperatures, which is as ignorant as saying humans cause all the warming ... the fact remains it's too soon to tell ...

Climategate was done at the IPCC, not NOAA, yeah, somebody took NOAA data, rearraged it to suit their agenda, but then got caught when someobody else checked, like they do in science ...

... and the IPCC is a political organization ... dissonance is "eliminated", if you get my drift ...

No...I did not claim humans have no effect on temperature.......the article states when you lay black top down it gets hot.....it holds the heat..........men do not effect the climate........

 

[Flash]

No...I did not claim humans have no effect on temperature.......the article states when you lay black top down it gets hot.....it holds the heat..........men do not effect the climate........

Absolutely!

The power output of the sun and the earth's rotation around it determines the climate. Not my Tundra pickup truck.

 

[ReinyDays]

No...I did not claim humans have no effect on temperature.......the article states when you lay black top down it gets hot.....it holds the heat..........men do not effect the climate........

Moving the goal posts?

We know man made global warming is a scam.

Is this a scam or do humans have an effect on temperatures? ... the sad truth is you didn't mention climate in your OP ...

If you want to discuss climate, then you'll have to state how you measure climate ... so ... which airport has their thermometer in the wrong place? ... you said it was a scam, which airport is scamming us? ... do you even know what temperature measures? ...

 

[EMH]

The power output of the sun and the earth's rotation around it determines the climate

Well, it is also a constant and has been for billions of years. The Sun did not melt North America and freeze Greenland at the same time.

You have to explain what did to explain Earth climate change...

Since Co2 does nothing, what does cause Earth climate change?

The first part is understanding what is climate and what is weather. Climate is the parameters of Earth that allow certain ranges of weather. We don't get Cat 10 canes now, but we would if Earth had no ice. What are the parameters of climate that can change? Ocean levels Atmospheric...

www.usmessageboard.com

 

[EMH]

Moving the goal posts?



Is this a scam or do humans have an effect on temperatures? ... the sad truth is you didn't mention climate in your OP ...

If you want to discuss climate, then you'll have to state how you measure climate ... so ... which airport has their thermometer in the wrong place? ... you said it was a scam, which airport is scamming us? ... do you even know what temperature measures? ...

Ongoing urban heat sink effect has not warmed the atmosphere, along with adding Co2 to the atmosphere. While urban heat sink effect is real and documented, there is no evidence to data it is having a planetary effect...

 

[Flash]

Well, it is also a constant and has been for billions of years. The Sun did not melt North America and thaw Greenland at the same time.

You have to explain what did to explain Earth climate change...

Since Co2 does nothing, what does cause Earth climate change?

The first part is understanding what is climate and what is weather. Climate is the parameters of Earth that allow certain ranges of weather. We don't get Cat 10 canes now, but we would if Earth had no ice. What are the parameters of climate that can change? Ocean levels Atmospheric...

www.usmessageboard.com

The sun is not a constant with energy that hits the earth because the earth has a variation on the distant. It is called the Milankovitch cycle. It causes ice ages and warming trends. We are in a post glaical warming trend now. In another 20K years we will have another massive ice age. In the meantime we will have periods of greater warming and a few mini ice ages thrown in.

 

[EMH]

The sun is not a constant with energy that hits the earth because the earth has a variation on the distant. It is called the Milankovitch cycle. It causes ice ages and warming trends. We are in a post glaical warming trend now. In another 20K years we will have another massive ice age. In the meantime we will have periods of greater warming and a few mini ice ages thrown in.

That is complete BS. Milankovitch is complete BS, a re-write of climate history to suit a need.

The Milankovitch argues that 2.5 mile thick ice age glacier on Chicago recently was from an ice age that started in northern Canada 75k years earlier. That is laughable...

Already debated here to the max, including the "study" supporting McBullshit (what I call Milank) outed for "dating" wood that was outside for 20k+ years (actual wood fully decomposes is nature in 100 years, roots and all)

How old were the 2.5 mile thick glaciers covering Chicago in the past 20k-5 million years?

This is where the climate debate is now stuck. Every piece of land within 600 miles of a pole is in ice age, everything outside of that is not. Nobody has attempted to dispute that. It is the clear truth of Earth today. Milankovitch Cycles, which I call McBullshit Cycles, take a very...

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McBullshit is off by a factor of 10 at least on all measures of glaciers we have today....

Your definition of "ice age" is also just as wrong. This is the "Dennis Quaid-ification" of climate history.

 

[Flash]

Milankovitch is complete BS,

LOL!

 

[EMH]

LOL!

Is Antarctica today an ICE AGE?

 

[2aguy]

Moving the goal posts?



Is this a scam or do humans have an effect on temperatures? ... the sad truth is you didn't mention climate in your OP ...

If you want to discuss climate, then you'll have to state how you measure climate ... so ... which airport has their thermometer in the wrong place? ... you said it was a scam, which airport is scamming us? ... do you even know what temperature measures? ...

They have a list at Watts Up.......usually with photos showing the temperature reader under the exhaust fan of an airconditioning unit...

Here ....a quick look...

As indicated in a 2009 study2, the majority of weather stations used by NOAA to detect the climate change temperature signal have been compromised by encroachment of artificial surfaces like concrete, asphalt, and heat sources like air conditioner exhausts.

Figure 1 – USHCN weather station used for climate data in a parking lot. University of Arizona Atmospheric Sciences Department, Tucson. The station had previously been in a grassy area but got moved as the campus grew.

Figure 2 – NOAA MMTS temperature sensor (used for climate data) located on street corner in Ardmore, OK in full viewshed of multiple heatsinks.

Everything ClimateThe data and the theories

An official U.S. Climate monitoring station, operated by NOAA/NWS at the University of Arizona, Tucson. It has been closed since it was revealed that it was sited in a hot parking lot. Pro: Multipl…

everythingclimate.com

 

[EMH]

They have a list at Watts Up.......usually with photos showing the temperature reader under the exhaust fan of an airconditioning unit...

Here ....a quick look...

As indicated in a 2009 study2, the majority of weather stations used by NOAA to detect the climate change temperature signal have been compromised by encroachment of artificial surfaces like concrete, asphalt, and heat sources like air conditioner exhausts.

Figure 1 – USHCN weather station used for climate data in a parking lot. University of Arizona Atmospheric Sciences Department, Tucson. The station had previously been in a grassy area but got moved as the campus grew.

Figure 2 – NOAA MMTS temperature sensor (used for climate data) located on street corner in Ardmore, OK in full viewshed of multiple heatsinks.

Everything ClimateThe data and the theories

An official U.S. Climate monitoring station, operated by NOAA/NWS at the University of Arizona, Tucson. It has been closed since it was revealed that it was sited in a hot parking lot. Pro: Multipl…

everythingclimate.com

This is what they learned in the 1970s from the Global cooling hoax, that just measuring the surface of growing urban areas gives them "warming" they can blame on whatever...

 

[2aguy]

Moving the goal posts?



Is this a scam or do humans have an effect on temperatures? ... the sad truth is you didn't mention climate in your OP ...

If you want to discuss climate, then you'll have to state how you measure climate ... so ... which airport has their thermometer in the wrong place? ... you said it was a scam, which airport is scamming us? ... do you even know what temperature measures? ...

They have a list at Watts Up.......usually with photos showing the temperature reader under the exhaust fan of an airconditioning unit...

Here ....a quick look...

As indicated in a 2009 study2, the majority of weather stations used by NOAA to detect the climate change temperature signal have been compromised by encroachment of artificial surfaces like concrete, asphalt, and heat sources like air conditioner exhausts.

Figure 1 – USHCN weather station used for climate data in a parking lot. University of Arizona Atmospheric Sciences Department, Tucson. The station had previously been in a grassy area but got moved as the campus grew.

Figure 2 – NOAA MMTS temperature sensor (used for climate data) located on street corner in Ardmore, OK in full viewshed of multiple heatsinks.

Everything ClimateThe data and the theories

An official U.S. Climate monitoring station, operated by NOAA/NWS at the University of Arizona, Tucson. It has been closed since it was revealed that it was sited in a hot parking lot. Pro: Multipl…

everythingclimate.com

Moving the goal posts?



Is this a scam or do humans have an effect on temperatures? ... the sad truth is you didn't mention climate in your OP ...

If you want to discuss climate, then you'll have to state how you measure climate ... so ... which airport has their thermometer in the wrong place? ... you said it was a scam, which airport is scamming us? ... do you even know what temperature measures? ...

Here......a whole report on corrupted temperature stations...

The 2009 report surveyed and photographed more than 850 USHCN stations, providing an analysis of their temperature data. The peer-reviewed paper was published and distributed to thousands of lawmakers, scholars, and scientists. Some of the most important findings in the original report are listed below:


• Many climate monitoring stations were located next to exhaust fans of air conditioning units, surrounded by asphalt parking lots and roads, located on blistering-hot rooftops, or placed near sidewalks and buildings that absorb and radiate heat.

• Sixty-eight stations were located at waste-water treatment plants (WWTP), where the process of waste digestion creates higher temperatures than in surrounding areas. In addition, the infrastructure of WWTPs is almost entirely asphalt and concrete, making them unrepresentative of the surrounding area and unsuitable for thermometer placement to measure long-term changes in temperature.
• Approximately 90 percent of the USHCN stations failed to meet the NWS’s own siting requirements, which stipulate that stations must be 30 meters (100 feet) or more away from an artificial or radiating / reflecting heat source.8 A rating system based on official NOAA documents was employed to assess each station.9 See Figure 3.

Many stations often had missing, incomplete, or erroneous data, perhaps due to the volunteer-based network of observers who could not always record or report data based upon illness, week-day only reporting, and/or vacation days.

• The report found that major gaps in the data record were “infilled” with temperature data from nearby sites, compounding errors from other stations that were also non-compliant with station siting requirements.
• The report observed that changes in the technology of temperature stations over time resulted in many being placed closer to buildings, as well as other heat sinks such as asphalt, concrete, and brick infrastructure. In some cases, official NWS thermometers were moved to parking lots and next to external heat-generating air conditioner units from previously cooler locations that were no longer available for thermometer placement. See Figure 4.
• --------------
• • The report concluded that nine of every 10 USHCN stations were likely reporting inaccurately high temperatures because they were poorly sited and in violation of NOAA / NWS published standards for thermometer placement.12 An additional rating system was also used, pioneered by Michel Leroy of Météo-France, which allowed classification of stations by distance to buildings, asphalt, concrete, and other man-made influences.13
  • The report suggested that adjustments to the temperature data by NOAA / NCEI also cause recent temperatures to appear higher, due to the infilling mechanism for missing data employed during creation of a national temperature average, as well as other adjustments.

https://heartland.org/wp-content/uploads/documents/2022_Surface_Station_Report.pdf

 

[ReinyDays]

They have a list at Watts Up.......usually with photos showing the temperature reader under the exhaust fan of an airconditioning unit...

Here ....a quick look...

As indicated in a 2009 study2, the majority of weather stations used by NOAA to detect the climate change temperature signal have been compromised by encroachment of artificial surfaces like concrete, asphalt, and heat sources like air conditioner exhausts.

Figure 1 – USHCN weather station used for climate data in a parking lot. University of Arizona Atmospheric Sciences Department, Tucson. The station had previously been in a grassy area but got moved as the campus grew.

Figure 2 – NOAA MMTS temperature sensor (used for climate data) located on street corner in Ardmore, OK in full viewshed of multiple heatsinks.

Everything ClimateThe data and the theories

An official U.S. Climate monitoring station, operated by NOAA/NWS at the University of Arizona, Tucson. It has been closed since it was revealed that it was sited in a hot parking lot. Pro: Multipl…

everythingclimate.com

Here......a whole report on corrupted temperature stations...

The 2009 report surveyed and photographed more than 850 USHCN stations, providing an analysis of their temperature data. The peer-reviewed paper was published and distributed to thousands of lawmakers, scholars, and scientists. Some of the most important findings in the original report are listed below:


• Many climate monitoring stations were located next to exhaust fans of air conditioning units, surrounded by asphalt parking lots and roads, located on blistering-hot rooftops, or placed near sidewalks and buildings that absorb and radiate heat.

• Sixty-eight stations were located at waste-water treatment plants (WWTP), where the process of waste digestion creates higher temperatures than in surrounding areas. In addition, the infrastructure of WWTPs is almost entirely asphalt and concrete, making them unrepresentative of the surrounding area and unsuitable for thermometer placement to measure long-term changes in temperature.
• Approximately 90 percent of the USHCN stations failed to meet the NWS’s own siting requirements, which stipulate that stations must be 30 meters (100 feet) or more away from an artificial or radiating / reflecting heat source.8 A rating system based on official NOAA documents was employed to assess each station.9 See Figure 3.

Many stations often had missing, incomplete, or erroneous data, perhaps due to the volunteer-based network of observers who could not always record or report data based upon illness, week-day only reporting, and/or vacation days.

• The report found that major gaps in the data record were “infilled” with temperature data from nearby sites, compounding errors from other stations that were also non-compliant with station siting requirements.
• The report observed that changes in the technology of temperature stations over time resulted in many being placed closer to buildings, as well as other heat sinks such as asphalt, concrete, and brick infrastructure. In some cases, official NWS thermometers were moved to parking lots and next to external heat-generating air conditioner units from previously cooler locations that were no longer available for thermometer placement. See Figure 4.
• --------------
• • The report concluded that nine of every 10 USHCN stations were likely reporting inaccurately high temperatures because they were poorly sited and in violation of NOAA / NWS published standards for thermometer placement.12 An additional rating system was also used, pioneered by Michel Leroy of Météo-France, which allowed classification of stations by distance to buildings, asphalt, concrete, and other man-made influences.13
  • The report suggested that adjustments to the temperature data by NOAA / NCEI also cause recent temperatures to appear higher, due to the infilling mechanism for missing data employed during creation of a national temperature average, as well as other adjustments.

https://heartland.org/wp-content/uploads/documents/2022_Surface_Station_Report.pdf

You've got two pictures, which are NOT weather stations ... if you'd care to notice, there's NO anemometer ... ha ha ha ... here's a photo of a real weather station at a real airport ... please notice the TWO anemometers at the top, at 3 meters from ground level ... that's a very specific feature to all weather stations all over the world ... or it's not a weather station ... Watts Up is lying to you, again ...

From NOAA: "Three completely independent PRTs are used. Each PRT probe is installed in a pair of clips inside its own mechanically (fan) aspirated radiation shield (Met One model 076B/7308). Each shield is mounted vertically downward from its own 3 m long cross-member arm, about 1.5 m above the surface of the ground. Each shield is leveled and held in position by set screws." ... {Cite} ...