93% of hospital executives think Obamacare will make health care better

[Vox]

And its been reported for some months now that costs are indeed going down.

not true

True that insurance companies won't be making the obscene profits but I think they'll survive somehow.

quite the opposite - they are going to be rolling in money and that is what it was designed for - rob the middle class to enrich the 1% - as usual with dimocraps

Hospitals won't be struggling to continue to afford expensive services like trauma and burn units. And, doctors can treat their patients instead of trying to figure out how to treat without treating.

hospitals are NEVER struggling. the ones which do - simply close, but most make horrendous profits - in the OR and ER mostly.

doctors can treat the patients NOW. the moment they will conform to this obamacare crap it will be worse than medicaid - they won't be able to treat as only certain drugs and certain procedures and certain providers will be authorized.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

And 100% of hospital executives ar earning obscene amounts of wealth because of other people's misfortune. Of course they're for it. Any legal requirement to buy insurance lines their own pockets. And if they can bill an insurance company instead of swallowing costs themselves as often seen in emergency room visits by the uninsured they'll be all for it. It's why hospital expenses are so absurd. An asprin may cost 10's of dollars, but because they're billing an insurance company no one burns the hospital down.

Thanks but I still say with high premiums people will still stick it to the hospitals andt tax payers. Who has.5 grand sitting around if they only make 25 grand a year?

Your sig:

A Republican and a Democrat were walking down the street when they came to a homeless person. The Republican gave the homeless person his business card and told him to come to his business for a job. He then took twenty dollars out of his pocket and gave it to the homeless person.
The Democrat was very impressed, and when they came to another homeless person, he decided to help. He walked over to the homeless person and gave him directions to the welfare office. He then reached into the Republican's pocket and gave the homeless person fifty dollars. Now you understand the difference between Republicans and Democrats


Ya, the Republican's solution results ina dead person since $25 then having to work a couple weeks til the next paycheck isn't enough to live on. The Democrat's solution of $50 and directions to the welfare office results in emergency foodtsamps that day saving the person's life.

I spent a summer among the homeless 'street camping.' I wasn't technically homeless, I had one, I just wasn't there for a few months. Ya learn what actually works and what doesn't when you put yourself on the front line so to speak.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

I'm sick of insurance companies making enormous profits on the backs of the little guy. With ObamaCare, they are forced to spend 80% of premiums on actual patient care. That's why we got the two refunds.

 

[Pickle]

They are executives. If you ran a tea stand and someone asked you if you think your business will be better in 10 years, you better say yes. Duh.

 

[Dutch]

The main problem with the ACA is that Obama proposed it. If he proposed a trillion dollars for more cancer research and they found a cure the cons would still bitch. Obama could shit gold bricks, pay off the national debt and cons would bitch because the price of gold would plummet. They hate him, at this point it does not matter what he does.

 

[Meister]

The main problem with the ACA is that Obama proposed it. If he proposed a trillion dollars for more cancer research and they found a cure the cons would still bitch. Obama could shit gold bricks, pay off the national debt and cons would bitch because the price of gold would plummet. They hate him, at this point it does not matter what he does.

you do know that democrats and independents also have a problem with Obamacare, right?

 

[Dutch]

The main problem with the ACA is that Obama proposed it. If he proposed a trillion dollars for more cancer research and they found a cure the cons would still bitch. Obama could shit gold bricks, pay off the national debt and cons would bitch because the price of gold would plummet. They hate him, at this point it does not matter what he does.

you do know that democrats and independents also have a problem with Obamacare, right?

Yea they want single payer.

 

[Vox]

I work for a major hospital system. I won't say the admins love Obamacare but what they do love is stablization. Once the dust settles and there are more insured, the mission of a healthier community will become easier.

The great misnomer (i.e. lie) is that emergency care is something the Hosptial makes a ton of money on. Hardly. What we make money on is procedures. More covered procedures will mean more money for the system, for sure. The great thing about Obamacare is that it will move people to get routine and periodic check-ups instead of waiting until they are sick to self-present to the ER.

The trend is to close the trauma centers and move to ambulatory care clinics. We've increased the number of campuses in the system and actually decreased the number of ERs.

Are you Serious? You would have to drage people like me kicking and screaming for periodic check ups. Going to a quack is like going to DOT forget it and how come woman now are turning against Obama care? Last I read it was a 6% drop.

that blabber is absolutely NOT serious and it makes me think she is lying or working on the extremely low level as only this can explain this idiocy of a statement :

The trend is to close the trauma centers and move to ambulatory care clinics.

Only a total idiot or uneducated moron can compare trauma center with an ambulatory clinic or assume one can be changed for the other.
Or a liar who simply does not know what she is talking about.

a trauma center can not be substituted by an ambulatory clinic as an ambulatory clinic can not take care of the head injury after a GSW or a total crash on a highway ( as an example) or any other emergency medical care needed after trauma occurs.

this idiocy of the brainwashed left that ambulatory clinics can substitute EVERYTHING in the hospital is just revealing how ignorant they are about the subject they are trying to discuss.

 

[Vox]

I'm sick of insurance companies making enormous profits on the backs of the little guy. With ObamaCare, they are forced to spend 80% of premiums on actual patient care. That's why we got the two refunds.

above is an example of total bullshit.

with obamacare insurance companies won't spend a CENT on the patient care and receive premiums every month paid for NOTHING.

do you know what a deductible is?

 

[dblack]

The main problem with the ACA is that Obama proposed it. If he proposed a trillion dollars for more cancer research and they found a cure the cons would still bitch. Obama could shit gold bricks, pay off the national debt and cons would bitch because the price of gold would plummet. They hate him, at this point it does not matter what he does.

you do know that democrats and independents also have a problem with Obamacare, right?

Yea they want single payer.

So what? Seriously, people keep citing this as so it somehow makes the corporatist debacle we actually got 'ok' or something. If we can all agree that ACA sucks, it shouldn't matter that we have different alternatives in mind. If no one likes the fucking thing it should be repealed, period.

 

[william the wie]

I work for a major hospital system. I won't say the admins love Obamacare but what they do love is stablization. Once the dust settles and there are more insured, the mission of a healthier community will become easier.

The great misnomer (i.e. lie) is that emergency care is something the Hosptial makes a ton of money on. Hardly. What we make money on is procedures. More covered procedures will mean more money for the system, for sure. The great thing about Obamacare is that it will move people to get routine and periodic check-ups instead of waiting until they are sick to self-present to the ER.

The trend is to close the trauma centers and move to ambulatory care clinics. We've increased the number of campuses in the system and actually decreased the number of ERs.

Yes - Care has suffered on all levels except those with good insurance. Another lie from the right is that people in the US don't die for lack of health care. They do.

The whole system is geared to be profitable to insurance companies and drug companies.

Quite true but more will die from Ocare than have ever died of lack of insurance. Waiting line deaths are highly profitable to insurance companies and hospitals but not the specialists who do the procedures, who will find greener pastures.

 

[Iceman]

Of course they like it, they make more money. You think they care about the welfare of their patients?

 

[JakeStarkey]

93% of hospital executives think Obamacare will make health care better

That is what my daughter's father-in-law says, and he is a hospital administrator.

Poor Jake he just cant come to terms with the fact that his boy Obama, and his bullshit health insurance reform, which he supported is hurting millions of Americans and screwing up the entire Health care system....admit you were wrong and move on.

Tough, my failed neo-con, that you can't accept that this is going to work for the overwhelming majority of Americans, whereas you are willing to let scores of millions suffer so industry can get rich

 

[bripat9643]

I'm sick of insurance companies making enormous profits on the backs of the little guy. With ObamaCare, they are forced to spend 80% of premiums on actual patient care. That's why we got the two refunds.

Most of the them already spend 95%, so that was really just a pointless feel-good measure designed to fool clueless idiots like you.

 

[JakeStarkey]

"Quite true but more will die from Ocare than have ever died of lack of insurance" is an incredibly on the face of it goofy statement, for one which no convincing facts or evidence is provided.

 

[Iceman]

I'm sick of insurance companies making enormous profits on the backs of the little guy. With ObamaCare, they are forced to spend 80% of premiums on actual patient care. That's why we got the two refunds.

The insurance companies aren't having their profits reduced, they are just cutting costs, namely by laying off insurance brokers. And the decline of the middle class continues...

 

[william the wie]

The main problem with the ACA is that Obama proposed it. If he proposed a trillion dollars for more cancer research and they found a cure the cons would still bitch. Obama could shit gold bricks, pay off the national debt and cons would bitch because the price of gold would plummet. They hate him, at this point it does not matter what he does.

you do know that democrats and independents also have a problem with Obamacare, right?

You got to be joking, subsidy users are disproportionately black and hispanic, why would they vote Democrat?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

So that's why in NJ more people signed up for online poker than for ObamaCare

 

[Jroc]

93% of hospital executives think Obamacare will make health care better

That is what my daughter's father-in-law says, and he is a hospital administrator.

Poor Jake he just cant come to terms with the fact that his boy Obama, and his bullshit health insurance reform, which he supported is hurting millions of Americans and screwing up the entire Health care system....admit you were wrong and move on.

Tough, my failed neo-con, that you can't accept that this is going to work for the overwhelming majority of Americans, whereas you are willing to let scores of millions suffer so industry can get rich

Transalation..."I have faith in Obama...He knows what's best for us what a joke you are fake

 

[Jroc]

I'm sick of insurance companies making enormous profits on the backs of the little guy. With ObamaCare, they are forced to spend 80% of premiums on actual patient care. That's why we got the two refunds.

Wait for the Obama insurance bailouts ...still to come