93% of hospital executives think Obamacare will make health care better

[jon_berzerk]

ARE YOU NUTS????
Do you understand! 80% leaves 20% BEFORE profit!
Then you have operating costs oh...like say salaries, benefits, buildings, computers, paper, Internet access.. simple things called COST OF DOING BUSINESS@!@@
That leaves as the experts tell us less then 4% net profits! AND THIS IS BEFORE FEDERAL/STATE/LOCAL taxes dumb f...k!!!

Why is it so hard to understand! Insurance companies simply pay the claims!

The margin for health insurance companies hovers at about 3% generally.
It is a rank of about 88 among 215 industries as far as profit margins go.

I just can't believe people like you having so little knowledge which is a total indictment of your education system!


Profit Margin for Health Insurance Companies |

you are getting too emotional here.

First of all insurance companies are the biggest winners of this crap - the law forces people to pay insurance companies for NOTHING as the monthly premium does not cover ANYTHING valuable for a standard person and all the coverage by insurance company which they are getting monthly premiums for are starting after the person spends 6.000-25.000 per year( depends on the plan).

you are telling me that is spending 80% on the medical care of the patient?

No, the monthly premium covers insurance for health-care claims for the policy period.
Second, insurers will be the biggest losers, as their calculations were based on a certain mix in their actuarial pools, a mix that isn't happening.
Do you actually understand how insurance works?

insurers will be the biggest losers

if the law was incorporated as signed into law

however that is not the case

obamacare is being run by random executive orders

with promises of subsidizing failing carriers and such

 

[The Rabbi]

insurers will be the biggest losers

if the law was incorporated as signed into law

however that is not the case

obamacare is being run by random executive orders

with promises of subsidizing failing carriers and such

The law was based on a false premise: that healthy young people would overpay for insurance they dont need and dont want to subsidize older sicker people. When that doesnt happen, and they opt to pay the lesser penalty, then claims will explode in risk pools. The insurers will survive because the feds will bail them out.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Perfect chump of the greedy rich...see sig....so many inconvenient facts...

Perfect chump of the greedy rich..

one thing is certain leaving insures 20% before profit

guarantees that only the largest greedy insurers survive

so maybe the number chosen was not random at all

 

[jon_berzerk]

insurers will be the biggest losers

if the law was incorporated as signed into law

however that is not the case

obamacare is being run by random executive orders

with promises of subsidizing failing carriers and such

The law was based on a false premise: that healthy young people would overpay for insurance they dont need and dont want to subsidize older sicker people. When that doesnt happen, and they opt to pay the lesser penalty, then claims will explode in risk pools. The insurers will survive because the feds will bail them out.

the whole law is simply awful

 

[deltex1]

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Salvatore Aversa: "The Republican Party can yell and scream about Obamacare all they want, but there is something that is not being explained. If the hospitals want it because it will reduce their costs, insurance companies want it because it will increase their customer base, and the American public wants it so they no longer have to worry about medical emergencies, who exactly are they trying to protect from it? Or is it they are simply looking for something to attack President Obama on?"
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93 percent of hospital executives think Obamacare will make health care better

by Ezra Klein
December 19, 2013

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Hospital executives think health reform is going to make the health care they deliver a whole lot better -- and a bit cheaper:

Fully 65 percent indicated that by 2020, they believe the healthcare system as a whole will be somewhat or significantly better than it is today. And when they were asked about their own institutions, the optimism was even more dramatic. Fully 93 percent predicted that the quality of care provided by their own health system would improve. This is probably related to efforts to diminish hospital acquired conditions, medication errors, and unnecessary re-admissions, as encouraged by financial penalties in the ACA.
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The fucking Morons could have done that without the disaster that is the ACA.

 

[Stephanie]

Judging by this thread and others by Star, it appears he has appointed himself Obama's Propaganda Minister. He's not so good at it, is he?

some see no shame in being a tool for a Politician or party...I find it embarrassing but the Democrat/Progressive party knows they have plenty of tools out there and don't mind using them one bit

 

[dblack]

No, the monthly premium covers insurance for health-care claims for the policy period.
Second, insurers will be the biggest losers, as their calculations were based on a certain mix in their actuarial pools, a mix that isn't happening.
Do you actually understand how insurance works?

The "product" created by ACA isn't insurance.

Depends on what you mean. ACA regulates insurance, it doesnt create it.

ACA is an attempt to convert private insurance companies into public utilities. Their profits will now depend primarily on their ability to manipulate regulatory policy. Whatever problems ACA may cause them in the short term will be a small price to pay for the security of becoming, essentially, another branch of government - albeit a privately held, and profit driven, branch of government.

 

[The Rabbi]

The "product" created by ACA isn't insurance.

Depends on what you mean. ACA regulates insurance, it doesnt create it.

ACA is an attempt to convert private insurance companies into a public utilities. Their profits will now depend primarily on their ability to manipulate regulatory policy. Whatever problems ACA may cause them in the short term will be a small price to pay for the security of becoming, essentially, another branch of government - albeit a privately held, and profit driven, branch of government.

OK I can buy that. It is what Dodd-Frank did with the major banks.

 

[Spoonman]

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Salvatore Aversa: "The Republican Party can yell and scream about Obamacare all they want, but there is something that is not being explained. If the hospitals want it because it will reduce their costs, insurance companies want it because it will increase their customer base, and the American public wants it so they no longer have to worry about medical emergencies, who exactly are they trying to protect from it? Or is it they are simply looking for something to attack President Obama on?"




93 percent of hospital executives think Obamacare will make health care better

by Ezra Klein
December 19, 2013

<snip>

Hospital executives think health reform is going to make the health care they deliver a whole lot better -- and a bit cheaper:

Fully 65 percent indicated that by 2020, they believe the healthcare system as a whole will be somewhat or significantly better than it is today. And when they were asked about their own institutions, the optimism was even more dramatic. Fully 93 percent predicted that the quality of care provided by their own health system would improve. This is probably related to efforts to diminish hospital acquired conditions, medication errors, and unnecessary re-admissions, as encouraged by financial penalties in the ACA.
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a very interesting thing to note about your post. Who wants obamacare? well those who stand to profit from it. hospitals, corporations, insurance companies. but who is opposed? people who have to use it. very interesting

 

[Star]

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Salvatore Aversa: "The Republican Party can yell and scream about Obamacare all they want, but there is something that is not being explained. If the hospitals want it because it will reduce their costs, insurance companies want it because it will increase their customer base, and the American public wants it so they no longer have to worry about medical emergencies, who exactly are they trying to protect from it? Or is it they are simply looking for something to attack President Obama on?"




93 percent of hospital executives think Obamacare will make health care better

by Ezra Klein
December 19, 2013

<snip>

Hospital executives think health reform is going to make the health care they deliver a whole lot better -- and a bit cheaper:

Fully 65 percent indicated that by 2020, they believe the healthcare system as a whole will be somewhat or significantly better than it is today. And when they were asked about their own institutions, the optimism was even more dramatic. Fully 93 percent predicted that the quality of care provided by their own health system would improve. This is probably related to efforts to diminish hospital acquired conditions, medication errors, and unnecessary re-admissions, as encouraged by financial penalties in the ACA.
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a very interesting thing to note about your post. Who wants obamacare? well those who stand to profit from it. hospitals, corporations, insurance companies. but who is opposed? people who have to use it. very interesting

Where does it say in the OP that "people that use [Obamacare] it" are "opposed" to it?

"According to the survey, 43% say they oppose the health care law because it is too liberal, with 15% saying they give the measure a thumbs down because it is not liberal enough. That means half the public either favors Obamacare, or opposes it because it's not liberal enough, down four points from last month."
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[Meister]

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Salvatore Aversa: "The Republican Party can yell and scream about Obamacare all they want, but there is something that is not being explained. If the hospitals want it because it will reduce their costs, insurance companies want it because it will increase their customer base, and the American public wants it so they no longer have to worry about medical emergencies, who exactly are they trying to protect from it? Or is it they are simply looking for something to attack President Obama on?"




93 percent of hospital executives think Obamacare will make health care better

by Ezra Klein
December 19, 2013

<snip>

Hospital executives think health reform is going to make the health care they deliver a whole lot better -- and a bit cheaper:

Fully 65 percent indicated that by 2020, they believe the healthcare system as a whole will be somewhat or significantly better than it is today. And when they were asked about their own institutions, the optimism was even more dramatic. Fully 93 percent predicted that the quality of care provided by their own health system would improve. This is probably related to efforts to diminish hospital acquired conditions, medication errors, and unnecessary re-admissions, as encouraged by financial penalties in the ACA.
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a very interesting thing to note about your post. Who wants obamacare? well those who stand to profit from it. hospitals, corporations, insurance companies. but who is opposed? people who have to use it. very interesting

Where does it say in the OP that "people that use [Obamacare] it" are "opposed" to it?

"According to the survey, 43% say they oppose the health care law because it is too liberal, with 15% saying they give the measure a thumbs down because it is not liberal enough. That means half the public either favors Obamacare, or opposes it because it's not liberal enough, down four points from last month."
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Leave it to CNN to twist the wording.

 

[alisha7525]

it is better that 2020 doesnt see 93% fall in the entire thing that you have posted the health sector is doing well and it doesnt matter the obamas percentage of display of what ever he says refer to the following link

 

[Listening]

Maybe this thread title should be...

93% of all hospital executives think Obamacare will make them richer....

If somebody already posted this....sorry.