70% of conservatives would join a Tump-led third party.

[Cecilie1200]

I told my grandsons to go out and learn a trade rather than go to college. Then if they want a degree, go to college after work. The college instructors will not find brainwashing my grandsons easy as they have been out in the world learning how it really works.

That's actually the solution to our higher education problems. There is no law that states you must go to college right out of high school. Live at home, work full-time for a couple of years, start college at the age of 20 or 21, and pay for it in cash. If possible while attending college, work part-time to keep the money coming in. When school is out for the year, work full-time.

By the time you graduate, you won't have any college debt. If you do, it will be very small compared to kids that go from high school directly to college. Plus a lot of kids don't know what they want to go to college for. When you work for a few years, you're older, wiser, and more experienced and can make a better choice for your life.

Also, people who are paying for their own education tend to make much smarter decisions about it financially and take much better advantage of the learning opportunity.

My husband and I are the same age (He's one day younger than I am). His parents sent him to the University of Arizona right out of high school, and he proceeded to flunk out spectacularly. He had been accustomed to getting good grades in school without having to work very hard, and he didn't take his college coursework seriously enough. He had to drop back to community college for two years and work his way back into the UofA. He graduated with a dual major in journalism/creative writing and respectable grades but nothing to write home about, and promptly couldn't get a job in anything related to journalism. I had to show him how to parlay a degree in writing into "I'm an amazing employee in anything that requires communication".

I had to get a full-time job out of high school, along with part-time piecework and helping my mother take care of my dad, who was dying. I didn't have time for college, and I really didn't want to take on that kind of debt when we were already in a desperate situation. I eventually went to a trade school (because minimum wage sucks) that had a work-at-your-own-pace curriculum, passed all my coursework with perfect or near-perfect scores, and set a school record for completion speed. As time passed, I went to other trade schools to improve my career skills, always out-of-pocket and always at the head of the class. There was no way in Hell I was paying for anything less than being the best. By the time I eventually got to go to college - also paid from my own pocket - I made the Dean's List every semester. Fuck that "just getting by to say I have a degree" bullshit.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I told my grandsons to go out and learn a trade rather than go to college. Then if they want a degree, go to college after work. The college instructors will not find brainwashing my grandsons easy as they have been out in the world learning how it really works.

That's actually the solution to our higher education problems. There is no law that states you must go to college right out of high school. Live at home, work full-time for a couple of years, start college at the age of 20 or 21, and pay for it in cash. If possible while attending college, work part-time to keep the money coming in. When school is out for the year, work full-time.

By the time you graduate, you won't have any college debt. If you do, it will be very small compared to kids that go from high school directly to college. Plus a lot of kids don't know what they want to go to college for. When you work for a few years, you're older, wiser, and more experienced and can make a better choice for your life.

The other thing you can do is sign up for a hitch in the military. Don't know what the current enlistment periods are, might be 3 or 4 years but you can use the GI bill to help with college expenses if that is your goal and I think also with technical schools. And you have some working experience, which makes you a more attractive hire.

I did it both ways, got a job out of high school and took a few evening college courses at the local JC and then enlisted.

Government jobs and, I believe, some other employers will also give you seniority right out of the gate based on your military service.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I told my grandsons to go out and learn a trade rather than go to college. Then if they want a degree, go to college after work. The college instructors will not find brainwashing my grandsons easy as they have been out in the world learning how it really works.

That's actually the solution to our higher education problems. There is no law that states you must go to college right out of high school. Live at home, work full-time for a couple of years, start college at the age of 20 or 21, and pay for it in cash. If possible while attending college, work part-time to keep the money coming in. When school is out for the year, work full-time.

By the time you graduate, you won't have any college debt. If you do, it will be very small compared to kids that go from high school directly to college. Plus a lot of kids don't know what they want to go to college for. When you work for a few years, you're older, wiser, and more experienced and can make a better choice for your life.

Quite often if you get a job with a major company they will help pay your expenses for going to college.

Usually depends on what they hire you for, and which company.

But yes, a smart person looks for a company that offers tuition assistance and internal promotion, rather than just a quick hire and a paycheck.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Also, people who are paying for their own education tend to make much smarter decisions about it financially and take much better advantage of the learning opportunity.

My husband and I are the same age (He's one day younger than I am). His parents sent him to the University of Arizona right out of high school, and he proceeded to flunk out spectacularly. He had been accustomed to getting good grades in school without having to work very hard, and he didn't take his college coursework seriously enough. He had to drop back to community college for two years and work his way back into the UofA. He graduated with a dual major in journalism/creative writing and respectable grades but nothing to write home about, and promptly couldn't get a job in anything related to journalism. I had to show him how to parlay a degree in writing into "I'm an amazing employee in anything that requires communication".

I had to get a full-time job out of high school, along with part-time piecework and helping my mother take care of my dad, who was dying. I didn't have time for college, and I really didn't want to take on that kind of debt when we were already in a desperate situation. I eventually went to a trade school (because minimum wage sucks) that had a work-at-your-own-pace curriculum, passed all my coursework with perfect or near-perfect scores, and set a school record for completion speed. As time passed, I went to other trade schools to improve my career skills, always out-of-pocket and always at the head of the class. There was no way in Hell I was paying for anything less than being the best. By the time I eventually got to go to college - also paid from my own pocket - I made the Dean's List every semester. Fuck that "just getting by to say I have a degree" bullshit.

I don't know how old you are, but when I was younger, college was somewhat affordable. Today, kids get out of college with a 60K to 100K or more bill. It takes decades to support yourself, family and pay that off. I know one girl who majored in photography. Last I seen her which was many years ago, she was a receptionist at a television repair store. My nephews ex took up advertising. Until today she's processing loans at a bank. My niece graduated top of her class in biology. She's still waiting tables in Florida.

I think a lot of high school graduates have no idea WTF they want to be. Working for three or four years gives them time to meet other people, look at interesting lines of work, research the internet without being pressured to make a decision before college starts. The first step is looking at what skills are in demand, or better yet, high demand. Then setting your goals to get into such a career.

 

[noonereal]

who, exactly, accepts you as a "real" Republican

other real republicans

 

[JoeB131]

Yeah, 3 million votes all in one state. This is why we have an electoral college, so that one state doesn't get to pick the President for the rest of the country.

It wasn't just one state... Hillary got 65 million votes across the country... 3 million more than Trump did.

 

[JoeB131]

My big problem with the Libertarian Party is that they conduct themselves like a disorganized joke, instead of a serious group of people trying to accomplish something politically.

They are a joke.

 

[JoeB131]

That wasn't the question. The whole point was the difference between "critisism" and the sort of blind raging hatred people like you have for others. There's a world of difference between them.

I do believe though you're far more the source of hatred than the receiver of it. I don't know why anyone would find it worth hating you ... even though you do freely hate others. Still not worth the effort to hate you back

Yes, you've been stalking me for years because you find it not worth it.

No, really, you aren't obsessed.

the problem is, with the cops, if they are hated, it's generally for pretty good reasons.

They routinely abuse the rights of minorities and they have little accountability. That's why people are rightfully angry with them.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

It wasn't just one state... Hillary got 65 million votes across the country... 3 million more than Trump did.

And that overage was from Commiefornia.

 

[d0gbreath]

We need to vote the same type of people Progs do. With the same attitudes. Loud and obnoxious and never ending. And if the media and entertainers start, call them out and mess with them like they mess with Non Progs. Get the dirt on them. The Republican Party has been to civil with the Progressive Socialist Party and it has cost them.

Your "Loud and obnoxious and never ending" guy is a private citizen now.

 

[kaz]

That wasn't the question. The whole point was the difference between "critisism" and the sort of blind raging hatred people like you have for others. There's a world of difference between them.

I do believe though you're far more the source of hatred than the receiver of it. I don't know why anyone would find it worth hating you ... even though you do freely hate others. Still not worth the effort to hate you back

Yes, you've been stalking me for years because you find it not worth it.

No, really, you aren't obsessed.

the problem is, with the cops, if they are hated, it's generally for pretty good reasons.

They routinely abuse the rights of minorities and they have little accountability. That's why people are rightfully angry with them.

JoeB: Well, kaz, we post on the same message board and you respond to my posts, that's STALKING!

You just responded to my post, according to you you're stalking me now.

What a retard, LOL.

Just like you're anger and hatred at Rush is because you're against anger and hate.

You're not smart, Gomer

 

[Batcat]

The reason we have the “undemocratic” Electoral College is we don’t live in a true democracy.

Because the Rich Slave Rapists who founded this country didn't want the poor people voting away their slaves?

There's really no excuse for the Electoral College. It disenfranchises most people in the country, which is why only 60% of us even bother to vote.

You wouldn’t have a nation without the Electoral College.

The highly populated states would rule and address their particular problems while ignoring the plight of the less populated states. Of course that would cause the less populated states to split from the Union and go their own way.

You fail to understand that many people who lived in the northern states opposed slavery right from the beginning. The choice was either to compromise and have one nation or disagree and have two weak nations.

How to Understand Slavery and the American Founding

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[JoeB131]

JoeB: Well, kaz, we post on the same message board and you respond to my posts, that's STALKING!

You just responded to my post, according to you you're stalking me now.

Well, that and your weird obsession with my personal and professional life... but you do go on about how you don't care about me. I'm sure you'll respond to this post obsessing about how you don't care about me.

You wouldn’t have a nation without the Electoral College.

The highly populated states would rule and address their particular problems while ignoring the plight of the less populated states. Of course that would cause the less populated states to split from the Union and go their own way.

Um, no, they wouldn't. Here's the thing. the "less populated states" are really kind of dependent on the big states to support them. Most of the tax revenues come from the big states, because that's where the economic activity is happening. So, yeah, Wyoming can whine about how it isn't being fairly treated, but they are happy to collect all those highway funds.

The thing about the EC was that it wasn't some brilliant plan, it was a compromise between the Democratic Republicans and the Federalists. One side wanted direct election of the President, the other wanted Congress to select the president. So they came up with a system that involved a vote, that would usually end up throwing the election into Congress. When that didn't work out so well, they put in the 12th Amendment which is more or less the system we have now, and it still doesn't work.

The thing is, if we had direct elections of Presidents, most elections would have turned out exactly the same way.

Final point. The EC doesn't benefit the small state or the large states. It benefits the swing states, which are usually neither small nor large. The people made their wishes very clear in 2016 and 2020. They didn't think Trump was fit for office. But instead, we had to wait to get this whole mess to hinge on some 80K or 45K votes in three swing states. That's just nuts.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Well, that and your weird obsession with my personal and professional life...

Oh the irony.

 

[konradv]

Let's talk about a forecast for the GOP...

 

[kaz]

JoeB: Well, kaz, we post on the same message board and you respond to my posts, that's STALKING!

You just responded to my post, according to you you're stalking me now.

Well, that and your weird obsession with my personal and professional life... but you do go on about how you don't care about me. I'm sure you'll respond to this post obsessing about how you don't care about me.

You wouldn’t have a nation without the Electoral College.

The highly populated states would rule and address their particular problems while ignoring the plight of the less populated states. Of course that would cause the less populated states to split from the Union and go their own way.

Um, no, they wouldn't. Here's the thing. the "less populated states" are really kind of dependent on the big states to support them. Most of the tax revenues come from the big states, because that's where the economic activity is happening. So, yeah, Wyoming can whine about how it isn't being fairly treated, but they are happy to collect all those highway funds.

The thing about the EC was that it wasn't some brilliant plan, it was a compromise between the Democratic Republicans and the Federalists. One side wanted direct election of the President, the other wanted Congress to select the president. So they came up with a system that involved a vote, that would usually end up throwing the election into Congress. When that didn't work out so well, they put in the 12th Amendment which is more or less the system we have now, and it still doesn't work.

The thing is, if we had direct elections of Presidents, most elections would have turned out exactly the same way.

Final point. The EC doesn't benefit the small state or the large states. It benefits the swing states, which are usually neither small nor large. The people made their wishes very clear in 2016 and 2020. They didn't think Trump was fit for office. But instead, we had to wait to get this whole mess to hinge on some 80K or 45K votes in three swing states. That's just nuts.

LOL, Joe's years of substance abuse make him marvel at someone with a ... long term memory. LOL.

JoeB: You REMEMBER the shit I said, kaz? OMG, I'm in trouble. I'm going to gay you to death by attacking you for remembering things.

LOL. I just remember, Joe. I didn't mean for that to amaze and awe you

 

[busybee01]

It would be a wonderful thing to see an uprising third party in the United States with Donald Trump or whoever.

These are not conservatives. They are radicalized right wing hate groups who were radicalized by Trump.

 

[busybee01]

It would be a wonderful thing to see an uprising third party in the United States with Donald Trump or whoever.

There's one problem. do you want to see long term Democrat entrenchment? Because that's what you're going to get if you split the GOP. I think retaking the GOP should be the priority.

The radical right has taken over the GOP. Anyone who is not 100% with Trump gets kicked out. Trump and his supporters are already making large parts of the country unwinnable for Republicans. It may not make any difference.

 

[the other mike]

The radical right has taken over the GOP. Anyone who is not 100% with Trump gets kicked out. Trump and his supporters are already making large parts of the country unwinnable for Republicans. It may not make any difference.

Yeah. Because everyone knows all Trump supporters look like this.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The radical right has taken over the GOP. Anyone who is not 100% with Trump gets kicked out. Trump and his supporters are already making large parts of the country unwinnable for Republicans. It may not make any difference.

That's what you wish was happening, but isn't. President Trump got 12 million more voters than the first time he ran. Apparently there's a growing number of people that approve of his leadership. We seen all the damage that Joe and the Democrats have done in just one month. Gasoline here was $2.10 a gallon on election day when Biden won, I passed by the same station today and it's nearly $2.70. After two years of this nonsense, Republicans will take the House by a huge margin and get back leadership of the Senate. Watch and see.