theliq, Challenger, et al,
Yeah, I'm not beyond making a mistake.
Balfour A Jew
Rothchilds A Jew
You will note Rocco the word PALESTINE is clearly delineated...........They by the way were both ZIONISTAS and so were ALL the British High Level Administrators in Palestine from 1922 to 1948.
So much for the paragraph "It BEING CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD THAT NOTHING SHALL BE DONE WHICH MAY PREJUDICE THE CIVIL AND RELIGIOUS RIGHTS OF THE EXISTING NON-JEWISH/ZIONIST >>>>>COMMUNITIES IN PALESTINE.
What a Shameful Crock of SHIT that Proved to be.........All that happened was the attempt to EXTERMINATE THE PALESTINIANS,TO THIEVE THEIR LAND
At times Rocco,you totally disappoint me ......The Balfour signature could just as well have been signed Adolf Hitler...disappointed indeed...steven
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Yes, it said "Palestine." It said nothing of that other (expropriate this or that). And, the term "Palestine" is undefined in 1917. It will not be defined until the first Palestine Order in Council is released.
So, you distrust high ranking Jews?
All kinds of law can protect rights. But if you deliberately move forward on a platform of unlawful deeds, then expect a reaction. And the Arab Palestinians have an established pattern of criminal behaviors.
I understand that I have no chance of getting you to objectively address the issues. Be that as it may, I (every now and then) like to set the record straight.
The Mandate and Civil Administration are NOT do not represent "expropriation." Immigration of Jewish People to the territory began well before the Sultan ordered Grand Admiral Reis of the Turkish Navy to evacuation of Jews from Spain that were under Papal supported exile and threat under the Catholic inquisition.
I just love it when Rambling RoccoR blunders about in the historical record, "Grand Admiral Reis" - no such thing. "Reis" is the Turkish military rank equivalent to "Captain" on a ship ("Grand Admiral Captain"...not so much
). The person sent to help evacuate the approximately 150,000 Sephardic Jewish population from Spain was called Ahmed Kemaleddin, otherwise known as Kemal Reis, and these refugees were settled mainly in the Empire's European provinces in the major cities such as Istanbul, Sarajevo, Salonica, Adrianople and Nicopolis, or in Anatolia; in cities like Bursa, Aydın, Tokat and Amasya. Only a tiny minority settled in the Levant, most in Damascus and Cairo in Egypt, but some went to Safed, which was the most important Jewish town in Palestine at the time, and inevitably to Jerusalem. In the Ottoman empire, where Jewish people had no real restrictions in travel most Jewish people chose to live anywhere but Palestine. Kemal Reis wasn't made an Admiral until 1495, which would have made him "Kemal Reis Pasha", just sayin'
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When you say Admiral (name) Reis, you imply that the person is BOTH Admiral Fleet/Task Force and Captain of the Flagship. Most Allied Powers have an Admiral and a Captain of the Flag Ship.
Grand admiral is a historic
naval rank, the highest rank in the several European navies that used it. It is best known for its use in Germany as
Großadmiral. A comparable rank in other navies is that of
fleet admiral. In the US, we don't have Fleet Admirals, except in war-time.
Grand (or sometime Chief) Admiral is a term
(like Pasha, higher rank in the Ottoman Empire political and military system) to denote the command of a principle fleet or more than one fleet. Admiral Reis commanded the Ottoman Indian Ocean Fleet, based in
Suez and
Basra; and the Mediterranean Fleet.
Depending on your perspective, anyone rank can be expressed in a number of ways:
• Major General Charles George Gordon CB, also known as Chinese Gordon, Gordon Pasha, and Gordon of Khartoum, was a British Army officer and administrator.
Uluj Ali (
Turkish:
Uluç Ali Reis, later
Uluç Ali Paşa and finally
Kılıç Ali Paşa; born
Giovanni Dionigi Galeni;
1519 - 21 June 1587) was a
Muslim corsair of
Italian origin, who converted to
Islam and later became an
Ottoman admiral (
Reis) and Chief Admiral (
Kaptan-ı Derya) of the Ottoman Fleet in the 16th century.
Famous Turkish admirals like Kemal Reis (who twice defeated the
Venetian fleet at the
First Battle of Lepanto in
1499 and the
Second Battle of Lepanto in
1500);
Kemal Reis (c. 1451 – 1511) was a
Turkish privateer and
Ottoman admiral. He was also the paternal uncle of the famous Ottoman admiral and cartographer
Piri Reis who accompanied him in most of his important naval expeditions.
Piri Reis (full name
Hadji Muhiddin Piri Ibn Hadji Mehmed,
reis/
rais is
Arabic for
captain) (about 1465–1554 or 1555) was an
Ottoman-Turkish Kaptan-ı Derya,
geographer and
cartographer born between 1465 and 1470 in
Gallipoli on the
Aegean coast of
Turkey.
Last names of people often have a secondary meaning.
• Bruno Richard Hauptmann (November 26, 1899 – April 3, 1936) was a German-born carpenter who was convicted of the abduction and murder of the 20-month-old son of aviator Charles Lindbergh and his wife Anne Morrow Lindbergh. Hauptmann is a German word usually translated as captain when it is used as an officer's rank in the German, Austrian and Swiss armies.
• Alexander Grünwald, (born 1 May 1989) is an Austrian footballer who plays as a Midfielder. Grünwald (transliterated Gruenwald) is German for "green forest" and may refer to:
Ottoman Sultans and Their Jewish Subjects
SULTAN YILDIRIM BAYEZID (Born) 1360 - (Deceased) 1403 CE
In 1394 Sultan Yildirim Bayezid invited the French Jews who were molested by King Charles VI, to the Ottoman Empire. They were settled in Edirne and the Balkans. The French Kings had the habit of inviting the Jews to establish commerce and borrowing money from them. However often, when payment was due, they expelled them; only to reinvite them when they nedded further financing.
SULTAN MURAD II (Born) 1402 - (Deceased) 1451 CE
In 1421 he accepted to Adrianople and Salonica the German Jews who fled persecutions. In 1444 Sultan Murad abdicated in favour of his son Mehmed II, however, on account of war, upon the latters's request, he came back to power and resumed his reign in 1446. During the reign of Murad II, Ishak Pasa was appointed as chief doctor of the palace and a firman was issued in his family's favour exempting them from all taxes. The Jewish doctor Yakup also served in the palace.
FATIH SULTAN MEHMED (Born) 1429 - (Deceased) 1481 CE
MEHMED II, THE CONQUEROR (FATIH) Reigned from 1444 to 1446 until his father took over on account of war. He came again to throne in 1451. He conquered Constantinople in 1453. The oppressed Jews were relieved to see him occupy the city. He allowed Jews from today's Greek Islands and Crete to settle in Istanbul. Fatih's declaration is as follows: "Listen sons of the Hebrew who live in my country...May all of you who desire come to Constantinople and may the rest of your people find here a shelter". The Bavarian King Ludwig the III, under the influence of the Italian Monk Jean de Capistrano expelled the Jews out and forced them to settle on the banks of the Danube River, Capistrano helped John Hunyadi in 1456 when the Ottomans besieged Belgrade. In 1410 Jean Huss was excommunicated and burned on order of the pope Alexander the V. The pope Nicholas the V, summoned Jean de Capistrano to go to Slovakia and fight the followers of Jean Huss. Of course Capistrano did not forget the Jews and as a result, by order of the Sultan, a regiment called "The sons of Moses" was formed. Since Capistrano also prepared a crusade against the Ottomans, the same regiment participated in the war which ensued. The doctors Isak Pasa Galeon and Ribbi Sonsino were also appointed to that regiment. Before being killed, Ribbi Sonsino chopped away the head of Jean de Capistrano and the church declared the latter a saint. After the war Mehmed II (Fatih) invited the Ashkenazi Jews of Transylvania and Slovakia to the Ottoman Empire. The synagogues Ahrida, Karaferya, Yanbol and Cuhadji which were damaged due to a fire have been repaired on Fatih's order. According to a votive foundation document dated 1451-1481, the doctors Moses Hamon, Isak Pas a Galeon, Hekim Yakup, Ephraim Sandji and Hekim Abraham were appointed as palace doctors.
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SULTAN II BAYEZID (Born) 1447 - (Deceased) 1512 CE
During the years 1490 to 1497 Sultan Bayezid II accepted the exiled Jews from Italy, Spain and Portugal. In 1492 Kemal Reis and his fleet were sent to Cadiz to take the Jews in charge. During the reign of Bayezid II, the king and queen of Spain, Ferdinand and Isabella, signed an edict of expulsion for the Jews. The edict was issued under the pressure of the church on the 31st of March 1492 and the Jews had to leave the country until the 2nd of August 1492. The last lot of Jews gathered in the port of Cadiz faced a dilemma: Those who left port were attacked by the pirates, those who went on land were burned at the stake by the inquisition. About a thousand people waited in anguish. At the last minute arrived a small fleet manned by the Turkish admiral Kemal Reis who took the refugees under his protection. Thus organizing a convoy of Jewish immigrants towards the Ottoman empire. Of the approximately 600,000 Spanish Jews, half were baptized, 100,000 went to Portugal, some went to the Netherlands, Italy, North Africa and the New World. But, the biggest lot reached the Ottoman Empire, numbering about 150,000 people. When the Jews who went to Portugal were exiled too in 1497, a big majority of them found refuge in the Ottoman Empire. Whereas the migration of forcibly converted Jews to Ottoman lands lasted several decades. In 1501 he accepted the Jews who fled from France. At a later period, the Jews of Spanish and Portuguese origin who went to Brazil were tracked by the inquisition who persecuted and compelled them to emigrate to New Amsterdam, today's New York. The immigrants met in the Ottoman Empire about 50,000 Romaniot, Karaite and Ashkenazi Jews. The Jews which may have entered Anatolia following the collapse of the Khazars; those who may have followed Alp Arslan after his entry to Anatolia and the communities which existed in the south-east since ancient times are not part of the estimated figures.
AND YES, sometimes I just ramble on...
(BOTH OF YOU)
You like to engage in arguments that rebut my character, motive, or other attributes rather than address the content my presentation. You like to search for some trivial flaw rather than focus on the salient points. I get that, have at it. But the substantive content of the argument remains for tomorrow. You have not defeated it.
Most Respectfully,
R
