48 weeks later. a few market facts about Trump's presidency.

[Correll]

The judgement of the future is still unclear, no matter how you see it. If the big moneyed and in-the-know people don't know (are unsure) what the future is to bring, why would YOU know?

If a recession had started this quarter, that would have been losing.

Good economic numbers is certainly WINNING.


That you can't admit that, is you failing.

 

[Correll]

Trump has completely blown it and you don’t have the skill or the brains to realize it.

Corporate bankruptcies hit record levels this year due to the tariffs.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/us-corporate-bankruptcies-set-hit-15-year-high-amid-credit-jitters-sp-data-shows-2025-11-13/

Manufacturing declined in 2025. The trade deficit increased in 2025.

U.S. Trade Deficit Up, Manufacturing Jobs Down by 49,000, Other Manufacturing Growth Measures Mixed in First Nine Months of 2025 - U.S. Trade Deficit Up, Manufacturing Jobs Down by 49,000, Other Manufacturing Growth Measures Mixed in First Nine Month

Rethink Trade today published an infographic webpage compiling trade and manufacturing data that show in the first nine months of his second term, President Trump’s actions on trade have not accomplished his promises to quickly balance trade and revitalize U.S. manufacturing.

www.economicliberties.us

Nobody is doing business or opening plants in the USA. Many international companies are leaving.

Bank branches are closing:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/major-us-banks-cut-100s-193300626.html

Other nations have no interest in doing business with you because Trump keeps tearing up trade deals he signed the first time he was in office.

We are the largest market in the world. EVERYONE wants access. That gives us leverage. Only a simp would not want to use that to get better deals.

 

[berg80]

If a recession had started this quarter, that would have been losing.

Good economic numbers is certainly WINNING.


That you can't admit that, is you failing.

U.S. Unemployment Rate Rises, a Warning Sign for the Economy​

Employers added 64,000 jobs in November, according to data delayed by the government shutdown. The unemployment rate ticked up to 4.6 percent, the highest level in four years.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/12/16/business/jobs-report-economy

Given that Dotard's BLS numbers can't be trusted we don't know how high the rate really is.

 

[Dragonlady]

The economy is ok and slowly improving

But dems and the news media are working overtime to convince the voters otherwise

Your economy is in the toilet and the waters are swirling.

Trade deficit up, bankruptcies up, population down.

 

[sparky]

I gave all the facts in the OP.

you 'gave' wall street statistics .......the place where everyone hedges their bets on globalist cheerleading in hopes of a better personal economy.........~S~

 

[sartre play]

IF we EVER admit that greed,& the power of money now MORE than ever before is enshrined in our political system.
(Not that those with the big bucks haven't always had a leg up over the rest of us.)
Many have abandoned other AMERICANS, in an effort to support a CLOSED moral system,
Capable of justifying Coercion as Protection,
Exclusion as fairness, and DOMINATION used as if it was RESTORATION.

 

[Dragonlady]

We are the largest market in the world. EVERYONE wants access. That gives us leverage. Only a simp would not want to use that to get better deals.

Depends on what the terms and conditions to that access involve and whether the USA can be trusted to honour the trade deals they negotiate.

Only a moron would trust Donald Trump who is tearing up all the trade deals he signed in his first terms calling them “stupid” and “bad”. Trump is famous for reneging on contracts he signed. That’s why he’s gone bankrupt 7 times.

That’s why nobody rushed to sign new trade deals with him.

 

[Dekster]

Higher student loan payments, higher insurance premiums, and tariffs will suck velocity out of the economy as that money won't circulate the way it otherwise would if people were instead buying cars, clothes, etc with it. Tariffs are the only thing that land squarely on Trump's shoulders. Everything else has lots of other fingers in the pudding. In some sense, all that is going to happen is a recession that already should have happened but for Biden's largesse. It won't be the end of the world, but it is going to suck for a lot of people for awhile. It is the 1980's all over again.

 

[Dragonlady]

On my way out I noticed gas was under 4.00 a gallon all over Los Angeles.

That's a big deal. Helps keep Uber prices down.

Uber. Didn’t your mother tell you not to take ride with strangers???

The money goes to Uber, not the drivers. Scammers, predators, and rapists are driving Ubers to prey upon the users.

I use TAXI’s. Licensed drivers who have to pass tests and background checks before they’re allowed to drive for pay.

 

[Mac-7]

I gave all the facts in the OP. It is not as clearly defined as you see it. What is to come is still a mystery.

You are tasting the stew before its had time to cook

 

[Mac-7]

If that were the case Dotard would not be calling for a big cut in interest rates.

Lower interest rates would boost the economy sooner

And the libs in washington know it

 

[Dragonlady]

What "rights" has he taken away?

The list is long and starts with abortion rights, voting rights, the right to health care

 

[Dragonlady]

Lower interest rates would boost the economy sooner

And the libs in washington know it

And they’d boost inflation like you’ve never seen.

 

[jknowgood]

Trump has been an amazing President, if you are already wealthy. Trump has been an amazing President if you are a corporation, with tax breaks a plenty, and no more worries about regulations. If you have investments in the stock market, he has been a great President for you, financially.

But then you realize he has trashed historical trade agreements with his completely reckless and self-defeating tariffs, which will cause more long term harm than what existed before Trump. It is changing world opinion against the U.S., a short term gain, maybe, but a long term loss.

Ask the American farmer how its working out. After this latest round of belligerance, more and more of the world will attempt to find other alternatives to using the dollar as the worlds reserve currency, and when that happens, you better brace for impact, because the party is over.

I'm already doing better under Trump, the way I did under his first term.

 

[jknowgood]

And they’d boost inflation like you’ve never seen.

Oh shut up, you loons said inflation would go through the roof over tariffs and you were completely wrong.

 

[Luckyone]

You are tasting the stew before its had time to cook

what a crazy analogy but responding to it in the same way, if you do not taste the stew (while it is cooking), how do you know if you put in the right condiments into it? Perhaps you left out the key condiment and waiting until it is cooked would mean you have to throw the stew out and make a new batch.

 

[Luckyone]

you 'gave' wall street statistics .......the place where everyone hedges their bets on globalist cheerleading in hopes of a better personal economy.........~S~

Wall Street statistics????

You mean that seeing Gold up almost double (meaning that people all over the world are betting that inflation is heading higher), and you see the Dollar drop in value (meaning the currency is losing its support), is all Wall Street and means nothing?

 

[Correll]

U.S. Unemployment Rate Rises, a Warning Sign for the Economy​

Employers added 64,000 jobs in November, according to data delayed by the government shutdown. The unemployment rate ticked up to 4.6 percent, the highest level in four years.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/12/16/business/jobs-report-economy

Given that Dotard's BLS numbers can't be trusted we don't know how high the rate really is.

Try talking less like a baby. Then you might be taken more seriously.

 

[Mac-7]

what a crazy analogy but responding to it in the same way, if you do not taste the stew (while it is cooking), how do you know if you put in the right condiments into it? Perhaps you left out the key condiment and waiting until it is cooked would mean you have to throw the stew out and make a new batch.

We have different priorities

I want a better economy

Whereas you want trump to fail

 

[Correll]

Depends on what the terms and conditions to that access involve and whether the USA can be trusted to honour the trade deals they negotiate.

Only a moron would trust Donald Trump who is tearing up all the trade deals he signed in his first terms calling them “stupid” and “bad”. Trump is famous for reneging on contracts he signed. That’s why he’s gone bankrupt 7 times.

That’s why nobody rushed to sign new trade deals with him.

You are talking shit. Trump has been doing business for generations. He now has one of the strongest negotiation positions on the planet.

We are the largest market in teh world. People are going to have to give us what we want, or face complete ruin.