48 weeks later. a few market facts about Trump's presidency.

[Crepitus]

The bulls have won the show as the economic reports have shown continued and positive economic growth. For the past 48 months (Trump’s presidency), the DOW has rallied 8.8%, the SPX has rallied 12%, the NASDAQ has rallied 15.1% and the RUT has rallied 9%. (DOW was at 44424 on Jan 20th and closed on Friday at 48732, SPX was at 6101 and now at 6929, NASDAQ was at 21774 and now at 25644 and the RUT was at 2307 and now at 2534).

On the negative side, Gold has rallied 39% (from $2792 to $4563) and the Dollar has dropped 8.8% in value (from $107 to $98), meaning that inflation remains a huge threat and the Dollar has lost its strength. In fact and comparing the Dollar with the other 2 major currencies in the world (Japanese YEN and the European EURO), the YEN has only dropped .005% in value and the EURO has outperformed all currencies, having rallied 12% (from 1.05 to 1.18) during this same period of time. Heck, even China (who is in a major trade war with the US, due to the huge tariffs imposed by Trump) has outperformed the Dollar as it has only dropped 4.4% (from 7.244 to 7.000) since January.

What this all means is that Trump's has brought about a growing economy (at least for the past year) but has made the U.S. fall versus the rest of the world (as far as in confidence in the future outlook versus other countries). It also means that other countries (like Europe) are doing better than we are, in spite of the tariffs imposed by Trump. Wasn't Trump's intention (with the tariffs imposed) to raise our country over all others (economically and otherwise)?

These figures do show that in many ways, Trump has failed. This is not opinion but cold hard facts. These above are actual prices for everything mentioned here. They are from the 3rd week of January (when Trump took office) to the closes on this Friday.

I am certainly interested in seeing how the Trump supporters will explain/excuse this.

The economic numbers have more to do with:
A. the falling imports thanks to tariffs
B. the folks who are responsible for them wanting to keep their jobs
C. the lack of data from both the shutdown and the personnel cuts.

Those are not signs of a healthy economy.

Short term gains hiding long term pains.

 

[Crepitus]

You are talking shit. Trump has been doing business for generations. He now has one of the strongest negotiation positions on the planet.

We are the largest market in teh world. People are going to have to give us what we want, or face complete ruin.

Are you kidding? He's known to default on payments, sue at the drop of a hat, and generally lie his ass off to get what he wants.

He does not have a strong negotiating position.

 

[Correll]

The list is long and starts with abortion rights, voting rights, the right to health care

Abortion was never a right. Suck it up buttercup.

 

[Correll]

Are you kidding? He's known to default on payments, sue at the drop of a hat, and generally lie his ass off to get what he wants.

He does not have a strong negotiating position.

Your shit talk is irrelevant.

He can give or take away access to the largest market in teh world. A market many of these assholes have built their economies around.

THey need to realize that we are not being run by a ******* simp anymore and they need to give us what we want.

Or they will face consequences.

 

[sparky]

Wall Street statistics????

why do you think the 'Occupy Wall street' protest existed Lucky?

~S~

 

[Crepitus]

Your shit talk is irrelevant.

He can give or take away access to the largest market in teh world. A market many of these assholes have built their economies around.

THey need to realize that we are not being run by a ******* simp anymore and they need to give us what we want.

Or they will face consequences.

What "shit talk"?

These are facts, Son.

You know, objective reality?

Pull yer head outta tRump's ass for a minute and look at the real world.

Many places are already working around the US. Why do you think farmers are suffering?

It will just continue unless someone wises up, which is highly unlikely.

We are being progressively isolated from the rest of the business community.

 

[SaxonJackson]

At nearly $40 Trillion in national debt, I'm not too sure how long we go before everything caves in on itself. It's all a shell game surrounded by smoke and mirrors. The official "numbers" are routinely manipulated to sound a lot better than they are. All I know is that the price of a new pickup truck or house is completely beyond most folks' budget and beef is almost there.

Look at the national debt clock and how quickly it increases by the second:

https://www.usdebtclock.org/

 

[Manonthestreet]

My silver stash has quadrupled since '21.

Guy at work got me into buying silver at $9 an oz bout 16 yrs ago........

 

[Independent thinker]

The judgement of the future is still unclear, no matter how you see it. If the big moneyed and in-the-know people don't know (are unsure) what the future is to bring, why would YOU know?

If the future is so unclear then why do you think you know it?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Everything needs some controls. This is why our forefathers built a system where there are 3 branches of government and the Supreme Court.

I have no interest in fascism or communism. I am a centrist and believe that both sides should get something and give something.

What Trump is doing is being an Autocrat. The idea of controlling government is a good one as it is there to serve the people and not feed itself. By the same token, uncontrolled Capitalism is just as bad. Trump is using a hacksaw to get things done to what HE believes should be and not what Americans feel it should be. This is why so many Republicans are turning on him. His approval rating among Republicans has dropped since he became president.


He did not into consideration that other nations would place tariffs? Heck, he CLEARLY stated that tariffs created a war where retaliation would happen (slap back with tariffs imposed on us). I think you need to hear that video again and pay attention. By the way, 97% of all economists fully agree with him.


Again, Reagan STATED that tariffs work "at first" but then bring bigger problems in the longer run.


No, those issues are caused because taxes are very low for the rich as the government does not have enough money or employees to do the job. In addition, the trickle down effect that the Republicans favor, does not work.

Here are two charts that show when high taxes for the rich worked well and how trickle down economics do not work.

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we are a nation and not 340 million individual islands. Freedom from persecution and from lawlessness is what freedom means. It does not mean "think of yourself and not of your community, state, nation".

Piketty is a hack.

Back to your mop!

 

[Oddball]

Guy at work got me into buying silver at $9 an oz bout 16 yrs ago........

Traded in a circulated $20 St Gaudens for a huge silver buy when the price dropped to $11, several years ago.

 

[sparky]

Nobody is doing business or opening plants in the USA. Many international companies are leaving.

AI Overview



Under the Trump administration, the White House reported significant figures for new business investment and trade wins, citing
trillions in pledged investments (like $9.6 trillion in manufacturing/tech/AI) and billions in new foreign contracts, particularly driven by manufacturing reshoring and energy deals, though independent analyses show some investment figures, like claimed $10 trillion, were aspirational and spanned years, with mixed impacts from policies like tariffs.

~S~

 

[Nostra]

The bulls have won the show as the economic reports have shown continued and positive economic growth. For the past 48 months (Trump’s presidency), the DOW has rallied 8.8%, the SPX has rallied 12%, the NASDAQ has rallied 15.1% and the RUT has rallied 9%. (DOW was at 44424 on Jan 20th and closed on Friday at 48732, SPX was at 6101 and now at 6929, NASDAQ was at 21774 and now at 25644 and the RUT was at 2307 and now at 2534).

On the negative side, Gold has rallied 39% (from $2792 to $4563) and the Dollar has dropped 8.8% in value (from $107 to $98), meaning that inflation remains a huge threat and the Dollar has lost its strength. In fact and comparing the Dollar with the other 2 major currencies in the world (Japanese YEN and the European EURO), the YEN has only dropped .005% in value and the EURO has outperformed all currencies, having rallied 12% (from 1.05 to 1.18) during this same period of time. Heck, even China (who is in a major trade war with the US, due to the huge tariffs imposed by Trump) has outperformed the Dollar as it has only dropped 4.4% (from 7.244 to 7.000) since January.

What this all means is that Trump's has brought about a growing economy (at least for the past year) but has made the U.S. fall versus the rest of the world (as far as in confidence in the future outlook versus other countries). It also means that other countries (like Europe) are doing better than we are, in spite of the tariffs imposed by Trump. Wasn't Trump's intention (with the tariffs imposed) to raise our country over all others (economically and otherwise)?

These figures do show that in many ways, Trump has failed. This is not opinion but cold hard facts. These above are actual prices for everything mentioned here. They are from the 3rd week of January (when Trump took office) to the closes on this Friday.

I am certainly interested in seeing how the Trump supporters will explain/excuse this.

Record highs for all indexes.

Nice job, President Trump.

Cool thread.

 

[sparky]

Your economy is in the toilet and the waters are swirling.

one more reason to cease subsidizing yours DL....

Trump is famous for reneging on contracts he signed. That’s why he’s gone bankrupt 7 times.

and still managed to become a billionaire (with a B)

~S~

 

[Nostra]

Because they're economically ignorant. These are not people with any economic education or understanding whatsoever. For 40 years Republicans have told them they're better off financially with a Republican crashing the economy than with Democrats in office, and they've bought it hook line and sinker.

KKKanadian vermin shit lies.

 

[Nostra]

On my way out I noticed gas was under 4.00 a gallon all over Los Angeles.

That's a big deal. Helps keep Uber prices down.

Just paid $1.99

 

[Nostra]

Trump has completely blown it and you don’t have the skill or the brains to realize it.

Corporate bankruptcies hit record levels this year due to the tariffs.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/us-corporate-bankruptcies-set-hit-15-year-high-amid-credit-jitters-sp-data-shows-2025-11-13/

Manufacturing declined in 2025. The trade deficit increased in 2025.

U.S. Trade Deficit Up, Manufacturing Jobs Down by 49,000, Other Manufacturing Growth Measures Mixed in First Nine Months of 2025 - U.S. Trade Deficit Up, Manufacturing Jobs Down by 49,000, Other Manufacturing Growth Measures Mixed in First Nine Month

Rethink Trade today published an infographic webpage compiling trade and manufacturing data that show in the first nine months of his second term, President Trump’s actions on trade have not accomplished his promises to quickly balance trade and revitalize U.S. manufacturing.

www.economicliberties.us

Nobody is doing business or opening plants in the USA. Many international companies are leaving.

Bank branches are closing:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/major-us-banks-cut-100s-193300626.html

Other nations have no interest in doing business with you because Trump keeps tearing up trade deals he signed the first time he was in office.

Fake news.

 

[Nostra]

U.S. Unemployment Rate Rises, a Warning Sign for the Economy​

Employers added 64,000 jobs in November, according to data delayed by the government shutdown. The unemployment rate ticked up to 4.6 percent, the highest level in four years.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/12/16/business/jobs-report-economy

Given that Dotard's BLS numbers can't be trusted we don't know how high the rate really is.

SKYROCKETED 1/10 of 1%

 

[Nostra]

Your economy is in the toilet and the waters are swirling.

Trade deficit up, bankruptcies up, population down.

Lies from the KKKanadian halfwit.

 

[Nostra]

Depends on what the terms and conditions to that access involve and whether the USA can be trusted to honour the trade deals they negotiate.

Only a moron would trust Donald Trump who is tearing up all the trade deals he signed in his first terms calling them “stupid” and “bad”. Trump is famous for reneging on contracts he signed. That’s why he’s gone bankrupt 7 times.

That’s why nobody rushed to sign new trade deals with him.

Prove it. Liar.