48 weeks later. a few market facts about Trump's presidency.

[Dragonlady]

Making America Great Again, requires it to be considered a being successful in the economy, in health care, in helping its citizens overcome problems and in generating new growth and opportunity, none of which is happening.

As far as Trump understanding what people are saying, let me say that people in general think only of themselves and as such, do not use their minds for the benefit of the nation. In addition, "yes" he understands that and USES it for his OWN benefit (manipulates them). How does that help you?


Here is an established Republican hero who was also president, telling you that tariffs are bad........in the long run. You didn't listen to him?




Yes and no. Yes, many Americans are dependent on government subsidies but "no" because the reason for that is that the Rich have been ALLOWED to run without limitations and they have taken full advantage of that, to the point that the 15% of the population cannot even pay their bills even if they have 2 or 3 jobs a day.

AI Overview


The question asks for a specific, combined percentage which is not available as a single statistic in the provided search results. However, data indicates that
many who work multiple jobs still face significant financial insecurity.

• Multiple Job Holders: Approximately 5.7% of employed Americans work multiple jobs.
• Struggling Financially: Of those with multiple jobs, more than half (53% to 69%) do so out of necessity to cover basic expenses or need additional income. One report indicates that 65% of multi-job holders are still living paycheck to paycheck.

Overall, millions of Americans work multiple jobs, and a substantial majority of these individuals continue to struggle to make ends meet.


You are 100% right here. Here is an AI response to what is happening with the SPX leading the market right now: “One of the biggest contrasts this year has been the widening gap between Main Street and Wall Street. Wage growth has cooled (the Atlanta Federal Reserve’s tracker is around 4% lately), sentiment has slid (the Michigan Consumer Sentiment Index is at 53.6 in October, down from 70.5 a year ago), while S&P 500 earnings and margins have marched higher (blended net margin is about 12.9% in Q3, above the five-year average). Hence the cliché: Markets are not the economy”.

In addition, market growth has been mainly because of AI and those companies in the industry (AAPL, AMZN, GOOGL, NVDA, MSFT) and do not reflect what the overall economy is doing.


Free? Under Trump's oligarchy where it is always "his way or the highway"?

Why are all Trump supporters so blind?

Because they're economically ignorant. These are not people with any economic education or understanding whatsoever. For 40 years Republicans have told them they're better off financially with a Republican crashing the economy than with Democrats in office, and they've bought it hook line and sinker.

 

[JohnDB]

 

[RedrickTheCoat]

The tariffs simply level the playing field. You see, for almost the entire last generation of people, the "they" have been trying to equalize wealth and economies over the entire world. The idea was that if they could weaken Americans' great apparent wealth and high standard of living and re-distribute it to other nations, then they would be able to reduce the likelihood of war and strife.

Tariffs are leveling the playing field? For people that hate taxation, you sure love tariffs. So if other countries tax their citizens higher that the US does, does that mean that the US should tax their citizens higher?

Do you not think that the US has some benefits from being the world leader? Do you not think there might be some long term negatives by showing trading partners that you are unreliable and are abusing the position that you were given?

 

[scruffy]

On my way out I noticed gas was under 4.00 a gallon all over Los Angeles.

That's a big deal. Helps keep Uber prices down.

 

[Dr Grump]

The bulls have won the show as the economic reports have shown continued and positive economic growth. For the past 48 months (Trump’s presidency),

Didn't know the Orange Buffoon had been president for the past 48 months. Who knew...

 

[Dr Grump]

We people are happy to subsist on very little. But we will not tolerate subjugation to another.

We will be free.

Free? Under Trump??? RATFLMAO...the guy is more or less an Emperor at the moment. Biggest irony of all - the right at all about individual rights yet have elected a megalomaniacal tyrant as ther CiC and they are okay with it. You couldn't make this shit up.

 

[Samofvt]

Making America Great Again, requires it to be considered a being successful in the economy, in health care, in helping its citizens overcome problems and in generating new growth and opportunity, none of which is happening.

Not in my view. What you are describing is closer to totalitarianism (fascism and communism are just different names for totalitarian style rule). In a free civilization, it is not the governments job to control all aspects of daily life.

The proper role of government in a free and prosperous civilization is to be the tool of the people to uphold the rule of law. Yes, large companies need to be kept in check from violating human rights and becoming a threat to the citizens. What you seem to be asking for is continue putting the means of production and property under the direct control of the government. When that happens there is no way to control it: the government becomes that same giant corporation, only now there is nothing to keep it in check. The government will hardly ever go after itself.

One of the reasons the MAGA movement (and Trump) has such overwhelming support is because he is going after the government and it's sprawling bureaucracy that is so out of touch and out of control. At least attempting to put it in check. We also need an Article 5 Convention of States in order to make basic things like a balanced budget constitutionally mandatory.

As far as Trump understanding what people are saying, let me say that people in general think only of themselves and as such, do not use their minds for the benefit of the nation. In addition, "yes" he understands that and USES it for his OWN benefit (manipulates them). How does that help you?


Here is an established Republican hero who was also president, telling you that tariffs are bad........in the long run. You didn't listen to him?

In a perfect world, Reagan's idea would be fine. However, he did not take into consideration that other nations would place higher and higher tariffs on our products. He also did not consider the effect of truly totalitarian nations subsidizing their products and putting them on our markets. His idea was long before the Chinese markets fully opened up.

The recent economic data suggests that the tariffs are working, despite all the fear mongering. And besides, I have heard zero plausible ideas from anyone else on how to bring jobs back here to the USA. Harris literally campaigned on the idea of implementing total fascism and putting more large companies directly under the control of the government.

Yes and no. Yes, many Americans are dependent on government subsidies but "no" because the reason for that is that the Rich have been ALLOWED to run without limitations and they have taken full advantage of that, to the point that the 15% of the population cannot even pay their bills even if they have 2 or 3 jobs a day.

AI Overview


The question asks for a specific, combined percentage which is not available as a single statistic in the provided search results. However, data indicates that
many who work multiple jobs still face significant financial insecurity.

• Multiple Job Holders: Approximately 5.7% of employed Americans work multiple jobs.
• Struggling Financially: Of those with multiple jobs, more than half (53% to 69%) do so out of necessity to cover basic expenses or need additional income. One report indicates that 65% of multi-job holders are still living paycheck to paycheck.

Overall, millions of Americans work multiple jobs, and a substantial majority of these individuals continue to struggle to make ends meet.

In my state, at least 12% of the population gets food assistance, as revealed during the recent government shutdown when reporters dug into the data about how many SNAP recipients were affected by the shutdown. Our private sector charitable food shelves, which provide food to people not on government assistance, are stretched beyond their limits at record levels. Our population has not changed significantly in the last 10 or 15 years.

We also have a housing affordability problem, with many many thousands being housed through state programs. I've heard it is the same all across the country.

These issues are a direct result of government control and growing socialist programs. We did not have the problems 30 years ago before the state and federal socialist programs started to grow.

You are 100% right here. Here is an AI response to what is happening with the SPX leading the market right now: “One of the biggest contrasts this year has been the widening gap between Main Street and Wall Street. Wage growth has cooled (the Atlanta Federal Reserve’s tracker is around 4% lately), sentiment has slid (the Michigan Consumer Sentiment Index is at 53.6 in October, down from 70.5 a year ago), while S&P 500 earnings and margins have marched higher (blended net margin is about 12.9% in Q3, above the five-year average). Hence the cliché: Markets are not the economy”.

In addition, market growth has been mainly because of AI and those companies in the industry (AAPL, AMZN, GOOGL, NVDA, MSFT) and do not reflect what the overall economy is doing.


Free? Under Trump's oligarchy where it is always "his way or the highway"?

Why are all Trump supporters so blind?

Dr Grump

Freedom is when an individual can chose their path and can have a reasonable chance at making ends meet if they put in minimum effort. Some will succeed, some will fail, but they should not have to worry about a government that will extort half their earnings to be redistributed. The pie-in-the-sky totalitarian utopia you talk about is not freedom.

The government produces NOTHING, but it will consume EVERYTHING unless we keep it in check.

 

[Luckyone]

Not in my view. What you are describing is closer to totalitarianism (fascism and communism are just different names for totalitarian style rule). In a free civilization, it is not the governments job to control all aspects of daily life.

The proper role of government in a free and prosperous civilization is to be the tool of the people to uphold the rule of law. Yes, large companies need to be kept in check from violating human rights and becoming a threat to the citizens. What you seem to be asking for is continue putting the means of production and property under the direct control of the government. When that happens there is no way to control it: the government becomes that same giant corporation, only now there is nothing to keep it in check. The government will hardly ever go after itself.

One of the reasons the MAGA movement (and Trump) has such overwhelming support is because he is going after the government and it's sprawling bureaucracy that is so out of touch and out of control. At least attempting to put it in check. We also need an Article 5 Convention of States in order to make basic things like a balanced budget constitutionally mandatory.

Everything needs some controls. This is why our forefathers built a system where there are 3 branches of government and the Supreme Court.

I have no interest in fascism or communism. I am a centrist and believe that both sides should get something and give something.

What Trump is doing is being an Autocrat. The idea of controlling government is a good one as it is there to serve the people and not feed itself. By the same token, uncontrolled Capitalism is just as bad. Trump is using a hacksaw to get things done to what HE believes should be and not what Americans feel it should be. This is why so many Republicans are turning on him. His approval rating among Republicans has dropped since he became president.

In a perfect world, Reagan's idea would be fine. However, he did not take into consideration that other nations would place higher and higher tariffs on our products. He also did not consider the effect of truly totalitarian nations subsidizing their products and putting them on our markets. His idea was long before the Chinese markets fully opened up.

He did not into consideration that other nations would place tariffs? Heck, he CLEARLY stated that tariffs created a war where retaliation would happen (slap back with tariffs imposed on us). I think you need to hear that video again and pay attention. By the way, 97% of all economists fully agree with him.

The recent economic data suggests that the tariffs are working, despite all the fear mongering. And besides, I have heard zero plausible ideas from anyone else on how to bring jobs back here to the USA. Harris literally campaigned on the idea of implementing total fascism and putting more large companies directly under the control of the government.

Again, Reagan STATED that tariffs work "at first" but then bring bigger problems in the longer run.

In my state, at least 12% of the population gets food assistance, as revealed during the recent government shutdown when reporters dug into the data about how many SNAP recipients were affected by the shutdown. Our private sector charitable food shelves, which provide food to people not on government assistance, are stretched beyond their limits at record levels. Our population has not changed significantly in the last 10 or 15 years.

We also have a housing affordability problem, with many many thousands being housed through state programs. I've heard it is the same all across the country.

These issues are a direct result of government control and growing socialist programs. We did not have the problems 30 years ago before the state and federal socialist programs started to grow.

No, those issues are caused because taxes are very low for the rich as the government does not have enough money or employees to do the job. In addition, the trickle down effect that the Republicans favor, does not work.

Here are two charts that show when high taxes for the rich worked well and how trickle down economics do not work.

Dr Grump

Freedom is when an individual can chose their path and can have a reasonable chance at making ends meet if they put in minimum effort. Some will succeed, some will fail, but they should not have to worry about a government that will extort half their earnings to be redistributed. The pie-in-the-sky totalitarian utopia you talk about is not freedom.

The government produces NOTHING, but it will consume EVERYTHING unless we keep it in check.

we are a nation and not 340 million individual islands. Freedom from persecution and from lawlessness is what freedom means. It does not mean "think of yourself and not of your community, state, nation".

 

[Independent thinker]

The bulls have won the show as the economic reports have shown continued and positive economic growth. For the past 48 months (Trump’s presidency), the DOW has rallied 8.8%, the SPX has rallied 12%, the NASDAQ has rallied 15.1% and the RUT has rallied 9%. (DOW was at 44424 on Jan 20th and closed on Friday at 48732, SPX was at 6101 and now at 6929, NASDAQ was at 21774 and now at 25644 and the RUT was at 2307 and now at 2534).

On the negative side, Gold has rallied 39% (from $2792 to $4563) and the Dollar has dropped 8.8% in value (from $107 to $98), meaning that inflation remains a huge threat and the Dollar has lost its strength. In fact and comparing the Dollar with the other 2 major currencies in the world (Japanese YEN and the European EURO), the YEN has only dropped .005% in value and the EURO has outperformed all currencies, having rallied 12% (from 1.05 to 1.18) during this same period of time. Heck, even China (who is in a major trade war with the US, due to the huge tariffs imposed by Trump) has outperformed the Dollar as it has only dropped 4.4% (from 7.244 to 7.000) since January.

What this all means is that Trump's has brought about a growing economy (at least for the past year) but has made the U.S. fall versus the rest of the world (as far as in confidence in the future outlook versus other countries). It also means that other countries (like Europe) are doing better than we are, in spite of the tariffs imposed by Trump. Wasn't Trump's intention (with the tariffs imposed) to raise our country over all others (economically and otherwise)?

These figures do show that in many ways, Trump has failed. This is not opinion but cold hard facts. These above are actual prices for everything mentioned here. They are from the 3rd week of January (when Trump took office) to the closes on this Friday.

I am certainly interested in seeing how the Trump supporters will explain/excuse this.

Trump is winning and you can't stand it.

 

[sparky]

the USofA lost the global fiat to the brics , the dollar has been dropping ever since. Trump walked into office to manage what was a nation on the verge of bankruptcy (if viewed as a biz) , which is why tariffs are working.....going from a consumer nation to a producer nation is the only avenue we have now ~S~

 

[Clipper]

Thank you Biden and his inflation.

The economy was gangbusters when Sleepy Don took over & like everything else he touches, he turned it into shit.

The average person on the street cares nothing about Trump's & MAGA's drivel blaming Biden for what the orange fuckup did to our economy.

Cry harder.

 

[berg80]

For the past 48 months (Trump’s presidency),

Weeks?

 

[Mac-7]

The bulls have won the show as the economic reports have shown continued and positive economic growth. For the past 48 months (Trump’s presidency), the DOW has rallied 8.8%, the SPX has rallied 12%, the NASDAQ has rallied 15.1% and the RUT has rallied 9%. (DOW was at 44424 on Jan 20th and closed on Friday at 48732, SPX was at 6101 and now at 6929, NASDAQ was at 21774 and now at 25644 and the RUT was at 2307 and now at 2534).

On the negative side, Gold has rallied 39% (from $2792 to $4563) and the Dollar has dropped 8.8% in value (from $107 to $98), meaning that inflation remains a huge threat and the Dollar has lost its strength. In fact and comparing the Dollar with the other 2 major currencies in the world (Japanese YEN and the European EURO), the YEN has only dropped .005% in value and the EURO has outperformed all currencies, having rallied 12% (from 1.05 to 1.18) during this same period of time. Heck, even China (who is in a major trade war with the US, due to the huge tariffs imposed by Trump) has outperformed the Dollar as it has only dropped 4.4% (from 7.244 to 7.000) since January.

What this all means is that Trump's has brought about a growing economy (at least for the past year) but has made the U.S. fall versus the rest of the world (as far as in confidence in the future outlook versus other countries). It also means that other countries (like Europe) are doing better than we are, in spite of the tariffs imposed by Trump. Wasn't Trump's intention (with the tariffs imposed) to raise our country over all others (economically and otherwise)?

These figures do show that in many ways, Trump has failed. This is not opinion but cold hard facts. These above are actual prices for everything mentioned here. They are from the 3rd week of January (when Trump took office) to the closes on this Friday.

I am certainly interested in seeing how the Trump supporters will explain/excuse this.

The economy is ok and slowly improving

But dems and the news media are working overtime to convince the voters otherwise

 

[Winco]

Bought most of mine at about $9

When?

 

[Luckyone]

The economy is ok and slowly improving

But dems and the news media are working overtime to convince the voters otherwise

I gave all the facts in the OP. It is not as clearly defined as you see it. What is to come is still a mystery.

 

[Luckyone]

Trump is winning and you can't stand it.

The judgement of the future is still unclear, no matter how you see it. If the big moneyed and in-the-know people don't know (are unsure) what the future is to bring, why would YOU know?

 

[berg80]

The economy is ok and slowly improving

If that were the case Dotard would not be calling for a big cut in interest rates.

 

[Correll]

Free? Under Trump??? RATFLMAO...the guy is more or less an Emperor at the moment. Biggest irony of all - the right at all about individual rights yet have elected a megalomaniacal tyrant as ther CiC and they are okay with it. You couldn't make this shit up.

What "rights" has he taken away?

 

[Correll]

I gave all the facts in the OP. It is not as clearly defined as you see it. What is to come is still a mystery.

Three days ago, you lefties were predicting a recession.

That didn't happen. Yet, instead of addressing your error, you are just moving on to next attack.

That shows you are not serious people.

 

[Dragonlady]

Trump is winning and you can't stand it.

Trump has completely blown it and you don’t have the skill or the brains to realize it.

Corporate bankruptcies hit record levels this year due to the tariffs.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/us-corporate-bankruptcies-set-hit-15-year-high-amid-credit-jitters-sp-data-shows-2025-11-13/

Manufacturing declined in 2025. The trade deficit increased in 2025.

U.S. Trade Deficit Up, Manufacturing Jobs Down by 49,000, Other Manufacturing Growth Measures Mixed in First Nine Months of 2025 - U.S. Trade Deficit Up, Manufacturing Jobs Down by 49,000, Other Manufacturing Growth Measures Mixed in First Nine Month

Rethink Trade today published an infographic webpage compiling trade and manufacturing data that show in the first nine months of his second term, President Trump’s actions on trade have not accomplished his promises to quickly balance trade and revitalize U.S. manufacturing.

www.economicliberties.us

Nobody is doing business or opening plants in the USA. Many international companies are leaving.

Bank branches are closing:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/major-us-banks-cut-100s-193300626.html

Other nations have no interest in doing business with you because Trump keeps tearing up trade deals he signed the first time he was in office.