40,000 want this pit bull to live? I don't get it?

[skye]

Why would you be so reluctant to answer a simple question? I cannot tell you how much your answer reminds of polticians spinning things.

No, I would not euthanize it ...but I would put it away, separated from other dogs and/or people.

Doggy prison.

well, kind of, with a large place to run and bones of his own.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

No, I would not euthanize it ...but I would put it away, separated from other dogs and/or people.

Doggy prison.

well, kind of, with a large place to run and bones of his own.

So reward the dog with a life of Reilly for mauling a 4 year old child.

 

[CaféAuLait]

I have taken quite a few animal behavior courses. Don't try to school me with your ignorance. Dogs will bite if someone tries to take their food or something else that the dog considers theirs. The only one that can do that is the accepted pack leader. The child should have been taught not to try to take the dog's bone. In fact how about teaching a child not to take something that doesn't belong to them at all.

I have encountered many people who think taking away their dog's food or toys as a way of playing with them. That is the fast track to making a peaceful dog generally vicious.

Instead of taking courses you should have actually worked with and trained dogs. I'm not trying to school you. Your ignorance of dogs is astounding. You can socialize your dog to exhibit any behavior you want to if its food is taken by anyone. You cant be that ignorant about this? The only thing you got halfway right was the pack concept. You do realize there are more positions in the pack than just leader right? There is a hierarchy and your dog should know and understand that it is at the bottom of it.

I have worked with dogs for years and put up with their stupid owners, like you. The kid had it coming. The dog did nothing wrong. Find the abused dog a decent owner. Problem solved.

The kid had it coming? Damn harsh. The owners of the dog and the baby sitter who witnessed the attack on the kid and the mauling death of another dog disagree.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Snakes aren't domesticated creatures. Bad comparison.

Bad comparison, ok. But the point I was trying to make was that this particular pit bull (not all pit bulls) had no more conscience or concern of what he was doing than a snake. So he is equally not to blame, but still just as much should not be allowed around people.

On another matter: I like your Texan statement. I have reluctantly come to admire Texas in many ways. So many contributions over the years to our nation. I like almost everything about Texas except the Dallas Cowboys. I hate them. Don't like the Longhorns either, but I always like their coaches. Love just about everything else, cannot believe how many golfers have come from Texas! Love Houston, love Texas Southern College, and Abilene is my favorite country western song.

If you're ever around Houston look me up. We'll go to The Redneck Country Club and have a few cold beers.

If it was my dog, it would be dead already. That's the way I would handle it because all my dogs were raised not to bite children. I can understand not blaming the dog and if the dog could be placed with someone that didn't have small children then it may not be a bad idea, assuming the dog successfully underwent the mandatory 10 days in confinement and is found not to be rabid.

 

[skye]

Doggy prison.

well, kind of, with a large place to run and bones of his own.

So reward the dog with a life of Reilly for mauling a 4 year old child.

look.... this is the last I will tell you.... you can not judge an animal under the same paradigms that you judge human beings.

In animals there is no right or wrong.

Animals do not have morals values. Animals are innocent creatures that act by nature.

 

[HUGGY]

40,000 want this pit bull to live? I don't get it?

It seems the 4 year old had a fair opportunity to keep the bone. People need to train their kids to fight harder. OR

Not tease Pitbulls. Kids do stupid things all of the time..they play on 4th floor widow sills. They light fires... They burn themselves on stoves and taking hot stuff off of stoves.. They poison themselves eating and drinking stuff they have been told to stay out of. They believe the television and think they can jump out of a tree and nothing will happen. It's not the fault of the dog if adults don't teach their children to not do dangerous things.

The world is a dangerous place. Should we eliminate cars because dumb ass little Jimmy or Molly chases a ball into traffic?

If parents can't supervise and keep their children safe then have Child Protective Services take the children to a home where they will be cared for responsibly.

NOW if a dog is running loose and see's your stupid kid chewing on a bone and jumps over YOUR fence and rips the kids face off attempting to steal YOUR kid's bone the dog is definitely a menace and needs to be put down.

 

[CaféAuLait]

Speaking for myself, if any of my dogs attack a child, it will be put down immediately, his head will be cut off and submitted for rabies testing.

This is the crazy thing, it's the OWNER who wants the dog put down, the owner who witnessed the attack on the child and says it was more than his protecting his bone, the owner who says the dog killed another dog. They want the dog put down because of behavior they have witnessed and the behavior when child was being babysat at their home.

Strangers ( that know nothing of the dog) have inserted themselves into this after hearing about the kid on the news. The owner allowed the child to go into the yard because he felt the child should be okay. It was not the parents, but the sitter who allowed the child into the back yard along with the dogs owner as well.

Then let one of the strangers have the dog, preferably a stranger with kids.

Crazy, eh? Here you take this dog into your home, he has mauled a 5 year old and also killed a dog, mauled a puppy to death a few months ago, but he is safe.

 

[CaféAuLait]

40,000 want this pit bull to live? I don't get it?

It seems the 4 year old had a fair opportunity to keep the bone. People need to train their kids to fight harder. OR

Not tease Pitbulls. Kids do stupid things all of the time..they play on 4th floor widow sills. They light fires... They burn themselves on stoves and taking hot stuff off of stoves.. They poison themselves eating and drinking stuff they have been told to stay out of. They believe the television and think they can jump out of a tree and nothing will happen. It's not the fault of the dog if adults don't teach their children to not do dangerous things.

The world is a dangerous place. Should we eliminate cars because dumb ass little Jimmy or Molly chases a ball into traffic?

If parents can't supervise and keep their children safe then have Child Protective Services take the children to a home where they will be cared for responsibly.

NOW if a dog is running loose and see's your stupid kid chewing on a bone and jumps over YOUR fence and rips the kids face off attempting to steal YOUR kid's bone the dog is definitely a menace and needs to be put down.

How are the parents involved in this? The sitter took the child to the dogs house and the owner of the dog felt it was safe for the boy to be playing in the back yard. The owner of the dog said the boy did nothing wrong.

 

[HUGGY]

40,000 want this pit bull to live? I don't get it?

It seems the 4 year old had a fair opportunity to keep the bone. People need to train their kids to fight harder. OR

Not tease Pitbulls. Kids do stupid things all of the time..they play on 4th floor widow sills. They light fires... They burn themselves on stoves and taking hot stuff off of stoves.. They poison themselves eating and drinking stuff they have been told to stay out of. They believe the television and think they can jump out of a tree and nothing will happen. It's not the fault of the dog if adults don't teach their children to not do dangerous things.

The world is a dangerous place. Should we eliminate cars because dumb ass little Jimmy or Molly chases a ball into traffic?

If parents can't supervise and keep their children safe then have Child Protective Services take the children to a home where they will be cared for responsibly.

NOW if a dog is running loose and see's your stupid kid chewing on a bone and jumps over YOUR fence and rips the kids face off attempting to steal YOUR kid's bone the dog is definitely a menace and needs to be put down.

How are the parents involved in this? The sitter took the child to the dogs house and the owner of the dog felt it was safe for the boy to be playing in the back yard. The owner of the dog said the boy did nothing wrong.

Choosing a stupid sitter? Leaving your child in the custody of stupid people that don't care about your child is a CRIME! The Sitter and the dog owner should be in jail. The parents should have to answer to the fact that they left their kid in the hands of morons.

 

[Two Thumbs]

It wasn't the dog's fault. The kid took his bone. The kid may have done it before. The dog shouldn't die because it was the victim of theft.

When I was 8, I was playing with a neighborhood kid, he opened his garage door, told his dog to sit, then walked past, I smiled at the dog b/c it was nice looking.

it leaped for my throat, I was able to block with my face (tucked my chin) nearly loosing my right ear and nose, also got my lip split.

I'm 46 and the scars are still clear.

So from first hand knowledge of what it's like, go fuck yourself you ignorant self righteous pile of arrogant shit.

You are clearly not a parent

 

[Lonestar_logic]

well, kind of, with a large place to run and bones of his own.

So reward the dog with a life of Reilly for mauling a 4 year old child.

look.... this is the last I will tell you.... you can not judge an animal under the same paradigms that you judge human beings.

In animals there is no right or wrong.

Animals do not have morals values. Animals are innocent creatures that act by nature.

Oh but I can and will judge an animal that I have raised and trained. You are correct dogs don't know right from wrong but they do understand the rules if properly trained.

When my second oldest daughter was around 3 years old she went outside with a hotdog wiener and tried to give it to my Rhodesian Ridgeback who weighed 85 lbs. No matter how many times she shoved it in his face, he wouldn't take it from her hand. She had him literally backing up to keep her from sticking it in his face. That's how well trained and conditioned that dog was. To this day food can literally be taken out of the mouths of any of my dogs.

The owners of this animal wants the dog put down. They would know more about the behavior of this animal and how it was trained and how far it may have strayed from it's training and/or conditioning.

 

[Synthaholic]

There are no bad dogs, just bad owners.

 

[blackhawk]

40,000 take the time to ask the authorities to not put the pit bull down. The dog that ripped the face off of a 4 year old neighbor boy for taking away his bone. The pictures of the boy are very sad.

So how much risk are children and people in general expected to assume with pit bulls? One attack is more than enough for me. I would be fine with city ordinances banning pit bulls. Yes, I know… it’s all about who trains them. Whatever. Do you distinguish DWI laws based on it all depends how responsible the party is who had the drinks?

This country is too much in love with animals at the expense of taking risks with children. How many kids being malled is an acceptable number to keep pit bulls in the community? How many times should a pit bull be allowed to attack before it is taken away? And, yes, I am all for the owner being put in jailed or sentenced somehow for what his dog did. I am liable for any minors in my home.

For as hyper sensitive our society is with risks of any other kind (such as toys, chemicals, etc.) they sure seem to look the other way when it comes to dangerous dogs.

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In 2012, there were 38 attacks by dogs that resulted in death. Out of the 38 deadly attacks, 23 of them were by pit bulls.



Campaign to Save Dog in Arizona Mauling - ABC News

Dog That Mauled 4-Year-Old Gets Online Support

PHOENIX March 16, 2014 (AP)

A dog that mauled a 4-year-old Phoenix boy has received thousands of pleas for mercy through a Facebook campaign ahead of a court hearing to decide his fate.

A municipal court judge could rule at a March 25 hearing on whether Mickey, a pit bull that bit Kevin Vicente in the face, should be euthanized. Kevin received injuries that will require, according to doctors, months and possibly years of reconstructive surgeries.

Since the Feb. 20 attack, Mickey has become the object of a Facebook page that has gotten more than 40,000 likes and an online petition to spare his life.

Supporters say the campaign doesn't mean they value the dog's life above the child's.

"This is not Kevin versus Mickey," said attorney John Schill, who is representing the dog in the court petition. "Having Mickey killed is not going to take away Kevin's pain or injuries. The only thing this is going to do is kill a poor, innocent dog."

Pit bulls are viewed by some as a dangerous breed, a reputation their fans dispute.

Guadalupe Villa, who was at the scene of the attack, filed the vicious-animal petition to have the dog put down.

"I just looked at all this as this could have been my son, and I don't want it to be someone else," Villa said.

Schill said he is working pro bono at the request of The Lexus Project, a nonprofit that collects money to legally defend canines in danger of being euthanized. The organization has set up a trust for Mickey that has received more than $5,600, he said.

Schill said the person watching Kevin while his mother was at work should be held responsible.

"But for adults involved, this never would have happened," Schill said. "They're trying to put all the blame on Mickey."

Villa, whose boyfriend's mother was baby-sitting Kevin the day of the attack, said her friend is not to blame.

"She took amazing care of that little boy," said Villa, who claims in the petition that Mickey killed her dog last year.

According to Villa, Kevin picked up a bone lying on the ground near the dog, which was kept on a chain. That's when Mickey suddenly attacked Kevin, Villa said.

Villa said she can't understand the Facebook attention and doesn't see Mickey as a victim.

Kevin was hospitalized at Maricopa Medical Center with a broken eye socket, cheek bone and lower jaw bone, according to doctors.

Dr. Salvatore Lettieri, a Mayo Clinic physician and chief of cosmetic surgery at Maricopa Medical Center, said he was able to fix the broken bones and reattach the muscles that allow Kevin to open and close his eye.

"He still can't open his eye. We'll need to fix the tear duct drainage system — that is if he makes tears," Lettieri said.

Flor Medrano, a family friend, said Kevin continues to recover at a pediatric hospital in Phoenix but will return to Maricopa Medical Center later this week for more surgery on his eye.

Medrano also said a fundraising website has received about $6,000 in donations for the boy. The Maricopa Health Foundation also established a website that has received 50 donations.

The social media support for Mickey doesn't indicate that people care more about a dog than a child, Harold Herzog, a psychology professor at Western Carolina University who studies animal interaction.

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My question is why did the adult let the child get that close to a pit bull? As the article states the dog was on a chain so it could only go so far it seems to me someone was asleep at the switch letting the kid get that close.

 

[Asclepias]

I have taken quite a few animal behavior courses. Don't try to school me with your ignorance. Dogs will bite if someone tries to take their food or something else that the dog considers theirs. The only one that can do that is the accepted pack leader. The child should have been taught not to try to take the dog's bone. In fact how about teaching a child not to take something that doesn't belong to them at all.

I have encountered many people who think taking away their dog's food or toys as a way of playing with them. That is the fast track to making a peaceful dog generally vicious.

Instead of taking courses you should have actually worked with and trained dogs. I'm not trying to school you. Your ignorance of dogs is astounding. You can socialize your dog to exhibit any behavior you want to if its food is taken by anyone. You cant be that ignorant about this? The only thing you got halfway right was the pack concept. You do realize there are more positions in the pack than just leader right? There is a hierarchy and your dog should know and understand that it is at the bottom of it.

I have worked with dogs for years and put up with their stupid owners, like you. The kid had it coming. The dog did nothing wrong. Find the abused dog a decent owner. Problem solved.

I wonder how many people you have gotten bit being an idiot? The point is not if the kid had it coming. The point is if the dog should be put down. A dog that attacks a 4 year old should be put down. Its dangerous and something is wrong with it.

 

[Harry Dresden]

The dog is not dangerous. When this kid grows up he'll be stealing cars not bones. That's dangerous. The dog did not bite without reason. It was protecting it's property. Teach children early to respect others.

oh geezus....the kid was 4 years old and picked up a fucking Bone....so now he is going to be a car thief...you are the rights version of TM's Katz....

 

[HUGGY]

It wasn't the dog's fault. The kid took his bone. The kid may have done it before. The dog shouldn't die because it was the victim of theft.

When I was 8, I was playing with a neighborhood kid, he opened his garage door, told his dog to sit, then walked past, I smiled at the dog b/c it was nice looking.

it leaped for my throat, I was able to block with my face (tucked my chin) nearly loosing my right ear and nose, also got my lip split.

I'm 46 and the scars are still clear.

So from first hand knowledge of what it's like, go fuck yourself you ignorant self righteous pile of arrogant shit.

You are clearly not a parent

At 8 years old you had made the choice to trust "the neighborhood kid". The lesson you obviously didn't absorb was when to trust others and when not to. It was YOUR error. It wasn't the dog's. My male Pitbull jumps between me and anybody behind me every time. He doesn't attack them... just positions himself close to me to guard my back if neccessary. Then The female positions herself to face the other person. It is in their nature.

When it comes to food or ANYTHING in my dog's mouths I can remove it any time I want with no fuss. That doesn't mean I would EVER let ANYONE try to do the same thing.

The dog owner in the OP's case was criminally negligent. Just as culpable as if he had handed the kid a loaded pistol.

Your problem is that you haven't learned where blame needs be placed when something goes wrong. 1st ...YOU..trusting in the judgement of someone you obviously didn't know very well. ...Secondly your stupid neighbor friend that obviously didn't know his dog very well.. ..thirdly .. your parents for not teaching you better about approaching strange dogs.. and a distant 4th... the dog.

 

[CaféAuLait]

40,000 want this pit bull to live? I don't get it?

It seems the 4 year old had a fair opportunity to keep the bone. People need to train their kids to fight harder. OR

Not tease Pitbulls. Kids do stupid things all of the time..they play on 4th floor widow sills. They light fires... They burn themselves on stoves and taking hot stuff off of stoves.. They poison themselves eating and drinking stuff they have been told to stay out of. They believe the television and think they can jump out of a tree and nothing will happen. It's not the fault of the dog if adults don't teach their children to not do dangerous things.

The world is a dangerous place. Should we eliminate cars because dumb ass little Jimmy or Molly chases a ball into traffic?

If parents can't supervise and keep their children safe then have Child Protective Services take the children to a home where they will be cared for responsibly.

NOW if a dog is running loose and see's your stupid kid chewing on a bone and jumps over YOUR fence and rips the kids face off attempting to steal YOUR kid's bone the dog is definitely a menace and needs to be put down.

How are the parents involved in this? The sitter took the child to the dogs house and the owner of the dog felt it was safe for the boy to be playing in the back yard. The owner of the dog said the boy did nothing wrong.

Choosing a stupid sitter? Leaving your child in the custody of stupid people that don't care about your child is a CRIME! The Sitter and the dog owner should be in jail. The parents should have to answer to the fact that they left their kid in the hands of morons.

And the dog/puppy this dog mauled to death, whose fault is that?

 

[Harry Dresden]

Not the dog's fault. Was simply reacting on instinct. Could have just as easily been any other larger-breed dog resulting in the exact same result. Singling out pits because the public's ignorant about dogs and behaviour (especially their own) isn't fair.

I owe my life to a dog, a collie who when as a mobile-toddler fell into my grandparent's fish pond with no adults around. Evidently (I'm told) I would have drowned if not for the out-of-character alert-barking of the collie. I've since made it a point to learn about dogs and other animals. And I can tell ya, there's no such thing as a evil dog.

as a guy who carried mail for 33 years i can tell you....you are full of shit....

 

[Asclepias]

Katz is the reason all people should be tested for intelligence prior to purchasing a dog. A dog is capable of inflicting a tremendous amount of damage on a child in a very short period of time. With a pits determination not to let go once it gets a hold of something the danger is even worse. If you own a dog a child should be able to walk up to your dogs bowl and take it from the dog without any issues. If this is not the case you are playing with fire especially if you have children.

 

[CaféAuLait]

40,000 take the time to ask the authorities to not put the pit bull down. The dog that ripped the face off of a 4 year old neighbor boy for taking away his bone. The pictures of the boy are very sad.

So how much risk are children and people in general expected to assume with pit bulls? One attack is more than enough for me. I would be fine with city ordinances banning pit bulls. Yes, I know… it’s all about who trains them. Whatever. Do you distinguish DWI laws based on it all depends how responsible the party is who had the drinks?

This country is too much in love with animals at the expense of taking risks with children. How many kids being malled is an acceptable number to keep pit bulls in the community? How many times should a pit bull be allowed to attack before it is taken away? And, yes, I am all for the owner being put in jailed or sentenced somehow for what his dog did. I am liable for any minors in my home.

For as hyper sensitive our society is with risks of any other kind (such as toys, chemicals, etc.) they sure seem to look the other way when it comes to dangerous dogs.

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In 2012, there were 38 attacks by dogs that resulted in death. Out of the 38 deadly attacks, 23 of them were by pit bulls.



Campaign to Save Dog in Arizona Mauling - ABC News

Dog That Mauled 4-Year-Old Gets Online Support

PHOENIX March 16, 2014 (AP)

A dog that mauled a 4-year-old Phoenix boy has received thousands of pleas for mercy through a Facebook campaign ahead of a court hearing to decide his fate.

A municipal court judge could rule at a March 25 hearing on whether Mickey, a pit bull that bit Kevin Vicente in the face, should be euthanized. Kevin received injuries that will require, according to doctors, months and possibly years of reconstructive surgeries.

Since the Feb. 20 attack, Mickey has become the object of a Facebook page that has gotten more than 40,000 likes and an online petition to spare his life.

Supporters say the campaign doesn't mean they value the dog's life above the child's.

"This is not Kevin versus Mickey," said attorney John Schill, who is representing the dog in the court petition. "Having Mickey killed is not going to take away Kevin's pain or injuries. The only thing this is going to do is kill a poor, innocent dog."

Pit bulls are viewed by some as a dangerous breed, a reputation their fans dispute.

Guadalupe Villa, who was at the scene of the attack, filed the vicious-animal petition to have the dog put down.

"I just looked at all this as this could have been my son, and I don't want it to be someone else," Villa said.

Schill said he is working pro bono at the request of The Lexus Project, a nonprofit that collects money to legally defend canines in danger of being euthanized. The organization has set up a trust for Mickey that has received more than $5,600, he said.

Schill said the person watching Kevin while his mother was at work should be held responsible.

"But for adults involved, this never would have happened," Schill said. "They're trying to put all the blame on Mickey."

Villa, whose boyfriend's mother was baby-sitting Kevin the day of the attack, said her friend is not to blame.

"She took amazing care of that little boy," said Villa, who claims in the petition that Mickey killed her dog last year.

According to Villa, Kevin picked up a bone lying on the ground near the dog, which was kept on a chain. That's when Mickey suddenly attacked Kevin, Villa said.

Villa said she can't understand the Facebook attention and doesn't see Mickey as a victim.

Kevin was hospitalized at Maricopa Medical Center with a broken eye socket, cheek bone and lower jaw bone, according to doctors.

Dr. Salvatore Lettieri, a Mayo Clinic physician and chief of cosmetic surgery at Maricopa Medical Center, said he was able to fix the broken bones and reattach the muscles that allow Kevin to open and close his eye.

"He still can't open his eye. We'll need to fix the tear duct drainage system — that is if he makes tears," Lettieri said.

Flor Medrano, a family friend, said Kevin continues to recover at a pediatric hospital in Phoenix but will return to Maricopa Medical Center later this week for more surgery on his eye.

Medrano also said a fundraising website has received about $6,000 in donations for the boy. The Maricopa Health Foundation also established a website that has received 50 donations.

The social media support for Mickey doesn't indicate that people care more about a dog than a child, Harold Herzog, a psychology professor at Western Carolina University who studies animal interaction.

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My question is why did the adult let the child get that close to a pit bull? As the article states the dog was on a chain so it could only go so far it seems to me someone was asleep at the switch letting the kid get that close.

My question would be how long was the chain, was it a 6 foot chain or a 25 foot chain?

My other question would be did the owner warn the sitter that the dog was vicious and had just viciously mauled another dog to death.

If the sitter was told by the owner it was safe for the child to be in the back yard, the child could have been bit coming within any length of the chain.