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[Deadstick]

His puppet leader was ousted and ukraine elected someone who wanted in NATO. So he used proxies in Donbas to try to break away from Ukraine.

Didnt work with proxies so eventually he took Crimea to ensure Russian access to the Black Sea. He wanted Donbas and more to put a buffer zone on land for Crimea.

Since Proxies didnt take Donbas he went full invasion to secure more ports to the Black Sea and buffer zone land to protect them.

Sound it continue he may try to permanently cease Odessa.

This War is about land and access to the Black Sea.

Cool story, but its total bullshit, Yanukovych wasn't a puppet he was treading a path between East and West, any election after he was overthrow has been totally illegitimate.

 

[Deadstick]

Actually, much lesser. In three years. Hardly more than death rate from traffic accidents.

In those three years Mexican drug dealers killed almost one million of Americans. (May be more, if we count not only fentanyl, but other poisons, too).
And 300K/year is much more than 40K/year.

Don't forget the Doctors in the US getting people hooked on Opiates because of corrupt dealings with bug pharma.

 

[Zavulon]

Far more than auto deaths. And alcohol kills far more Russians than drugs do Americans. Russians are a physically weak, sickly, malnourished pack.

Of course not. Death rate of traffic accidents in Russia is roughly 40K per year. Alcohol-related death rate is roughly 50K per year. Its far more than the death rate from Ukrainian weapons (which is, in fact, a way lesser than those "125K in three years" of yours) and far lesser than even only fentanyl overdose death rate in the USA which is 300K/year (say nothing about uncountable other drug-addiction related deaths).

 

[eagle1462010]

Cool story, but its total bullshit, Yanukovych wasn't a puppet he was treading a path between East and West, any election after he was overthrow has been totally illegitimate.

Criminal cases against Yulia Tymoshenko since 2010 - Wikipedia

He had his opposition leader thrown in jail in 2011. He didnt win by much in 2010.

Ukraine took a vote on corruption of Yanukovych and removed him from office in 2014 forcing a early election. Courts there said this vote was legitimate via impeachment rules.

Yulia was released from prison ad the courts deemed her innocent of any crime.

Ukrainian MPs vote to oust President Yanukovych

 

[eagle1462010]

There are 2 sides to every story.

Some say it was a coup....Russian Types...

Some say it was a legal Impeachment Ukraine side.

Some say Yulia was a political prisoner sent there by Yanukovych.

Either way it caused a Civil War.

 

[eagle1462010]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas

Says Russian Paramilitaries seized towns in Donbas. Russia using proxies.


In the end Russia moved to secure Black Sea Waterfront property.

This War is about control of the Black Sea ports.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Cool story, but its total bullshit, Yanukovych wasn't a puppet he was treading a path between East and West, any election after he was overthrow has been totally illegitimate.

That is fascist Russian propaganda.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Of course not. Death rate of traffic accidents in Russia is roughly 40K per year. Alcohol-related death rate is roughly 50K per year. Its far more than the death rate from Ukrainian weapons (which is, in fact, a way lesser than those "125K in three years" of yours) and far lesser than even only fentanyl overdose death rate in the USA which is 300K/year (say nothing about uncountable other drug-addiction related deaths).

No, we all know you are lying now, and even with Trump in office, Ukraine is winning.

 

[Zavulon]

There are 2 sides to every story.

Some say it was a coup....Russian Types...

Some say it was a legal Impeachment Ukraine side.

It wasn't legal Impeachment anyway. Even pro-Maidan guys call it "revolution of dignity".

Some say Yulia was a political prisoner sent there by Yanukovych.

Either way it caused a Civil War.

NATO and EU wanted expansion, Russia said, that it's won't be allowed. And it caused proxy-war between Russia and NATO on the territory of the former Ukraine. And now, when Kievan regime is running out of people, NATO should either surrender and make few steps back, either be defeated, either to escalate to open sending of NATO forces (and be ready to participation in a nuclear war).

 

[Deadstick]

Criminal cases against Yulia Tymoshenko since 2010 - Wikipedia

He had his opposition leader thrown in jail in 2011. He didnt win by much in 2010.

Ukraine took a vote on corruption of Yanukovych and removed him from office in 2014 forcing a early election. Courts there said this vote was legitimate via impeachment rules.

Yulia was released from prison ad the courts deemed her innocent of any crime.

Ukrainian MPs vote to oust President Yanukovych

e saw mobs on Maidan spearheaded by Nazis we saw insane McCain and F... the EU Nuland in Kiev every week inciting the mob and choosing who the mext leader of Ukraine would be, so save me the bullshit.

 

[Zavulon]

No, we all know you are lying now, and even with Trump in office, Ukraine is winning.

Ukraine is running out of men, and Ukraine is losing territories. Ukrainian economy is destroyed and highly unlikely that it will be recuperated. Non-nuclear state can't win a war against vital interests of a nuclear state. Even in the worst case the nuclear state might use nukes. Like, you know, Mexico can't return Texas, and Canada can't deploy Chinese nuclear IRBMs in Alberta.

 

[Zavulon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas

Says Russian Paramilitaries seized towns in Donbas. Russia using proxies.


In the end Russia moved to secure Black Sea Waterfront property.

This War is about control of the Black Sea ports.

Not only them.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

We see Ukraine kicking Russian ass, taking more Mother Rodina from the scum.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Or you simply can't understand plain English. "If you are not rolling back to 1997 borders - you are dead." Is that simple enough?

Ah yes, the Russian troll claiming others don't understand English....

 

[frigidweirdo]

Fabrication on fabrication, the fact is Ukraine had been independent for years and as corrupt as hell, and how was Putin undermining the Country? Putin did nothing in 2014 the US and the west did when they overthrew the elected Government that triggered civil war, Russia should have gone in then and not waited until thousands of people had died in Donbass when they were attacked, over the years i have proved ethnic Russians and independent Ukrainians were murdered where the hell have you been? Odessa massacre ring any bells?

You have lots of words, but again, you've totally failed to provide even a little bit of evidence.

You say "Odessa massacre ring any bells?" and yet you don't provide evidence for this. Like a broken record.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Bad Russians and bad Ukranians were removed in 2014.

That won't change.

 

[Zavulon]

We see Ukraine kicking Russian ass, taking more Mother Rodina from the scum.

And where do you see it? As far as I know even US-TV doesn't claim it.

 

[eagle1462010]

It wasn't legal Impeachment anyway. Even pro-Maidan guys call it "revolution of dignity".

NATO and EU wanted expansion, Russia said, that it's won't be allowed. And it caused proxy-war between Russia and NATO on the territory of the former Ukraine. And now, when Kievan regime is running out of people, NATO should either surrender and make few steps back, either be defeated, either to escalate to open sending of NATO forces (and be ready to participation in a nuclear war).

NATO surrender lol

You mean Ukraine.

 

[Zavulon]

You have lots of words, but again, you've totally failed to provide even a little bit of evidence.

You say "Odessa massacre ring any bells?" and yet you don't provide evidence for this. Like a broken record.

If you don't know about Odessa massacre - you either supporter of genocide (for denialism is a kind of support), either you allow yourself talk about Ukrainian conflict without even minimal understanding of the question. Odessa massacre was even more important for this conflict (at least emotionally) than 911 was to "American war with terror".

 

[Zavulon]

NATO surrender lol

You mean Ukraine.

No. I mean NATO. We are not talking about demilitarization of Ukraine only anymore. With NATO involved, the bets were raised. Now we are talking about NATO rolling back its military infrastructure, about demilitarization of Europe. They, of course, won't agree, and the war will escalate.