What is it that you think people are unable to see? Obviously, there have been no changes to the laws of physics and chemistry that control all these things. What is different today is the enormous influx of CO2 and methane from the human use of fossil fuels. There have been points in the pre-human past when GHGs were added to the atmosphere by volcanism or methane clathrate eruptions and the environment reacted precisely as the laws of physics and chemistry say it will react.
$3 trillion per year to 2050 to reduce CO2 from the historic 7,000 PPM according to U.S. Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen
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The exact same thing that caused it in the past.
Then explain the graph. Historically, it looks perfect.
Stryder50
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Cycle of increase in flora produces increase in fauna as temperatures increase and global climate moves away from Ice Age conditions.
Note;
1. CO2 "spike" is minor when viewed in scale of tens-hundreds-millions of years recent history.
2. CO2 is a very minor player, role in global temperatures which must measure that of the dry land, oceans and atmosphere.
If you are worried about CO2, I suggest YOU stop producing it.
Explain what about the graph?
I don't know. Do the scientists know? If they don't, how do they explain the temperature fluctuations? And if they do, what is different this time?
Money in its simplest form values the amount of time specialized labor is put into an output. It is the central organizing principle of society that people specialize in outputs, which is extremely productive, and the value of your time is represented by money so you can trade. It's not controversial.Do You?
Given your history of distortion and delusional posts, perhaps you better cite a source or some other evidence to support your claim.
Example and excerpt;
Defining money is almost as tricky as defining love. It's something we use every day, but most people don't stop to think about what money is. Money is hard for most people to describe because, at its core, money is an idea. Conceptually, anything is considered money if it functions as:
1) a medium of exchange,
2) a store of value, and
3) a unit of account.
Given that money can have such a broad interpretation, we use monetary aggregates to measure the money supply, with categories based on liquidity.
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Khan Academy
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According to the graph, the temperature has been going up and down for eons. And so far, it looks like our current day is following that roller coaster. Why shouldn't it?
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The IPCC is on record that the climate change hysteria has little to do with the environment but is a wealth redistribution schemeU.S. Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen said on Saturday that the global transition to a low-carbon economy requires $3 trillion in new capital each year through 2050, far above current annual financing, but that filling the gap is the biggest economic opportunity of the 21st century
NEW PEER REVIEWED STUDY: CO2 HAS ZERO IMPACT ON CLIMATE CHANGE
Once again... those of you that continue to believe that the BIASED MSM is your source...
New Peer Reviewed Study: CO2 has Zero Impact on Climate Change - The HighWire
New study shows CO2 has minimal effect on temperatures, questions climate crisis claims, and warns against hasty energy transitions.thehighwire.com
read the above link and if you have an 8.5 seconds attention span here is a summary!
Squirrel! Why attention spans seem to be shrinking and what we can do about it
A powerful peer-reviewed scientific study delivers substantial evidence that carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions in the atmosphere have zero impact on the Earth’s global temperatures.
The study concludes that even though most publications attempt to depict a catastrophic future for our planet due to an increase in CO2, there is serious doubt that this is, in fact, the case.
Instead, the study authors deduced that their research unequivocally means that the officially presented narrative that human activity is causing a detrimental CO2 increase on Earth’s climate is merely a hypothesis rather than a substantiated reality.
The study also confirms what climatologist Dr. Judith Curry has stated, which is that the “manufactured consensus of scientists at the request of policymakers” regarding climate change is all a ruse to push an agenda that has nothing to do with climate change. She insists that “Earth has survived far bigger insults that what human beings are doing.”
According to Curry, the most significant danger is if “we do really stupid stuff like destroy our energy infrastructure before we have something better to replace it with.” She believes the biggest climate risk right now is a so-called transition risk, the risk of rapidly getting rid of fossil fuels
New Peer Reviewed Study: CO2 has Zero Impact on Climate Change - The HighWire
New study shows CO2 has minimal effect on temperatures, questions climate crisis claims, and warns against hasty energy transitions.thehighwire.com
Finally those of you that believe that a 1.5° C increase will destroy our world and it is caused by increasing CO2 parts per million PPM of 422.04 ppm daily average reading for atmospheric CO2 on the planet.
So what caused this?
"Some 500 million years ago, when the number of living things in the oceans exploded and creatures first stepped on land, the ancient atmosphere happened to be rich with about 7,000 ppm of carbon dioxide. "
How the World Passed a Carbon Threshold and Why It Matters
Last year marked the first time in several million years that atmospheric concentrations of CO2 passed 400 parts per million. By looking at what Earth’s climate was like in previous eras of high CO2 levels, scientists are getting a sobering picture of where we are headed.e360.yale.edu
CrusaderFrank
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Science? You mean repeatable experiments?
Can you repost the experiments linking temperatures to varying levels of CO2 from say 200 to 500ppm?
Stryder50
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Convoluted perhaps.
Value of "specialized labor" is quite varied when doing "amount of time" versus type of "specialized labor". Farm hand weeding a garden doesn't get same exchange of money for time as a heart surgeon would.
Then there is the concept of piece work payment where one gets same amount for WHAT is done versus time they take to do it.
Your "money is measure of time" is scraping bottom of barrel.
Nice try at CYA.
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Only a small part of it. Respiration by fauna, wildfires, volcanic emissions, etc. produce some of it. Some of it has always been there and for most of this planet's history, far beyond @400ppm.
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Earth’s original atmosphere was rich in methane, ammonia, water vapour, and the noble gas neon, but it lacked free oxygen. It is likely that hundreds of millions of years separated the first biological production of oxygen by unicellular organisms and its eventual accumulation in the atmosphere.
The composition of the atmosphere encodes a great deal of information bearing on its origin. Furthermore, the nature and variations of the minor components reveal extensive interactions between the atmosphere, terrestrial environment, and biota.
evolution of the atmosphere, the development of Earth’s atmosphere across geologic time. The process by which the current atmosphere arose from earlier conditions is complex; however, evidence related to the evolution of Earth’s atmosphere, though indirect, is abundant. Ancient sediments and rocks record past changes in atmospheric composition due to chemical reactions with Earth’s crust and, in particular, to biochemical processes associated with life.
Earth's early and modern atmospheres compared
Comparison of Earth's prebiotic and modern atmospheres. Before life began on the planet, Earth's atmosphere was largely made up of nitrogen and carbon dioxide gases. After photosynthesizing organisms multiplied on Earth's surface and in the oceans, much of the carbon dioxide was replaced with oxygen.
Evolution of the atmosphere | History, Composition, Changes, & Facts ...
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Inferred, not measured directly.
Direct measurements have been around for less than a century.
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Nope. I would rather deal with the impacts directly if they happen then give power to elites on the off chance whatever they do to lower my standard of living while keeping and elevating theirs might "fix" the problem.
I'll give up my car, my AC, my right to travel and my non-15 minute city when nature forces me to, not when some watermelon decides to use it as a scare tactic to get their Marx on.
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Not germane to our current human caused warming.Only a small part of it. Respiration by fauna, wildfires, volcanic emissions, etc. produce some of it. Some of it has always been there and for most of this planet's history, far beyond @400ppm.
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Earth’s original atmosphere was rich in methane, ammonia, water vapour, and the noble gas neon, but it lacked free oxygen. It is likely that hundreds of millions of years separated the first biological production of oxygen by unicellular organisms and its eventual accumulation in the atmosphere.
The composition of the atmosphere encodes a great deal of information bearing on its origin. Furthermore, the nature and variations of the minor components reveal extensive interactions between the atmosphere, terrestrial environment, and biota.
evolution of the atmosphere, the development of Earth’s atmosphere across geologic time. The process by which the current atmosphere arose from earlier conditions is complex; however, evidence related to the evolution of Earth’s atmosphere, though indirect, is abundant. Ancient sediments and rocks record past changes in atmospheric composition due to chemical reactions with Earth’s crust and, in particular, to biochemical processes associated with life.
Earth's early and modern atmospheres compared
Comparison of Earth's prebiotic and modern atmospheres. Before life began on the planet, Earth's atmosphere was largely made up of nitrogen and carbon dioxide gases. After photosynthesizing organisms multiplied on Earth's surface and in the oceans, much of the carbon dioxide was replaced with oxygen.
Evolution of the atmosphere | History, Composition, Changes, & Facts ...
Maybe this will help you.
Humans are responsible for a significant amount of CO2 in the atmosphere | Fact check
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So you can’t post a single experiment?
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