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I like guns. I like the second amendment. But we need to repeal that mess, we have had numerous presidents shot down, let alone all the faceless people over the past years slaughtered BY guns, We need to be rational, and end THAT.
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Getting rid of the 2A won't solve any problem, as an individual, I still have the right to own a weapon via the 1689 English Bill of Rights, and I have the inherent and natural right to self defense. :SHRUG:I like guns. I like the second amendment. But we need to repeal that mess, we have had numerous presidents shot down, let alone all the faceless people over the past years slaughtered BY guns, We need to be rational, and end THAT.
The tools the Framers intended citizens to use to defend their rights are the ballot box and the courts – not guns.Unable to cite a single source to back his claims, danielpalos has tried every dirty trick ever heard of in order to promote some ridiculous platform regarding gun control that only he understands.
His use of Hitler's National Socialism (repeating a lie over and over until it's accepted as truth) is despicable and a personal insult to me. If anyone on this board understands what point he's trying to make, please inform us.
The founding fathers, having had to rise up against a tyrannical government founded our nation on God given, inherent, natural, absolute, unalienable Rights that are above the law. The Right to keep and bear Arms is an extension of your Right to Life AND Liberty. Without the requisite tools to defend your Rights, they aren't worth a fart in wild whirlwind.
Getting rid of the 2A won't get rid of guns. :SHRUG:So, getting rid of guns won't stop gun violence. How so?
The tools the Framers intended citizens to use to defend their rights are the ballot box and the courts – not guns.Unable to cite a single source to back his claims, danielpalos has tried every dirty trick ever heard of in order to promote some ridiculous platform regarding gun control that only he understands.
His use of Hitler's National Socialism (repeating a lie over and over until it's accepted as truth) is despicable and a personal insult to me. If anyone on this board understands what point he's trying to make, please inform us.
The founding fathers, having had to rise up against a tyrannical government founded our nation on God given, inherent, natural, absolute, unalienable Rights that are above the law. The Right to keep and bear Arms is an extension of your Right to Life AND Liberty. Without the requisite tools to defend your Rights, they aren't worth a fart in wild whirlwind.
Indeed, there’s nothing in the history, text, or case law of the Second Amendment that ‘authorizes’ citizens to ‘take up arms’ against a government lawfully elected in accordance with the Constitution reflecting the will of the majority of the people.
Citizens have the right to posses firearms to protect life and property, the First Amendment protects citizens’ rights and protected liberties.
The tools the Framers intended citizens to use to defend their rights are the ballot box and the courts – not guns.Unable to cite a single source to back his claims, danielpalos has tried every dirty trick ever heard of in order to promote some ridiculous platform regarding gun control that only he understands.
His use of Hitler's National Socialism (repeating a lie over and over until it's accepted as truth) is despicable and a personal insult to me. If anyone on this board understands what point he's trying to make, please inform us.
The founding fathers, having had to rise up against a tyrannical government founded our nation on God given, inherent, natural, absolute, unalienable Rights that are above the law. The Right to keep and bear Arms is an extension of your Right to Life AND Liberty. Without the requisite tools to defend your Rights, they aren't worth a fart in wild whirlwind.
Indeed, there’s nothing in the history, text, or case law of the Second Amendment that ‘authorizes’ citizens to ‘take up arms’ against a government lawfully elected in accordance with the Constitution reflecting the will of the majority of the people.
Citizens have the right to posses firearms to protect life and property, the First Amendment protects citizens’ rights and protected liberties.
So, getting rid of guns won't stop gun violence. How so?
We as a nation should not accept any Democratic attempt to infringe on our second amendment rights, by the likes of a Diane Feinstein or any other democratic politician, because of the Las Vegas shooter.
No one's talking about infringing the Second Amendment, they're talking about amending the constitution to get RID OF the Second Amendment.
And no, the 2A shouldn't be got rid of because of the Vegas shooting, but because of the 10,000 people a year who die because of guns in the US.
You're not in the ballpark relative to numbers, but by your position, then alcohol should be banned. More people die due to alcoholic beverages than firearms. For every person killed by a firearm in America, FIVE nonsmokers will die due to second hand smoke because of cigarettes. Do you have a proposal to ban them as well?
300,000 people die each year from obesity. The major sources of the problem: fast food, sodas, and refined sugar. Do you advocate we crack down on fast food and require less sugar in sodas?
Car accidents cause more deaths than firearms. Should we outlaw cars and concentrate on building more buses?
Not in the ballpark? No, I am the fucking ballpark.
Guns in the United States — Firearms, gun law and gun control
In the United States, annual firearm homicides total
2014: 10,945
2013: 11,208
2012: 11,622
2011: 11,068
2010: 11,078
2009: 11,493
2008: 12,179
2007: 12,632
2006: 12,791
2005: 12,352
2004: 11,624
2003: 11,920
2002: 11,829
2001: 11,348
2000: 10,801
1999: 10,828
1998: 9,257
Alcohol is different to guns. If it were merely 10,000 people a year committing suicide with guns, then I'd have less of a problem with it.
I believe that smoking should be limited, yes. People can smoke, whatever, but I don't want them smoking around me. The UK implemented a smoking ban and it was great, you could go to the pub and not get filled with smoke. Go to restaurants and the same. If an individual wants to smoke around other smokers, then whatever, but not around non-smokers.
I have actually called for things to combat obesity. In the UK companies like Coca-Cola, Mars, Pepsi, all of those, get massive tax deals and they hardly pay anything. Healthy food suppliers are paying full taxes. It's ridiculous.
But it works for the rich. You buy their sugary items, they get rich. Then you go to hospital and the hospitals and insurance companies get rich too. None of these want to lose their money, so they make sure Americans are fat ass sugar guzzlers.
We as a nation should not accept any Democratic attempt to infringe on our second amendment rights, by the likes of a Diane Feinstein or any other democratic politician, because of the Las Vegas shooter.
No one's talking about infringing the Second Amendment, they're talking about amending the constitution to get RID OF the Second Amendment.
And no, the 2A shouldn't be got rid of because of the Vegas shooting, but because of the 10,000 people a year who die because of guns in the US.
You're not in the ballpark relative to numbers, but by your position, then alcohol should be banned. More people die due to alcoholic beverages than firearms. For every person killed by a firearm in America, FIVE nonsmokers will die due to second hand smoke because of cigarettes. Do you have a proposal to ban them as well?
300,000 people die each year from obesity. The major sources of the problem: fast food, sodas, and refined sugar. Do you advocate we crack down on fast food and require less sugar in sodas?
Car accidents cause more deaths than firearms. Should we outlaw cars and concentrate on building more buses?
Not in the ballpark? No, I am the fucking ballpark.
Guns in the United States — Firearms, gun law and gun control
In the United States, annual firearm homicides total
2014: 10,945
2013: 11,208
2012: 11,622
2011: 11,068
2010: 11,078
2009: 11,493
2008: 12,179
2007: 12,632
2006: 12,791
2005: 12,352
2004: 11,624
2003: 11,920
2002: 11,829
2001: 11,348
2000: 10,801
1999: 10,828
1998: 9,257
Alcohol is different to guns. If it were merely 10,000 people a year committing suicide with guns, then I'd have less of a problem with it.
I believe that smoking should be limited, yes. People can smoke, whatever, but I don't want them smoking around me. The UK implemented a smoking ban and it was great, you could go to the pub and not get filled with smoke. Go to restaurants and the same. If an individual wants to smoke around other smokers, then whatever, but not around non-smokers.
I have actually called for things to combat obesity. In the UK companies like Coca-Cola, Mars, Pepsi, all of those, get massive tax deals and they hardly pay anything. Healthy food suppliers are paying full taxes. It's ridiculous.
But it works for the rich. You buy their sugary items, they get rich. Then you go to hospital and the hospitals and insurance companies get rich too. None of these want to lose their money, so they make sure Americans are fat ass sugar guzzlers.
16,238 murders per year in the U.S. Of those 11,068 are by firearms.
How many people are murdered every day in the United States?
That's the facts.
If you take out the people killed by political jihadists (i.e. Muslims) and that can be done by banning Muslims from entering the United States what would the new figure be?
Now, deduct the numbers of people on SSRIs that are not being monitored that end up committing mass shootings, what would the new figure be?
Take those who were KNOWN TO BE MENTALLY UNSTABLE AND POSING A THREAT off the streets, what would the new figure be?
I'll bet the government never does a yearly tally to tell you those answers. All totaled, it's most gun violence.
I like guns. I like the second amendment. But we need to repeal that mess, we have had numerous presidents shot down, let alone all the faceless people over the past years slaughtered BY guns, We need to be rational, and end THAT.
How is it bullshit? That is the concept of the militia as discussed for ratification of our federal Constitution.no amount of appealing to ignorance will work on this anymore.
The People are the Militia; You are either well regulated or you are considered, unorganized (by our republican forms of Government).
"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on
Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788
That is utter bullshit; you've been proven wrong on that point and that is not what the law says. Do you have any new material?
Just meaningless gibberish.Still unable to document his claims, danienpalos is trying yet again to lie by the repetition of some cockamamie cow dung he invented to sound good, but is totally meaningless. He does not understand I'm not appealing to his ignorance of the law. AND now I'm handicapped because my posts have strikethroughs which discourages people from reading my posts.
The harsh, hard core reality is that the Second Amendment, like the entire Bill of Rights, is a limitation on the government, NOT on the citizenry. danielpalos argument is shot all to Hell (you gotta love the pun) when you consider that the federal government sells military rifles and pistols to the general public without them being in a militia.
Buying M1 Garands from the US Government - CMP - Civilian Marksmanship Program - GunsAmerica Digest
How is it bullshit? That is the concept of the militia as discussed for ratification of our federal Constitution.no amount of appealing to ignorance will work on this anymore.
The People are the Militia; You are either well regulated or you are considered, unorganized (by our republican forms of Government).
"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on
Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788
That is utter bullshit; you've been proven wrong on that point and that is not what the law says. Do you have any new material?
Simply appealing to ignorance and claiming You are right, only may work, twice a day, right winger.
How is it bullshit? That is the concept of the militia as discussed for ratification of our federal Constitution.no amount of appealing to ignorance will work on this anymore.
The People are the Militia; You are either well regulated or you are considered, unorganized (by our republican forms of Government).
"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on
Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788
That is utter bullshit; you've been proven wrong on that point and that is not what the law says. Do you have any new material?
Simply appealing to ignorance and claiming You are right, only may work, twice a day, right winger.
dude; You must be on the Right Wing.How is it bullshit? That is the concept of the militia as discussed for ratification of our federal Constitution.no amount of appealing to ignorance will work on this anymore.
The People are the Militia; You are either well regulated or you are considered, unorganized (by our republican forms of Government).
"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on
Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788
That is utter bullshit; you've been proven wrong on that point and that is not what the law says. Do you have any new material?
Simply appealing to ignorance and claiming You are right, only may work, twice a day, right winger.
You have NEVER been able to cite a single source in your favor; that is what proves you wrong, commie.
We as a nation should not accept any Democratic attempt to infringe on our second amendment rights, by the likes of a Diane Feinstein or any other democratic politician, because of the Las Vegas shooter.
No one's talking about infringing the Second Amendment, they're talking about amending the constitution to get RID OF the Second Amendment.
And no, the 2A shouldn't be got rid of because of the Vegas shooting, but because of the 10,000 people a year who die because of guns in the US.
You're not in the ballpark relative to numbers, but by your position, then alcohol should be banned. More people die due to alcoholic beverages than firearms. For every person killed by a firearm in America, FIVE nonsmokers will die due to second hand smoke because of cigarettes. Do you have a proposal to ban them as well?
300,000 people die each year from obesity. The major sources of the problem: fast food, sodas, and refined sugar. Do you advocate we crack down on fast food and require less sugar in sodas?
Car accidents cause more deaths than firearms. Should we outlaw cars and concentrate on building more buses?
Not in the ballpark? No, I am the fucking ballpark.
Guns in the United States — Firearms, gun law and gun control
In the United States, annual firearm homicides total
2014: 10,945
2013: 11,208
2012: 11,622
2011: 11,068
2010: 11,078
2009: 11,493
2008: 12,179
2007: 12,632
2006: 12,791
2005: 12,352
2004: 11,624
2003: 11,920
2002: 11,829
2001: 11,348
2000: 10,801
1999: 10,828
1998: 9,257
Alcohol is different to guns. If it were merely 10,000 people a year committing suicide with guns, then I'd have less of a problem with it.
I believe that smoking should be limited, yes. People can smoke, whatever, but I don't want them smoking around me. The UK implemented a smoking ban and it was great, you could go to the pub and not get filled with smoke. Go to restaurants and the same. If an individual wants to smoke around other smokers, then whatever, but not around non-smokers.
I have actually called for things to combat obesity. In the UK companies like Coca-Cola, Mars, Pepsi, all of those, get massive tax deals and they hardly pay anything. Healthy food suppliers are paying full taxes. It's ridiculous.
But it works for the rich. You buy their sugary items, they get rich. Then you go to hospital and the hospitals and insurance companies get rich too. None of these want to lose their money, so they make sure Americans are fat ass sugar guzzlers.
16,238 murders per year in the U.S. Of those 11,068 are by firearms.
How many people are murdered every day in the United States?
That's the facts.
If you take out the people killed by political jihadists (i.e. Muslims) and that can be done by banning Muslims from entering the United States what would the new figure be?
Now, deduct the numbers of people on SSRIs that are not being monitored that end up committing mass shootings, what would the new figure be?
Take those who were KNOWN TO BE MENTALLY UNSTABLE AND POSING A THREAT off the streets, what would the new figure be?
I'll bet the government never does a yearly tally to tell you those answers. All totaled, it's most gun violence.
Okay, so you said I'm not in the ballpark, and yet, I said 10,000 a year, you said in one year there are 11,068. Sounds like the ballpark to me.
As for your concern about Muslims, how many "political jihadists" have killed?
In the USA in 2016 there were two terrorist attacks, 49 people died in Orlando and zero people died in Ohio.
You take 11,068 and you minus 49, you still have more than 11,000 attacks.
Why you're taking these people out, I have no idea. In Orlando the guy used GUNS....
dude; You must be on the Right Wing.How is it bullshit? That is the concept of the militia as discussed for ratification of our federal Constitution.no amount of appealing to ignorance will work on this anymore.
The People are the Militia; You are either well regulated or you are considered, unorganized (by our republican forms of Government).
"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on
Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788
That is utter bullshit; you've been proven wrong on that point and that is not what the law says. Do you have any new material?
Simply appealing to ignorance and claiming You are right, only may work, twice a day, right winger.
You have NEVER been able to cite a single source in your favor; that is what proves you wrong, commie.
"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on
Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788
Our Second Amendment is not about natural rights, in any way, shape, or form.dude; You must be on the Right Wing.How is it bullshit? That is the concept of the militia as discussed for ratification of our federal Constitution.no amount of appealing to ignorance will work on this anymore.
The People are the Militia; You are either well regulated or you are considered, unorganized (by our republican forms of Government).
That is utter bullshit; you've been proven wrong on that point and that is not what the law says. Do you have any new material?
Simply appealing to ignorance and claiming You are right, only may work, twice a day, right winger.
You have NEVER been able to cite a single source in your favor; that is what proves you wrong, commie.
"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on
Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788
danielpalos, you must be a communist provocateur. The law is what the law is. The founding fathers had a well learned reason to intend for the general public to have their own private Arms.
You have not been able to acknowledge what the law IS... you try to sell easily disprovable bullshit that is NOT the way our law is practiced. The right is just as adamant that I'm a leftie every time we discuss immigration law. Yet the law is what the law is - and it does not favor them, just as the Second Amendment does not coincide with the snake oil you try to sell here.
When you see cops killing innocent people in the streets; when the government does not acknowledge nor respect the Constitution; when right and wrong are decided by power brokers that could enslave you on a whim, it is pure insanity to give up the Right to keep and bear Arms just because you hate guns.
You've been shown that your terminology is wrong. You've been proven to be a liar. When the right celebrated the Heller decision, they denounced me for explaining how it was an attack on your unalienable Rights. I realize that you and the right don't like this, but you guys really don't have a monopoly on everything. There are views other than the simple mindedness you and they are selling.
Our Second Amendment is not about natural rights, in any way, shape, or form.dude; You must be on the Right Wing.How is it bullshit? That is the concept of the militia as discussed for ratification of our federal Constitution.That is utter bullshit; you've been proven wrong on that point and that is not what the law says. Do you have any new material?
Simply appealing to ignorance and claiming You are right, only may work, twice a day, right winger.
You have NEVER been able to cite a single source in your favor; that is what proves you wrong, commie.
"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on
Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788
danielpalos, you must be a communist provocateur. The law is what the law is. The founding fathers had a well learned reason to intend for the general public to have their own private Arms.
You have not been able to acknowledge what the law IS... you try to sell easily disprovable bullshit that is NOT the way our law is practiced. The right is just as adamant that I'm a leftie every time we discuss immigration law. Yet the law is what the law is - and it does not favor them, just as the Second Amendment does not coincide with the snake oil you try to sell here.
When you see cops killing innocent people in the streets; when the government does not acknowledge nor respect the Constitution; when right and wrong are decided by power brokers that could enslave you on a whim, it is pure insanity to give up the Right to keep and bear Arms just because you hate guns.
You've been shown that your terminology is wrong. You've been proven to be a liar. When the right celebrated the Heller decision, they denounced me for explaining how it was an attack on your unalienable Rights. I realize that you and the right don't like this, but you guys really don't have a monopoly on everything. There are views other than the simple mindedness you and they are selling.
Our Second Amendment is clearly about what is necessary to the security of a free State.
It is definitely not, the unorganized militia.