260,000 Veterans Have Lost Their Gun Rights Since December

[ogibillm]

no, we are talking about the united states, in which people with access to guns kill themselves more frequently than those without.

and where about half the deaths occur without guns....so that means that if we didn't have guns...they would simply use what the other 19,974 use.

if that were true the rates would be the same.

you don't seem to be able to grasp the concept. is it too difficult for you?

If it were true then our suicide rate would be higher than Japan, China and South Korea....it isn't and we have access to guns, their law abiding citizens don't.....

you think access to guns is the only factor in a suicide?

why do you hate guns so much?

see, there are many aspects that can go into a population's suicide rate. but here, in the united states, where those factors can be accounted for across the population, those with access to guns kill themselves more frequently than those without.

No twit....I keep showing you that access to guns is not a factor in the suicide rate because so many countries who give law abiding citizens no access to guns have higher suicide rates than we do.

you erroneously want to pretend there are no variables but gun access. you would make a poor researcher.

and you still can't admit that here in the united states people with access to guns kill themselves more frequently than those without

 

[2aguy]

and where about half the deaths occur without guns....so that means that if we didn't have guns...they would simply use what the other 19,974 use.

if that were true the rates would be the same.

you don't seem to be able to grasp the concept. is it too difficult for you?

If it were true then our suicide rate would be higher than Japan, China and South Korea....it isn't and we have access to guns, their law abiding citizens don't.....

you think access to guns is the only factor in a suicide?

why do you hate guns so much?

see, there are many aspects that can go into a population's suicide rate. but here, in the united states, where those factors can be accounted for across the population, those with access to guns kill themselves more frequently than those without.

No twit....I keep showing you that access to guns is not a factor in the suicide rate because so many countries who give law abiding citizens no access to guns have higher suicide rates than we do.

you erroneously want to pretend there are no variables but gun access. you would make a poor researcher.

and you still can't admit that here in the united states people with access to guns kill themselves more frequently than those without

And half kill themselves without guns.........

Yes...twit...there are other variables...that is the whole point.....the Japanese, Chinese and South Koreans as well as the French and other Europeans have different motivators for killing themselves.....and they use those reasons to kill themselves at higher rates than we do......without access to guns.....

Please......try to think before you post...

 

[paulitician]

and where about half the deaths occur without guns....so that means that if we didn't have guns...they would simply use what the other 19,974 use.

if that were true the rates would be the same.

you don't seem to be able to grasp the concept. is it too difficult for you?

If it were true then our suicide rate would be higher than Japan, China and South Korea....it isn't and we have access to guns, their law abiding citizens don't.....

you think access to guns is the only factor in a suicide?

why do you hate guns so much?

see, there are many aspects that can go into a population's suicide rate. but here, in the united states, where those factors can be accounted for across the population, those with access to guns kill themselves more frequently than those without.

No twit....I keep showing you that access to guns is not a factor in the suicide rate because so many countries who give law abiding citizens no access to guns have higher suicide rates than we do.

you erroneously want to pretend there are no variables but gun access. you would make a poor researcher.

and you still can't admit that here in the united states people with access to guns kill themselves more frequently than those without

Owning a firearm does not make one suicidal. Your theory is preposterous and disingenuous. And regardless, people have the right to choose to commit suicide. It's a personal decision. It's not a Government decision.

 

[2aguy]

if that were true the rates would be the same.

you don't seem to be able to grasp the concept. is it too difficult for you?

If it were true then our suicide rate would be higher than Japan, China and South Korea....it isn't and we have access to guns, their law abiding citizens don't.....

you think access to guns is the only factor in a suicide?

why do you hate guns so much?

see, there are many aspects that can go into a population's suicide rate. but here, in the united states, where those factors can be accounted for across the population, those with access to guns kill themselves more frequently than those without.

No twit....I keep showing you that access to guns is not a factor in the suicide rate because so many countries who give law abiding citizens no access to guns have higher suicide rates than we do.

you erroneously want to pretend there are no variables but gun access. you would make a poor researcher.

and you still can't admit that here in the united states people with access to guns kill themselves more frequently than those without

Owning a firearm does not make one suicidal. Your theory is preposterous and disingenuous. And regardless, people have the right to choose to commit suicide. It's a personal decision. It's not a Government decision.

They love suicide if a doctor does it....hate it if you cut out the middle man and use a gun....

 

[paulitician]

if that were true the rates would be the same.

you don't seem to be able to grasp the concept. is it too difficult for you?

If it were true then our suicide rate would be higher than Japan, China and South Korea....it isn't and we have access to guns, their law abiding citizens don't.....

you think access to guns is the only factor in a suicide?

why do you hate guns so much?

see, there are many aspects that can go into a population's suicide rate. but here, in the united states, where those factors can be accounted for across the population, those with access to guns kill themselves more frequently than those without.

No twit....I keep showing you that access to guns is not a factor in the suicide rate because so many countries who give law abiding citizens no access to guns have higher suicide rates than we do.

you erroneously want to pretend there are no variables but gun access. you would make a poor researcher.

and you still can't admit that here in the united states people with access to guns kill themselves more frequently than those without

And half kill themselves without guns.........

Yes...twit...there are other variables...that is the whole point.....the Japanese, Chinese and South Koreans as well as the French and other Europeans have different motivators for killing themselves.....and they use those reasons to kill themselves at higher rates than we do......without access to guns.....

Please......try to think before you post...

That particular Gun Grabber's theory is that owning a firearm makes one suicidal. It's an absurd dishonest theory. It shows how low the Grabbers will stoop in trying to violate others' Constitutional Rights.

 

[ogibillm]

if that were true the rates would be the same.

you don't seem to be able to grasp the concept. is it too difficult for you?

If it were true then our suicide rate would be higher than Japan, China and South Korea....it isn't and we have access to guns, their law abiding citizens don't.....

you think access to guns is the only factor in a suicide?

why do you hate guns so much?

see, there are many aspects that can go into a population's suicide rate. but here, in the united states, where those factors can be accounted for across the population, those with access to guns kill themselves more frequently than those without.

No twit....I keep showing you that access to guns is not a factor in the suicide rate because so many countries who give law abiding citizens no access to guns have higher suicide rates than we do.

you erroneously want to pretend there are no variables but gun access. you would make a poor researcher.

and you still can't admit that here in the united states people with access to guns kill themselves more frequently than those without

Owning a firearm does not make one suicidal. Your theory is preposterous and disingenuous. And regardless, people have the right to choose to commit suicide. It's a personal decision. It's not a Government decision.

not my theory. harvard conducted a scientific study. those in the united states with access to firearms kill themselves more frequently than those without.

 

[ogibillm]

if that were true the rates would be the same.

you don't seem to be able to grasp the concept. is it too difficult for you?

If it were true then our suicide rate would be higher than Japan, China and South Korea....it isn't and we have access to guns, their law abiding citizens don't.....

you think access to guns is the only factor in a suicide?

why do you hate guns so much?

see, there are many aspects that can go into a population's suicide rate. but here, in the united states, where those factors can be accounted for across the population, those with access to guns kill themselves more frequently than those without.

No twit....I keep showing you that access to guns is not a factor in the suicide rate because so many countries who give law abiding citizens no access to guns have higher suicide rates than we do.

you erroneously want to pretend there are no variables but gun access. you would make a poor researcher.

and you still can't admit that here in the united states people with access to guns kill themselves more frequently than those without

And half kill themselves without guns.........

Yes...twit...there are other variables...that is the whole point.....the Japanese, Chinese and South Koreans as well as the French and other Europeans have different motivators for killing themselves.....and they use those reasons to kill themselves at higher rates than we do......without access to guns.....

Please......try to think before you post...

so if you admot there are other variables why do you insist on the comparison?

here in the united states those with access to guns kill themselves more frequently than those without. do you have any peer reviewed studies to.dispute that claim?

 

[Mertex]

So now we have another scandal where the VA is screwing over the veterans they are supposed to be representing.

260,000 Veterans Have Lost Their Gun Rights Since December

The Second Amendment has been under attack for some time now in the united States, and there has been a relentless assault by the Obama administration at attacking the rights of the people to keep and bear arms. At the forefront of that attack has been America’s veterans, andaccording to a report, at least 260,000 veteranshad their gun rights revoked by the Department of Veteran’s Affairs since December 2015.

Guns in the News reports:

Last December the VA started reporting thousands of veterans to the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check system, which is responsible for determining whether or not a potential gun buyer is legally allowed to own a firearm.

Specifically, they’ve been reporting veterans who have a fiduciary trustee to act on their behalf for legal or financial matters. All veterans with this arrangement are beingautomatically declared “mentally defective” according to Guns.com, and are having their second amendmentrights revoked. Over the past 4 months alone the VA has reported over 260,000 veterans to the NICS, which now accounts for 99% of all “mentally defective” claims to the database.

Of course, not all veterans with a fiduciary trustee are a danger to themselves or others, and unfortunately the VA hasn’t bothered to investigate any of these individuals to see if they should be reported. Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa has been questioning the VA on this matter, and hopes to put a stop to it. “The very agency created to serve them (veterans) is jeopardizing their Second Amendment rights through an erroneous reading of gun regulations. The VA’s careless approach to our veterans’ constitutional rights is disgraceful.”

This is not new and doesn’t seem to be going away. In February, the National RifleAssociation was attempting to discover which veterans this was happening to across the country.

Once again, Guns in the News reported:

As we have reported several times in the past (including here and here), the Veterans Administration (VA) has been reporting to the National InstantCriminal Background Check System (NICS) the identities of its beneficiaries who have been assigned a “fiduciary” to manage their benefits. The VA claims that such determinations constitute an “adjudication of mental defectiveness” under federal law, thereby prohibiting the beneficiary (presumptively for life) from acquiring or possessingfirearms.

I am a Vietnam Combat Vet and exposed to Agent Orange but never used any benefit from Uncle Sam. There are a few Vietnam Combat Vets who are off their rocker.

I'll agree, but that should be decided on a case-by-case basis.... NOT by a blanket denial of the very rights our vets fought to protect, based on some murky criteria.

If they are not able to handle their legal and financial matters, they certainly can't be trusted with a gun. You don't care about the victims, all you care about is your guns.

"Specifically, they’ve been reporting veterans who have a fiduciary trustee to act on their behalf for legal or financial matters."

 

[paulitician]

If it were true then our suicide rate would be higher than Japan, China and South Korea....it isn't and we have access to guns, their law abiding citizens don't.....

you think access to guns is the only factor in a suicide?

why do you hate guns so much?

see, there are many aspects that can go into a population's suicide rate. but here, in the united states, where those factors can be accounted for across the population, those with access to guns kill themselves more frequently than those without.

No twit....I keep showing you that access to guns is not a factor in the suicide rate because so many countries who give law abiding citizens no access to guns have higher suicide rates than we do.

you erroneously want to pretend there are no variables but gun access. you would make a poor researcher.

and you still can't admit that here in the united states people with access to guns kill themselves more frequently than those without

Owning a firearm does not make one suicidal. Your theory is preposterous and disingenuous. And regardless, people have the right to choose to commit suicide. It's a personal decision. It's not a Government decision.

not my theory. harvard conducted a scientific study. those in the united states with access to firearms kill themselves more frequently than those without.

Bullshite. The study is intentionally misleading and disingenuous. It implies that owning firearms = Being more suicidal than others. There is no credible scientific proof out there showing Gun Owners being more prone to suicide than anyone else. Just more Gun Grabber dishonesty. Movin on...

 

[ogibillm]

you think access to guns is the only factor in a suicide?

why do you hate guns so much?

see, there are many aspects that can go into a population's suicide rate. but here, in the united states, where those factors can be accounted for across the population, those with access to guns kill themselves more frequently than those without.

No twit....I keep showing you that access to guns is not a factor in the suicide rate because so many countries who give law abiding citizens no access to guns have higher suicide rates than we do.

you erroneously want to pretend there are no variables but gun access. you would make a poor researcher.

and you still can't admit that here in the united states people with access to guns kill themselves more frequently than those without

Owning a firearm does not make one suicidal. Your theory is preposterous and disingenuous. And regardless, people have the right to choose to commit suicide. It's a personal decision. It's not a Government decision.

not my theory. harvard conducted a scientific study. those in the united states with access to firearms kill themselves more frequently than those without.

Bullshite. The study is intentionally misleading and disingenuous. It implies that owning firearms = Being more suicidal than others. There is no credible scientific proof out there showing Gun Owners being more prone to suicide than anyone else. Just more Gun Grabber dishonesty. Movin on...

no credible proof except the scientific study conducted by harvard showing that people with gun access kill themselves more frequently than those without.

 

[paulitician]

No twit....I keep showing you that access to guns is not a factor in the suicide rate because so many countries who give law abiding citizens no access to guns have higher suicide rates than we do.

you erroneously want to pretend there are no variables but gun access. you would make a poor researcher.

and you still can't admit that here in the united states people with access to guns kill themselves more frequently than those without

Owning a firearm does not make one suicidal. Your theory is preposterous and disingenuous. And regardless, people have the right to choose to commit suicide. It's a personal decision. It's not a Government decision.

not my theory. harvard conducted a scientific study. those in the united states with access to firearms kill themselves more frequently than those without.

Bullshite. The study is intentionally misleading and disingenuous. It implies that owning firearms = Being more suicidal than others. There is no credible scientific proof out there showing Gun Owners being more prone to suicide than anyone else. Just more Gun Grabber dishonesty. Movin on...

no credible proof except the scientific study conducted by harvard showing that people with gun access kill themselves more frequently than those without.

Gun Grabber Communists/Progressives. They had an agenda. No different than the Globull Warming zealots. There is no valid proof that Gun Owners are any more suicidal than any other segment of Society.

People from all walks of life choose to commit suicide. And until they invent a magic pill that prevents sadness, depression, terminal illness, people will continue to commit suicide. We don't need scientific studies to confirm that.

 

[ogibillm]

you erroneously want to pretend there are no variables but gun access. you would make a poor researcher.

and you still can't admit that here in the united states people with access to guns kill themselves more frequently than those without

Owning a firearm does not make one suicidal. Your theory is preposterous and disingenuous. And regardless, people have the right to choose to commit suicide. It's a personal decision. It's not a Government decision.

not my theory. harvard conducted a scientific study. those in the united states with access to firearms kill themselves more frequently than those without.

Bullshite. The study is intentionally misleading and disingenuous. It implies that owning firearms = Being more suicidal than others. There is no credible scientific proof out there showing Gun Owners being more prone to suicide than anyone else. Just more Gun Grabber dishonesty. Movin on...

no credible proof except the scientific study conducted by harvard showing that people with gun access kill themselves more frequently than those without.

Gun Grabber Communists/Progressives. They had an agenda. No different than the Globull Warming zealots.

must be nice to live in a fantasy world where information from reputable sources that makes you uncomfortable can be dismissed out of hand as a conspiracy theory

There is no valid proof that Gun Owners are any more suicidal than any other segment of Society.

and yet there is valid proof that those with access to guns commit suicide more frequently than those without.