25 Reason Trump won't pay a dime to E Carrol...

[Faun]

No it hasn't.

Zionist Fascism hit America on 911 with a Zionist Fascist Hate Hoax False Flag attack, and only the SUBS still fall for it...

 

[bendog]

I'm fine with fixing the border, but this idea that the US is going to be able to seal 2000 miles of southern border to keep brown skin illegals out is a fools errand and only useful for politicians as a photo-op that tries to bamboozle the gullible. It's a band aid to a deeper underlying problem since I've seen reporting that half of illegal aliens enter the country legally through day trips, student visas, worker visas, and tourist visas and just never leave.

I'm NOT saying that fencing and border crossings aren't useful, they are in some areas, but to "seal" the border as some think we can do results in:

• Massive expenditures in the short term which really doesn't address the underlying cause, and the problem will return once the short term spending goes away, or
• PERMENANT Massive spending to keep what little gains are achieved.

Even then if you "seal" the border they will find other ways, such as ladders, ropes, tunneling, hell taking a boat up the west/gulf coasts and just bypass the land border.

If we want to fix the illegal alien problem in the long term we have to address WHY to illegals come here and it boils down to three main reasons: Jobs, Social Programs, and Birthright Citizenship.
So...
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Birthright Citizenship Part 1:
Congress needs to pass a law that clarifies 14th Amendment birthright clause that it applies only to those here legally as being under the "jurisdiction thereof" as it pertains to jus soli citizenship. That a person MUST be here legally at the time of birth for jus soli to apply. This of course will be challenged and the SCOTUS may rule that such a law is unconstitutional.

Birthright Citizenship Part 2:
In the event the SCOTUS rules that way, take it out of their hands and amend the Constitution to enshrine it there.

Birthright Citizenship Part 3:
There should be no such thing as "anchor babies", if illegal parents have a legal child then one of three things should happen at the parents choice:

1. They are deported and can take the child with them. The legal child can return at a later date, parents keep responsibility.
2. The child is turned over to a legal resident or a citizen for adoption or someone who is willing to assume full responsibility legally as loco parentis.
3. The child is turned over to the state for adoption or foster care placement.

JOBS:
Cut off access to jobs and hold employers responsible for employing illegals. Before we can do this though we need to fix the broken I-9 (Federal Employment Verification Form) problem and give employers the tools to make accurate hiring decisions with what I think of as "Improved Employment Verify" or iE-Verify. This system would integrate information from the IRS, SSA, State Department (Visas, Naturalization, etc.), State DMV's and State Departments of Vital Statistics (births, marriages, deaths) and employers (or a vendor) would be able to access real time and verify an individuals employment eligibility.

At such time employers would be required to verify employment and if they were found to have hired illegals (either formally or under the table) then they would face fines equal to all wages and benefits paid + plus a percentage penalty. You have to make the cost of hiring illegals exceed the savings of hiring illegals.

Along with this though will be a valid "Guest Worker" program, where businesses can sponsor workers in certain fields (such as agriculture) but will have to front a bond pending the guest workers departure.

SOCIAL PROGRAMS:
Illegal Aliens should have no access to taxpayer funded social programs including education.

If an institution (local, state, or federal) receives taxpayer funds then the will be required to reject and report. This includes public schools, public colleges/universities, social programs funded in part or in whole by taxpayers, and medical providers who receive any direct funds or are Medicare/MedicAid providers. Failure to comply will result in revocation of access to taxpayer funds for a minimum of 1 year for a first offense with additional years being tacked on for repeat offenders.
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So ya, I'm fine with dealing with criminals as it pertains to illegal aliens.

WW

I believe the Sup Ct would have to reverse itself on Phyler v. Doe, but I'd be fine with that. I pretty much agree with you

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

Carroll let Trump bend her over in a dressing room thinking she bagged a millionaire. Now thirty years later and just happens to be an election year she files charges.

 

[Leo123]

There you have it
Carrol agreed to model lingerie…..not be forcibly groped in a dressing room

Why would a jury believe her story?
Maybe because Trump bragged about how he enjoyed grabbing women by the pussy

There is no proof of any of that.

 

[rightwinger]

There is no proof of any of that.

There is her own testimony compared to Trumps

Guess who the Jury believed?

 

[meaner gene]

Carroll let Trump bend her over in a dressing room thinking she bagged a millionaire. Now thirty years later and just happens to be an election year she files charges.

Don't forget. It was president Trump from the bully pulpit who defamed (called a liar) of Carroll. The timing was based on when Trump defamed her. And when he did so for a second time.

 

[meaner gene]

There is no proof of any of that.

Is a jury verdict proof?

If so, then there is certainly proof.

 

[billyerock123]

This disturbed woman needs to be sued by Trump for LYING and taking something that never happened and have her spend some time in prison. This is a Liberal shakedown for a man they hate. I hope he can appeal and sue the HELL out of her. Some of the items below might be minor but when you put the whole package together she is a Liberal nutcase.​

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1) Carroll has said rape is “sexy”​

She backs up this insane statement with, “Think of the fantasies” (which my wife and I can’t stop saying to each other). For the record, having someone forcibly violate you against your will is the exact opposite of “sexy.”

2) She’s already bragging about shopping sprees​

Remember in “Goodfellas” when that idiot shows up at the party with his wife wearing a $20,000 fur coat and De Niro tells him to “bring it back”? When you run a scam, you need to lay low for a while. Carroll, conversely, is making appearances on national television telling Rachel Maddow she’s going to buy her a “penthouse in Paris” as well as fishing gear and a motorcycle for her counsel (could she pick weirder presents?). Her lawyer awkwardly murmured, “Uh, that’s a joke.”


Yeah, this whole thing is a joke..

3) The scenario she described came from her favorite TV show​

She is a self-described “Law & Order” fan, and there is an episode wherein a man muscles his way into a changing room at Bergdorf Goodman and sexually molests a woman. This is likely where she got the idea. She’s also a big fan of “The Apprentice.” Would you like to watch your rapist on TV?

4) She didn’t want to press criminal charges​

Being on the cover of New York magazine is one thing, but taking your BS story into an actual courtroom is a whole other level of fraud. When Bill de Blasio said he would change the law to make the case admissible, Carroll kept awkwardly repeating, “The experts told me … the time has passed.”

5) They changed the law​

The case had no merit because the statute of limitations on civil action had passed. So what happened? The New York State Legislature changed the law. Is there anything that screams “witch hunt” more than that? What are we, Zimbabwe?

6) The man who backed the lawsuit is a major DNC donor​

Leftist activist billionaire Reid Hoffman is the money behind this operation. His motive is obviously to bankrupt Trump so he can’t run again. Carroll denied this at first because she’s a liar, but her lawyer was forced to come clean.

7) The whole thing was George Conway’s idea, apparently​

Though she denies it, it’s clear this entire plan was concocted by “conservative lawyer” Conway at a radical leftist cocktail party in Manhattan.

8) Carroll’s lawyer is desperate to fix her reputation as a rape-enabler​

Roberta Kaplan was supposed to champion victims of sexual assault with her #TimesUp movement, but she used it instead to run cover for perverts such as Andrew Cuomo. She got caught and she got fired. Her comeback included representing Ashley Biden (A Biden lawyer going after Trump? Is anyone surprised?), but this case could permanently rescue her Google results.

9) Carroll’s dress didn’t exist back then​

Carroll said the rape happened in the early 1990s. We just learned the particular dress she said she was allegedly wearing did not exist at the time.

10) She cannot remember when the rape happened​

We’re not talking about the exact date. She can’t tell us if it was 1993 or 1995.

11) She won’t let anyone test her coat for DNA​

Carroll calls the dress her “bad luck dress” and told CNN she will never make a talisman out of it — as though the idea had occurred to anyone. Why did she keep it around? This could be the left’s Monica Lewinsky dress, but she refuses to let anyone analyze it.

12) She doesn’t know if Trump ejaculated​

I don’t know if anyone reading this has engaged in sexual intercourse, but evidence of the male orgasm is almost impossible to hide.

13) She is a serial accuser​

Despite being a 3.5, she has claimed men have sexually assaulted her at least a half-dozen times. This isn’t proof of Trump’s innocence in and of itself, but it becomes relevant when surrounded by 24 other points.

14) She said it wasn’t sexual​

Carroll has said pretty much everything that you could say about this encounter, from “it was not sexual” to “it was the definition of rape.” She said she would not press charges, however, because it would trivialize the experience of illegal aliens who are being “raped around the clock.”

15) She’s not his type​

Trump is into elegant Slavs. This woman is like that hysterical chicken lady from “The Kids in the Hall.”

16) The judge and Carroll’s lawyer are pals​

We’re told Judge Lewis Kaplan was Roberta Kaplan’s (no relation) mentor back when they both worked at Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison. Roberta Kaplan denies this, but it can’t be denied they worked at the same firm at the same time. That alone is a conflict of interest.

17) Carroll didn’t talk to anyone about the alleged assault, until she did​

If a woman is sexually assaulted, she is morally obligated to report it immediately, so the rapist doesn’t do it again. Carroll did not do this. What’s more, she didn’t talk to any of her friends about it. At least not at first. This is peculiar behavior for a blabbermouth.

18) Even if it’s all true, the settlement would be tiny​

Carroll alleged that Trump cost her a columnist job at Elle, but the magazine made it clear it ended her contract as an advice columnist based on nothing more than lack of interest. But let’s assume Elle fired her because Trump wrote a mean tweet. A good price for an advice column would be a couple of hundred bucks per piece. That’s $2,000 a year for Elle. Assuming Carroll lives as long as “Dear Abby” columnist Pauline Esther Friedman, who died at 94, that would be a whopping total of $28,000 (Carroll is 80).

So, we’re off by about $82,972,000.

19) She said women “love” being abducted​

She told Charlie Rose (remember him?) in 1995 that women love the idea of a caveman knocking them unconscious with a club and then dragging them — by their hair — back to the cave. I’m no feminist, but I’m pretty sure the cerebral contusions from this kind of violence are not a turn-on.

20) She said it wasn’t a big deal​

“I’m a mature woman,” she said. “I can handle it.” OK, then why does she need $83 million to recover? That’s four times the amount of money you get when your kid is decapitated.

21) She lives in a Mouse House​

Anyone who doubts this lady’s mental state needs to check out her house. She calls it “The Mouse House” because it’s infested with rodents (to whom she has given individual names, such as “Terbrusky”). She has painted the trees blue. She has printed out 27 years of advice column questions and stacked them all over the place. Yes, writers can be weird. But it is impossible to look at her place and not think, “This is nuts.”

22) She is a hoarder​

Hoarding is a mental disorder. You can’t sue someone for calling you “crazy” if you have a mental disorder.

23) Her cat is called “Vagina” — seriously​

E. Jean Carroll is obsessed with sex and her vagina. She said she lives in the woods because if she lived in the city, she’d have 16 boyfriends. She’s 80, remember?

Her dog “Tits” has blue hair, and her cat is named “Vagina.” The left-wing media thinks this is irrelevant. “Among the stranger complaints made by the former president … was that the jury wasn’t informed about the name of his accuser’s cat: Vagina T. Fireball.” Uh, when the charge is “calling a sane woman crazy,” Vagina T. Fireball matters.

24) She writes notes to herself​

Wait, doesn’t everyone do that? Not like this. “The Mouse House” is festooned with bizarre messages. Her microwave says, “Burn Baby Burn.” Her bookshelf says, “Always amused never angry.” And, in a moment of deranged honesty, she taped a note to a lamp that says, “Hold your nerve. Pursue your radical options to the bitter END!”

25) Carroll said she wanted to “rape” Trump​

Apparently, she thought having rough sex with him in the changing room would make for a “funny story.” (Wait, I thought she didn’t tell anyone about what happened to her out of fear.) She also suggested she’d do it for $17,000 if he was unable to speak. Sounds awfully rapey, doesn’t it?
Anyone who takes this case seriously and doesn’t see E. Jean Carroll as a complete basket case is a complete basket case.

25 reasons Trump won’t pay a dime to E. Jean Carroll | Blaze Media

That eye-popping $83 million judgment will not survive an appeal. A proper settlement would subtract at least $82,972,000.

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You do realize your conspiracy’s theorist's is not worth reading here … it’s all bull shit

 

[ThisIsMe]

FPOTUS#45 did sue Carroll for defamation.

That case was dismissed because a jury determined that FPOSTUS#45 did rape her (colloquial term) via the sexual assault (technical liability by the jury).

The jury found he attacked her in their decision of May 2023. FPOTUS#45 sued her and the case was dismissed in August 2023.

WW

Ahh, so that’s just further proof of 2 tiered justice. Carroll sued by trump for defamation…which he actually has evidence of, because she couldn’t provide evidence. That’s defamation, but the jury decided that they wanted to believe her instead (go figure).

It’s not surprising.

 

[Leo123]

Is a jury verdict proof?

If so, then there is certainly proof.

Not really, the prosecution wanted the jury to find Trump guilty of rape but they couldn't because there was no evidence.

 

[ThisIsMe]

How was this trial not fair?

Any NY judge and jury is going to be tough for trump to get a fair trial in.

Let’s look at the case. To get to preponderance of evidence, there would have had to have been SOME kind of evidence to begin with. Comments trump had made about her, or them being seen together, something that links them together that the jury would say “yes, we think it’s likely he could have done that”, but in this case, there was none of that. There is no evidence whatsoever that they were even at bergdorf at the same time. It’s just his word against hers, and her two friends she claimed to have told at the time.

The fact that the jury decided to find him liable under zero evidence or even any indication that they were ever at the store on that day shows the jury was biased.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Nope. He sexually assaulted her. Her writing about it, therefore, cannot be defamation.

‘We are watching’: E. Jean Carroll threatens to sue Trump for third time over repeated attacks

When asked if Donald Trump's recent remarks against Carroll could trigger a third lawtrsuit, her attorney Crowley stated that “we are watching and listening”.

www.hindustantimes.com

Prove it…there is no evidence they were ever at bergdorf that day, there was no evidence he touched her in any way sexually. None. It was just her word against his

 

[berg80]

Trump doesn’t care about protecting the people

Under Trump, DOJ will have two missions

1. Protect him from criminal prosecution
2. Attack his personal enemies

Imagine what the DoJ will look like after he purges everyone but loyalists and hacks.

 

[ThisIsMe]

LOL

And they would be laughed out of court when the Access Hollywood tape gets played where Trump bragged about assaulting women.

He never claimed to have assaulted anyone. He said “they let you”, he never claimed to have forced himself.

Even still, that tape in no way indicates he actually touched anyone.

Let’s put it this way, if you said “I want to rob that store” and lo and behold, that store got robbed, they can’t arrest you and put you in jail or fine you or whatever simply because you said that. They still have to prove you did it.

Same here , just because trump said “women let you” doesn’t indicate he had any contact with e Jean Carroll.

Of course we all know why you take this position. It’s all political. It’s the same reason why Tara Reid was dismissed so easily when she made a claim. It didn’t matter what she said, preponderance of evidence was inconsequential concerning her, because it involved Biden. You had to dismiss that straight away.

 

[rightwinger]

Imagine what the DoJ will look like after he purges everyone but loyalists and hacks.

Trump will not make the same mistake he made the first time in hiring those loyal to the Constitution over being loyal to him

 

[BS Filter]

When a female stooge democrat accuses you of rape it means only one thing, you're a threat to their agenda.

 

[rightwinger]

He never claimed to have assaulted anyone. He said “they let you”, he never claimed to have forced himself.

Even still, that tape in no way indicates he actually touched anyone.

Let’s put it this way, if you said “I want to rob that store” and lo and behold, that store got robbed, they can’t arrest you and put you in jail or fine you or whatever simply because you said that. They still have to prove you did it.

Same here , just because trump said “women let you” doesn’t indicate he had any contact with e Jean Carroll.

Of course we all know why you take this position. It’s all political. It’s the same reason why Tara Reid was dismissed so easily when she made a claim. It didn’t matter what she said, preponderance of evidence was inconsequential concerning her, because it involved Biden. You had to dismiss that straight away.

It shows an activity that Trump enjoys taking part in.
A woman’s interpretation of “let” may differ significantly from Trumps.

The fact that over a dozen women have accused Trump of sexual assault seems to indicate Trump does not understand “let”

 

[ThisIsMe]

It shows an activity that Trump enjoys taking part in.
A woman’s interpretation of “let” may differ significantly from Trumps.

The fact that over a dozen women have accused Trump of sexual assault seems to indicate Trump does not understand “let”

Accused…but never convicted, right? Of course people will come out of the woodwork, especially if it’s a Republican, to make accusations…when anyone actually proves anything, then let’s talk.

It shows an activity that Trump enjoys taking part in.

Many men and many women enjoy doing this…doesn’t mean he forced himself on anyone.

A woman’s interpretation of “let” may differ significantly from Trumps.

How do you know? Because you WANT to believe it based on all the political hackery you’ve listened to over the years?

I love the double standard though. When a Repub is accused it’s guilty! When a democrat is accused it’s deny deny deny!

lol.

 

[rightwinger]

Accused…but never convicted, right? Of course people will come out of the woodwork, especially if it’s a Republican, to make accusations…when anyone actually proves anything, then let’s talk.



Many men and many women enjoy doing this…doesn’t mean he forced himself on anyone.



How do you know? Because you WANT to believe it based on all the political hackery you’ve listened to over the years?

I love the double standard though. When a Repub is accused it’s guilty! When a democrat is accused it’s deny deny deny!

lol.

A Jury has to go on what is presented
Trumps demeanor in court, continued harassment of Carrol, bragging about doing the same thing Carrol accused him of and other women accusing him of the same thing made it easy for them.

 

[Chillicothe]

Zionist Fascism hit America on 911 with a Zionist Fascist Hate Hoax False Flag attack

Please, please, please, don't any posters here drive away one of my favs, EMH.
He is just too darn much fun to get sent off to the QAnon chatroom.
We need him here. We need more fun here. That's for sure.

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thirty years later and just happens to be an election year she files charges.

Well, notably, 30 years ago she didn't ...1. press charges criminally; 2. file a complaint civilly. But nearly 30yrs later she did describe the encounter in a book.....and DonT. promptly defamed her.
So she sued him---civilly----for defamation.

That brought on trial #1, and jurors 1 thru 9...who, after listening to Carroll's presentation, and Trump's presentation unanimously determined he had non-consensually penetrated her with his fingers.
And the judge laid something like a $5 million dollar fine on him.
So, in a temper tantrum he defamed her again. And again. And again.
So trial number 2 was conducted with jurors 10 thru 18. And that new set of 9, voted, like the first 9 did, voted unanimously.

And then they ---or maybe the judge (?) laid a $80+ million spank on DonT.
I thought you would have read all about that in various media reportages.

so that’s just further proof of 2 tiered justice.

Well, another perspective is that this so-called '2-tier system' was manifested by the deference the court offered Don Trump time after time when any other less rich, less famous defendant would have been cited for contempt and persisting ....sent off to the jail to cool off. But the unfair system favoring the rich and the famous clearly was displayed and Don Trump was allowed way way too much leeway, and way way too much public disrespect towards the judge and the court. IMHO

Not really, the prosecution wanted the jury to find Trump guilty of rape but they couldn't because there was no evidence.

Hell yes, of course the plaintiff's attorneys (there was no 'prosecution') wanted the jury to agree to the complaint of rape. But, the jury found 'insufficient' evidence as the statute at that time required penetration by a penis (not fingers) to be rape. It was not, as poster 'Leo' alleges of "no evidence". Rather..."insufficient evidence".
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It was just her word against his

Yupper, it was. Twice.
And 18 folks --and the judge ----believed her word over his.
And really, no one who can fog a mirror would question why.
As everybody knows, DonT has a long, long, fulsome history of economy of truth in his statements, claims, assertions, and boasts.
Duh!!! Who doesn't know that?

So, from my view as some bloke who never sat in that courtroom ....well, most anybody's word is gonna be believed over DonT's word. That's the Karma-thingy DonT. has dodged and snaked away from his entire life.

But accountability like karma finally found him.

Say, Amen!!!