25 Reason Trump won't pay a dime to E Carrol...

[Faun]

Any NY judge and jury is going to be tough for trump to get a fair trial in.

Let’s look at the case. To get to preponderance of evidence, there would have had to have been SOME kind of evidence to begin with. Comments trump had made about her, or them being seen together, something that links them together that the jury would say “yes, we think it’s likely he could have done that”, but in this case, there was none of that. There is no evidence whatsoever that they were even at bergdorf at the same time. It’s just his word against hers, and her two friends she claimed to have told at the time.

The fact that the jury decided to find him liable under zero evidence or even any indication that they were ever at the store on that day shows the jury was biased.

There was evidence. She brought in witnesses. Trump admitted to assaulting women previously. And in Trump's own testimony, after saying Carroll was not his type, thought a photo of her was really a photo of his ex-wife. You many not like that that is evidence, but it is.

 

[Faun]

Prove it…there is no evidence they were ever at bergdorf that day, there was no evidence he touched her in any way sexually. None. It was just her word against his

It was proven in a court of law, ya retard.

You don't have to like the verdict. You don't have to agree with the verdict. But the verdict remains a legal adjudication regardless of your feelings. He won't be able to sue her for defamation because of that court decision. Now that's not to say he can't try. Anyone can file a lawsuit for pretty much anything. But no judge is going to allow such a case to proceed.

 

[Faun]

He never claimed to have assaulted anyone. He said “they let you”, he never claimed to have forced himself.

Too retarded. So a rapist who rapes someone didn't really rape them if all he says is, she let me rape her??

Even still, that tape in no way indicates he actually touched anyone.

Bullshit. I already quoted him saying he touched women. Here it is again...

Trump: "Yeah that's her with the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know I'm automatically attracted to beautiful... I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything."​

Care to explain how he kisses anyone without touching them? You'll note, he doesn't say he just starts blowing them kisses.

Let’s put it this way, if you said “I want to rob that store” and lo and behold, that store got robbed, they can’t arrest you and put you in jail or fine you or whatever simply because you said that. They still have to prove you did it.

But that's not what he said. Using your robbery analogy, he said something more along the lines of, yeah, that's an attractive store to rob, look at all that gold. I better load my gun in case I want to rob it. You know I'm automatically attracted to rob these stores. I just rob them. It's like a magnet. Just rob them, I don't even wait. And when you're a bank robber, they let you rob them. They let you take anything.

Same here , just because trump said “women let you” doesn’t indicate he had any contact with e Jean Carroll.

Of course we all know why you take this position. It’s all political. It’s the same reason why Tara Reid was dismissed so easily when she made a claim. It didn’t matter what she said, preponderance of evidence was inconsequential concerning her, because it involved Biden. You had to dismiss that straight away.

The difference between Carroll and Reid was not them. It was the difference between Biden and Trump. Biden never bragged about assaulting women. Trump did. Such a confession is compelling to believe a woman when she says Trump did to her what he indicated he does to women.

 

[Faun]

Accused…but never convicted, right? Of course people will come out of the woodwork, especially if it’s a Republican, to make accusations…when anyone actually proves anything, then let’s talk.



Many men and many women enjoy doing this…doesn’t mean he forced himself on anyone.



How do you know? Because you WANT to believe it based on all the political hackery you’ve listened to over the years?

I love the double standard though. When a Repub is accused it’s guilty! When a democrat is accused it’s deny deny deny!

lol.

What do you mean, "especially if it's a Republican?"

Why do conservatives always play the victim card? Clinton was not a Republican.

 

[Leo123]

Insufficient evidence means 0 evidence of penetration by anyone or anything. Just her say so after 30 years of silence this is nothing but bullshit. NY changed its law so that this case could actually be adjudicated AFTER the original and institutional time limit. This whole thing stinks as much as her shrivled crotch.

 

[presonorek]

Well, its good to know any woman now can say you raped them with no proof, no year that it happened ,and you will be be paying a lot of money. How does that sound? Please prove you did not rape them. See how that works?

In criminal court you can take the 5th amendment. In civil court silence is considered admission of guilt. I learned that the hard way. If you ever get sued, save yourself the money, and just lose.

 

[rightwinger]

Defamation by Trump is much more than “You hurt my feelings”

Trump brings on the wrath of MAGA and Carrol received death threats for daring to accuse Trump

 

[Leo123]

Defamation by Trump is much more than “You hurt my feelings”

Trump brings on the wrath of MAGA and Carrol received death threats for daring to accuse Trump

The “wrath of maga?” You been watching too much scifi.

 

[rightwinger]

The “wrath of maga?” You been watching too much scifi.

Ask Capitol Police who were there on Jan6

 

[rightwinger]

Insufficient evidence means 0 evidence of penetration by anyone or anything. Just her say so after 30 years of silence this is nothing but bullshit. NY changed its law so that this case could actually be adjudicated AFTER the original and institutional time limit. This whole thing stinks as much as her shrivled crotch.

You are not going to get evidence of penetration 30 years later

What you do get is painful memories that Carrol wrote about in a book. Trump savagely attacked her and turned MAGA on her.
She sued and was awarded $5 million.

Trump was too stupid to realize his antics were costing him and kept it up.
$83 million

 

[MagicMike]

Locker room bragging is meaningless…

Not when he is accused by real women of doing the EXACT thing he is confessing of in his bragging.

 

[ThisIsMe]

A Jury has to go on what is presented
Trumps demeanor in court, continued harassment of Carrol, bragging about doing the same thing Carrol accused him of and other women accusing him of the same thing made it easy for them.

I get it…but it’s like I said, all they did is took that access Hollywood tape, where trump was talking locker room talk and used it as a conviction tool.

That’s fine. What’s done is dine. I just can’t wait until this comes back around to a democrat and we can watch you all make threads about how it’s wrong that they do that.

 

[rightwinger]

That’s fine. What’s done is dine. I just can’t wait until this comes back around to a democrat and we can watch you all make threads about how it’s wrong that they do that.

It has happened with Democrats
John Edwards and Gary Hart

Democrats were outraged and it ended their presidential ambitions

When Trump brags about grabbing women by the ***** and has sex with Porn Stars…….Fundamentalist Conservatives celebrate

 

[ThisIsMe]

Please, please, please, don't any posters here drive away one of my favs, EMH.
He is just too darn much fun to get sent off to the QAnon chatroom.
We need him here. We need more fun here. That's for sure.

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Well, notably, 30 years ago she didn't ...1. press charges criminally; 2. file a complaint civilly. But nearly 30yrs later she did describe the encounter in a book.....and DonT. promptly defamed her.
So she sued him---civilly----for defamation.

That brought on trial #1, and jurors 1 thru 9...who, after listening to Carroll's presentation, and Trump's presentation unanimously determined he had non-consensually penetrated her with his fingers.
And the judge laid something like a $5 million dollar fine on him.
So, in a temper tantrum he defamed her again. And again. And again.
So trial number 2 was conducted with jurors 10 thru 18. And that new set of 9, voted, like the first 9 did, voted unanimously.

And then they ---or maybe the judge (?) laid a $80+ million spank on DonT.
I thought you would have read all about that in various media reportages.


Well, another perspective is that this so-called '2-tier system' was manifested by the deference the court offered Don Trump time after time when any other less rich, less famous defendant would have been cited for contempt and persisting ....sent off to the jail to cool off. But the unfair system favoring the rich and the famous clearly was displayed and Don Trump was allowed way way too much leeway, and way way too much public disrespect towards the judge and the court. IMHO

Hell yes, of course the plaintiff's attorneys (there was no 'prosecution') wanted the jury to agree to the complaint of rape. But, the jury found 'insufficient' evidence as the statute at that time required penetration by a penis (not fingers) to be rape. It was not, as poster 'Leo' alleges of "no evidence". Rather..."insufficient evidence".
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Yupper, it was. Twice.
And 18 folks --and the judge ----believed her word over his.
And really, no one who can fog a mirror would question why.
As everybody knows, DonT has a long, long, fulsome history of economy of truth in his statements, claims, assertions, and boasts.
Duh!!! Who doesn't know that?

So, from my view as some bloke who never sat in that courtroom ....well, most anybody's word is gonna be believed over DonT's word. That's the Karma-thingy DonT. has dodged and snaked away from his entire life.

But accountability like karma finally found him.

Say, Amen!!!

Well, another perspective is that this so-called '2-tier system' was manifested by the deference the court offered Don Trump time after time when any other less rich, less famous defendant would have been cited for contempt and persisting ....sent off to the jail to cool off. But the unfair system favoring the rich and the famous clearly was displayed and Don Trump was allowed way way too much leeway, and way way too much public disrespect towards the judge and the court. IMHO

Or they gave him a little leeway because he IS an ex president. Trust me, they weren’t being nice to him because he’s rich lol. They hate his guts…

Yupper, it was. Twice.
And 18 folks --and the judge ----believed her word over his.
And really, no one who can fog a mirror would question why.
As everybody knows, DonT has a long, long, fulsome history of economy of truth in his statements, claims, assertions, and boasts.
Duh!!! Who doesn't know that?

So, from my view as some bloke who never sat in that courtroom ....well, most anybody's word is gonna be believed over DonT's word. That's the Karma-thingy DonT. has dodged and snaked away from his entire life.

But accountability like karma finally found him.

yep, so, just because someone talks and brags on himself, that’s a reason to find him guilty of rape? I mean, just because you don’t like someone doesn’t mean you can just convict him (well, unless you are a dem, then apparently it means you absolutely can)


It’s ok though, this will come back around on the dems some day and I’ll be eagerly watching the threads, waiting for your dismissal of how the law is unfair.

It’s only a matter of time…

 

[Freedomisneverfree]

Defamation by Trump is much more than “You hurt my feelings”

Trump brings on the wrath of MAGA and Carrol received death threats for daring to accuse Trump

I want all members here named "Right winger" round up and thrown in a pit of fireants sa they await their rape trials.

 

[ThisIsMe]

There was evidence. She brought in witnesses. Trump admitted to assaulting women previously. And in Trump's own testimony, after saying Carroll was not his type, thought a photo of her was really a photo of his ex-wife. You many not like that that is evidence, but it is.

She brought in witnesses? You mean her two friends? lol.

That’s kind of like:

“Your honor, jimmy called me a doo doo head!”

Judge: “ok, what is your evidence?

“Well, I got my biddies here that will testify he said it!”

Judge: “really? Did anyone hear this? See this? Does anyone have any evidence you two were even talking to each other?”

“No, but I got my two friends here who will tell you he did say that! So, yeah, let me know when I can collect my 83 million dollars!”

It’s not evidence, it’s about the furthest away from evidence.

 

[Freedomisneverfree]

You are not going to get evidence of penetration 30 years later

What you do get is painful memories that Carrol wrote about in a book. Trump savagely attacked her and turned MAGA on her.
She sued and was awarded $5 million.

Trump was too stupid to realize his antics were costing him and kept it up.
$83 million

Now why would he put his finger in that "fishy smelling hole:?

 

[ThisIsMe]

What do you mean, "especially if it's a Republican?"

Why do conservatives always play the victim card? Clinton was not a Republican.

Because it’s true. If you are a dem, they tend to deflect deflect and dismiss, take Biden and Tara Reid. You all dismissed that out of hand.

And Clinton wasn’t impeached for his affair with Lewinsky, he was impeached for lying to Congress

 

[Robert W]

Because Trump defamed her today

Not nearly enough.

 

[Robert W]

Now why would he put his finger in that "fishy smelling hole:?

I tell you, some women are walking, talking, fish smelling holes.