24 Division 1 schools are making money on Sports.

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Parallel women's sports have to be created for every mens sport that exists. The men's sports that generate revenue have to carry the other sports. Sports that may generate revenue have to take a backseat to gender equality bullshit.
Left wing sexist incompetence manifesting itself.

Not true. It's a numbers game to be sure. If you have a money losing football team (as the overwhelming majority of college football teams do) yes you must give women's sports that many slots to lose money

You need to balance every mens sport with a women's sport. The money makers have to subsidize these sports. In return, potential money making men's sports are disbanded or reduced to club level in order to accommodate women's sports. All in the name of pretending that women are the same as men.

I thought sports taught you something you can't learn in class. I guess only male students are entitled to learn whatever that "something" is?

Who said that?

Bucs 90

He said only males can learn from sports?

 

[candycorn]

Increased tuitions, increased senses of entitlement on the part of athletes, increased distance away from what universities are meant to do.

Not necessarily. There are top schools who have better graduation rates for their athletes than the national average for all colleges.

How long is a scholastic year; about 36 weeks. College football teams are active for 12 weeks regardless. Six of those weeks are usually spent traveling; sometimes out of the state, out of the time zone, and to play a meaningless game against a non-conference opponent just to satisfy some bizarre desire to see popular teams battle one another. This doesn’t count the practices, the scrimmages, the dinners, etc. And then you get a bowl game that saps even more time away from the library.

It is particularly dumb to think that all of these time demands do not draw attention away from academics. And if what you say is true, the demands certainly are not helpful to surpassing that very surprising outcome.

Meanwhile, according to Real Sports, 24 of the athletic programs in DIV 1 make money. Its easy to see why.

When the Univ of Alabama took the field on New Years Eve, for the first round of the playoffs, we broke an NCAA record. 29 members of the team had already earned their degree. I believe 6 of them had earned their Masters.

How many of the players in this "meaningless game" would be unable to afford a top university, without the scholarship they get?

The team also has tutors and study facilities for the athletes. When they travel, they can still study.

Gee, do other students get such lavish personal attention? I guess the football players pay for it though. Oh wait, silly me, they go to school for free.

Walked right into that one

Do other students offer so much of their time to an activity, in which they represent the university in athletic endeavors that pay the school tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of dollars?

Irrelevant. Some students may spend weeks working on a project or even months.

Or is it all about money?

Do other students do, as you posted before? "How long is a scholastic year; about 36 weeks. College football teams are active for 12 weeks regardless. Six of those weeks are usually spent traveling; sometimes out of the state, out of the time zone, and to play a meaningless game against a non-conference opponent just to satisfy some bizarre desire to see popular teams battle one another. This doesn’t count the practices, the scrimmages, the dinners, etc. And then you get a bowl game that saps even more time away from the library."

A regular college student can get a job, often one in which their major helps out. College athletes have very few options for work.

That is their choice. If you change the rules to disallow out of state travel and get rid of bowl games, navy they could get jobs.

Again, what are colleges for?

 

[candycorn]

Not true. It's a numbers game to be sure. If you have a money losing football team (as the overwhelming majority of college football teams do) yes you must give women's sports that many slots to lose money

You need to balance every mens sport with a women's sport. The money makers have to subsidize these sports. In return, potential money making men's sports are disbanded or reduced to club level in order to accommodate women's sports. All in the name of pretending that women are the same as men.

I thought sports taught you something you can't learn in class. I guess only male students are entitled to learn whatever that "something" is?

Who said that?

Bucs 90

He said only males can learn from sports?

No, you said only males should get funding; he said there is some special lesson you get from sports

 

[candycorn]

Oh, and one more tidbit in favor of college athletics. The city of Tuscaloosa sees roughly $18.5 million impact for every home football game. That money is the lifeblood of some businesses. And those businesses hire college students. You know, the ones who don't get stuff lavished on them.

they sold Houston the same nonsense before referendums to build 3 stadiums. They had subsequent muni layoffs, furloughs and slums still surround the new stadiums.

Amazingly none of the predictions about economic booms came true. 6 days is the "lifeblood" of a business? Suuuuuuure

 

[candycorn]

Yeah, all of those new Volleyball stadiums being built are a BIG drain.

Parallel women's sports have to be created for every mens sport that exists. The men's sports that generate revenue have to carry the other sports. Sports that may generate revenue have to take a backseat to gender equality bullshit.
Left wing sexist incompetence manifesting itself.

Not true. It's a numbers game to be sure. If you have a money losing football team (as the overwhelming majority of college football teams do) yes you must give women's sports that many slots to lose money

You need to balance every mens sport with a women's sport. The money makers have to subsidize these sports. In return, potential money making men's sports are disbanded or reduced to club level in order to accommodate women's sports. All in the name of pretending that women are the same as men.

That is a significant part of the problem, but not all. First of all tuitions are scandalous --- they have skyrocketed even worse than the medical industry if that is possible. I cannot say who is to blame but I suspect there are lot of bullshit classes keeping high paid professors employed, there is too much emphasis on image and variety. Who is learning anything valuable going forward these days? Even if they were just liberal bastions, at least get rid of the B.S. and prepare students for decent jobs. It’s just an another wing of bloated government, a curse we cannot cure.

I do not think any student is entitled to sports or band scholarships. We cannot afford the luxury. If these students are paying 25,000 – 50,000 a year to be in college then they can pay $5,000 more to play sports if it’s their fancy. For every student who gets such an enriched life’s experience from being in sports, there are 20 who fail worse on their academics as a result of dedicating enormous amounts of hours to these sports. These sports lose tons of money then the colleges go to their legislatures needing greater funds year after year to run their self-serving monoliths.

Considering the number of professions that require college, you might want to rethink the idea that it is a waste. If the student decides to major in basket weaving, or women's studies, or whatever, that is their fault.

I would love to see any link backing your claim of " For every student who gets such an enriched life’s experience from being in sports, there are 20 who fail worse on their academics as a result of dedicating enormous amounts of hours to these sports". Because the Univ of Alabama football team has a graduation rate of 86%. Here’s College Football’s Top 25, In Order Of Graduation Rate

A free ride with nutritionists, trainers, tutors, and all of the other unofficial you find out about years later when citizens are still paying for a program on probation; it should be 100%

 

[turzovka]

Yeah, all of those new Volleyball stadiums being built are a BIG drain.

Parallel women's sports have to be created for every mens sport that exists. The men's sports that generate revenue have to carry the other sports. Sports that may generate revenue have to take a backseat to gender equality bullshit.
Left wing sexist incompetence manifesting itself.

Not true. It's a numbers game to be sure. If you have a money losing football team (as the overwhelming majority of college football teams do) yes you must give women's sports that many slots to lose money

You need to balance every mens sport with a women's sport. The money makers have to subsidize these sports. In return, potential money making men's sports are disbanded or reduced to club level in order to accommodate women's sports. All in the name of pretending that women are the same as men.

That is a significant part of the problem, but not all. First of all tuitions are scandalous --- they have skyrocketed even worse than the medical industry if that is possible. I cannot say who is to blame but I suspect there are lot of bullshit classes keeping high paid professors employed, there is too much emphasis on image and variety. Who is learning anything valuable going forward these days? Even if they were just liberal bastions, at least get rid of the B.S. and prepare students for decent jobs. It’s just an another wing of bloated government, a curse we cannot cure.

I do not think any student is entitled to sports or band scholarships. We cannot afford the luxury. If these students are paying 25,000 – 50,000 a year to be in college then they can pay $5,000 more to play sports if it’s their fancy. For every student who gets such an enriched life’s experience from being in sports, there are 20 who fail worse on their academics as a result of dedicating enormous amounts of hours to these sports. These sports lose tons of money then the colleges go to their legislatures needing greater funds year after year to run their self-serving monoliths.

Considering the number of professions that require college, you might want to rethink the idea that it is a waste. If the student decides to major in basket weaving, or women's studies, or whatever, that is their fault.

I would love to see any link backing your claim of " For every student who gets such an enriched life’s experience from being in sports, there are 20 who fail worse on their academics as a result of dedicating enormous amounts of hours to these sports". Because the Univ of Alabama football team has a graduation rate of 86%. Here’s College Football’s Top 25, In Order Of Graduation Rate

There is no link. It is my hunch based on how many hours any student has to spend on a sport. They average at least 4 hours a day from the time they leave their dorm to the time they return, don't you think? Not to mention weekends and travel. It is a ton of time that might have been used for their academic responsibilities. And I am not talking about Division 1 football, I am talking about every sport, every college. Be it swimming or rowing or gymnastics or volleyball or a large number of other sports that are totally bankrolled by the colleges because there is no revenue in them.

Graduation rates mean nothing to me. G.P.A. scores might be of some interest, but you need not pursue that line, I am going on what it takes to belong in a sport. A ton of time.

 

[Unkotare]

Parallel women's sports have to be created for every mens sport that exists. The men's sports that generate revenue have to carry the other sports. Sports that may generate revenue have to take a backseat to gender equality bullshit.
Left wing sexist incompetence manifesting itself.

Not true. It's a numbers game to be sure. If you have a money losing football team (as the overwhelming majority of college football teams do) yes you must give women's sports that many slots to lose money

You need to balance every mens sport with a women's sport. The money makers have to subsidize these sports. In return, potential money making men's sports are disbanded or reduced to club level in order to accommodate women's sports. All in the name of pretending that women are the same as men.

That is a significant part of the problem, but not all. First of all tuitions are scandalous --- they have skyrocketed even worse than the medical industry if that is possible. I cannot say who is to blame but I suspect there are lot of bullshit classes keeping high paid professors employed, there is too much emphasis on image and variety. Who is learning anything valuable going forward these days? Even if they were just liberal bastions, at least get rid of the B.S. and prepare students for decent jobs. It’s just an another wing of bloated government, a curse we cannot cure.

I do not think any student is entitled to sports or band scholarships. We cannot afford the luxury. If these students are paying 25,000 – 50,000 a year to be in college then they can pay $5,000 more to play sports if it’s their fancy. For every student who gets such an enriched life’s experience from being in sports, there are 20 who fail worse on their academics as a result of dedicating enormous amounts of hours to these sports. These sports lose tons of money then the colleges go to their legislatures needing greater funds year after year to run their self-serving monoliths.

Considering the number of professions that require college, you might want to rethink the idea that it is a waste. If the student decides to major in basket weaving, or women's studies, or whatever, that is their fault.

I would love to see any link backing your claim of " For every student who gets such an enriched life’s experience from being in sports, there are 20 who fail worse on their academics as a result of dedicating enormous amounts of hours to these sports". Because the Univ of Alabama football team has a graduation rate of 86%. Here’s College Football’s Top 25, In Order Of Graduation Rate

There is no link. It is my hunch based on how many hours any student has to spend on a sport. They average at least 4 hours a day from the time they leave their dorm to the time they return, don't you think? Not to mention weekends and travel. It is a ton of time that might have been used for their academic responsibilities. And I am not talking about Division 1 football, I am talking about every sport, every college. Be it swimming or rowing or gymnastics or volleyball or a large number of other sports that are totally bankrolled by the colleges because there is no revenue in them.

Graduation rates mean nothing to me. G.P.A. scores might be of some interest, but you need not pursue that line, I am going on what it takes to belong in a sport. A ton of time.

You don't care if students graduate, you don't care if they get good grades, you just insist they spend that time (a figure you just pulled out of your ass) smoking weed or playing video games because that's what you did and because you harbor an arrested-development bitterness toward your physical superiors. Sorry you got dunked in the urinal by the captain of the football team as a child, but it's time to get over it.

 

[Unkotare]

It should be noted that the great majority of NCAA athletes - even Div.1 - are not on scholarship. They dedicate themselves to hard work, sacrifice, teamwork, perseverance, and commitment in pursuit of excellence. All positive things to instill in a young person. These athletes are often much better at time management than their fellow students who waste countless hours playing video games, getting stoned, or using their crayons to make protest signs about 'safe spaces.' These students employ an indomitable work ethic and embody real school pride. These qualities and habits of character translate very positively (in the great majority of cases) to work, life, family, and country. The bitter, frustrated little Poindexters who never outgrew adolescent resentment often reveal their true colors in threads on this topic.

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[DigitalDrifter]

Reser stadium in Corvallis has a capacity of 45,000. The sell tickets for $25 and up. They use the stadium 6 times a year.

The population of Corvallis is 50,000.

The school makes money on a football franchise which hasn't made a winning season since 1947

That's not true.

 

[WinterBorn]

Not necessarily. There are top schools who have better graduation rates for their athletes than the national average for all colleges.

How long is a scholastic year; about 36 weeks. College football teams are active for 12 weeks regardless. Six of those weeks are usually spent traveling; sometimes out of the state, out of the time zone, and to play a meaningless game against a non-conference opponent just to satisfy some bizarre desire to see popular teams battle one another. This doesn’t count the practices, the scrimmages, the dinners, etc. And then you get a bowl game that saps even more time away from the library.

It is particularly dumb to think that all of these time demands do not draw attention away from academics. And if what you say is true, the demands certainly are not helpful to surpassing that very surprising outcome.

Meanwhile, according to Real Sports, 24 of the athletic programs in DIV 1 make money. Its easy to see why.

When the Univ of Alabama took the field on New Years Eve, for the first round of the playoffs, we broke an NCAA record. 29 members of the team had already earned their degree. I believe 6 of them had earned their Masters.

How many of the players in this "meaningless game" would be unable to afford a top university, without the scholarship they get?

The team also has tutors and study facilities for the athletes. When they travel, they can still study.

Gee, do other students get such lavish personal attention? I guess the football players pay for it though. Oh wait, silly me, they go to school for free.

Walked right into that one

Do other students offer so much of their time to an activity, in which they represent the university in athletic endeavors that pay the school tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of dollars?

Irrelevant. Some students may spend weeks working on a project or even months.

Or is it all about money?

Do other students do, as you posted before? "How long is a scholastic year; about 36 weeks. College football teams are active for 12 weeks regardless. Six of those weeks are usually spent traveling; sometimes out of the state, out of the time zone, and to play a meaningless game against a non-conference opponent just to satisfy some bizarre desire to see popular teams battle one another. This doesn’t count the practices, the scrimmages, the dinners, etc. And then you get a bowl game that saps even more time away from the library."

A regular college student can get a job, often one in which their major helps out. College athletes have very few options for work.

That is their choice. If you change the rules to disallow out of state travel and get rid of bowl games, navy they could get jobs.

Again, what are colleges for?

The typical student athlete is not going to be working on high level engineering projects that will net the school fame and fortune. For many of them, the game is their only ticket.

What are colleges for? The easiest answer is that they are seats of higher learning. But that ignores their value as a social system, as a research facility, as an industry for the surrounding town or city, and as a place where the students gain more than the basics of an education.

Before you destroy an entire segment of sports, based solely on your own views, find out how much money is being actually lost by the schools who do not make a profit.

Then look at the rates of donations by alums when the school's teams are down and when they are winning. Winning can bring a lot to a school.

Here is a paragraph from Forbes magazine concerning the effect Nick Saban (and his winning) has had on the Univ of Alabama. Of course there is the money. But there is more.
"But the money flowing directly from Bryant-Denny Stadium is just the start. If you think that a top college football coach earning seven figures is overpaid, think again. To appreciate just how modest Saban’s $5.3 million salary is, take a wider look around campus. Since 2007, Tuscaloosa has swelled its undergraduate ranks by 33% to over 28,000 students. Faculty count has kept pace: up 400 since 2007 to over 1,700. But it’s more than growth – it’s where the growth is coming from. According to the school, less than a third of the 2007 freshman class of 4,538 students hailed from out of state. By the fall of 2012, more than half (52%) of a freshman class of 6,397 students did. Various data from US News and the New York Times shows that the school’s out-of-state tuition cost – nearly three times higher than the rate for in-state students – rose from $18,000 to $22,950 a year during that period."

Please tell me one thing that could be done that would increase the undergrad ranks by that much (especially the out-of-staters), increase the faculty, and allow the school to raise tuition costs?

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

You need to balance every mens sport with a women's sport. The money makers have to subsidize these sports. In return, potential money making men's sports are disbanded or reduced to club level in order to accommodate women's sports. All in the name of pretending that women are the same as men.

I thought sports taught you something you can't learn in class. I guess only male students are entitled to learn whatever that "something" is?

Who said that?

Bucs 90

He said only males can learn from sports?

No, you said only males should get funding; he said there is some special lesson you get from sports

Never said that. It's one thing for any sport for either gender to be created with sufficient interest and funding but it's another to mandate a less popular and cost-prohibitive sport at the expense of another more popular and cost effective sport, all in the name of gender equality politics.

 

[candycorn]

How long is a scholastic year; about 36 weeks. College football teams are active for 12 weeks regardless. Six of those weeks are usually spent traveling; sometimes out of the state, out of the time zone, and to play a meaningless game against a non-conference opponent just to satisfy some bizarre desire to see popular teams battle one another. This doesn’t count the practices, the scrimmages, the dinners, etc. And then you get a bowl game that saps even more time away from the library.

It is particularly dumb to think that all of these time demands do not draw attention away from academics. And if what you say is true, the demands certainly are not helpful to surpassing that very surprising outcome.

Meanwhile, according to Real Sports, 24 of the athletic programs in DIV 1 make money. Its easy to see why.

When the Univ of Alabama took the field on New Years Eve, for the first round of the playoffs, we broke an NCAA record. 29 members of the team had already earned their degree. I believe 6 of them had earned their Masters.

How many of the players in this "meaningless game" would be unable to afford a top university, without the scholarship they get?

The team also has tutors and study facilities for the athletes. When they travel, they can still study.

Gee, do other students get such lavish personal attention? I guess the football players pay for it though. Oh wait, silly me, they go to school for free.

Walked right into that one

Do other students offer so much of their time to an activity, in which they represent the university in athletic endeavors that pay the school tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of dollars?

Irrelevant. Some students may spend weeks working on a project or even months.

Or is it all about money?

Do other students do, as you posted before? "How long is a scholastic year; about 36 weeks. College football teams are active for 12 weeks regardless. Six of those weeks are usually spent traveling; sometimes out of the state, out of the time zone, and to play a meaningless game against a non-conference opponent just to satisfy some bizarre desire to see popular teams battle one another. This doesn’t count the practices, the scrimmages, the dinners, etc. And then you get a bowl game that saps even more time away from the library."

A regular college student can get a job, often one in which their major helps out. College athletes have very few options for work.

That is their choice. If you change the rules to disallow out of state travel and get rid of bowl games, navy they could get jobs.

Again, what are colleges for?

The typical student athlete is not going to be working on high level engineering projects that will net the school fame and fortune. For many of them, the game is their only ticket.

What are colleges for? The easiest answer is that they are seats of higher learning. But that ignores their value as a social system, as a research facility, as an industry for the surrounding town or city, and as a place where the students gain more than the basics of an education.

Before you destroy an entire segment of sports, based solely on your own views, find out how much money is being actually lost by the schools who do not make a profit.

Then look at the rates of donations by alums when the school's teams are down and when they are winning. Winning can bring a lot to a school.

Here is a paragraph from Forbes magazine concerning the effect Nick Saban (and his winning) has had on the Univ of Alabama. Of course there is the money. But there is more.
"But the money flowing directly from Bryant-Denny Stadium is just the start. If you think that a top college football coach earning seven figures is overpaid, think again. To appreciate just how modest Saban’s $5.3 million salary is, take a wider look around campus. Since 2007, Tuscaloosa has swelled its undergraduate ranks by 33% to over 28,000 students. Faculty count has kept pace: up 400 since 2007 to over 1,700. But it’s more than growth – it’s where the growth is coming from. According to the school, less than a third of the 2007 freshman class of 4,538 students hailed from out of state. By the fall of 2012, more than half (52%) of a freshman class of 6,397 students did. Various data from US News and the New York Times shows that the school’s out-of-state tuition cost – nearly three times higher than the rate for in-state students – rose from $18,000 to $22,950 a year during that period."

Please tell me one thing that could be done that would increase the undergrad ranks by that much (especially the out-of-staters), increase the faculty, and allow the school to raise tuition costs?

As you said, U of A is not typical. Before I address the rest of the post, is U of A public or private?

 

[candycorn]

I thought sports taught you something you can't learn in class. I guess only male students are entitled to learn whatever that "something" is?

Who said that?

Bucs 90

He said only males can learn from sports?

No, you said only males should get funding; he said there is some special lesson you get from sports

Never said that. It's one thing for any sport for either gender to be created with sufficient interest and funding but it's another to mandate a less popular and cost-prohibitive sport at the expense of another more popular and cost effective sport, all in the name of gender equality politics.

So before Title IX, female students at UConn had no interest in basketball but once they opened the gym, boom consecutive National Championships?

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Who said that?

Bucs 90

He said only males can learn from sports?

No, you said only males should get funding; he said there is some special lesson you get from sports

Never said that. It's one thing for any sport for either gender to be created with sufficient interest and funding but it's another to mandate a less popular and cost-prohibitive sport at the expense of another more popular and cost effective sport, all in the name of gender equality politics.

So before Title IX, female students at UConn had no interest in basketball but once they opened the gym, boom consecutive National Championships?

U of CT women's basketball is a perfect example of a failure of Title IX and the dated left wing insistence that social differences between men and women are a result of conditioning and not inherent traits.
Since there are only so many excellent female basketball players to choose from (a result of females generally having less of a natural desire to participate in sports), a team like U of CT can corner the market and create a disparity. The three best teams in women's college basketball right now may just be the first, second and third string at U of CT.
Since males are more naturally prone to play sports, the schools have a larger pool of players to choose from and a naturally occurring parity exists.

 

[WinterBorn]

When the Univ of Alabama took the field on New Years Eve, for the first round of the playoffs, we broke an NCAA record. 29 members of the team had already earned their degree. I believe 6 of them had earned their Masters.

How many of the players in this "meaningless game" would be unable to afford a top university, without the scholarship they get?

The team also has tutors and study facilities for the athletes. When they travel, they can still study.

Gee, do other students get such lavish personal attention? I guess the football players pay for it though. Oh wait, silly me, they go to school for free.

Walked right into that one

Do other students offer so much of their time to an activity, in which they represent the university in athletic endeavors that pay the school tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of dollars?

Irrelevant. Some students may spend weeks working on a project or even months.

Or is it all about money?

Do other students do, as you posted before? "How long is a scholastic year; about 36 weeks. College football teams are active for 12 weeks regardless. Six of those weeks are usually spent traveling; sometimes out of the state, out of the time zone, and to play a meaningless game against a non-conference opponent just to satisfy some bizarre desire to see popular teams battle one another. This doesn’t count the practices, the scrimmages, the dinners, etc. And then you get a bowl game that saps even more time away from the library."

A regular college student can get a job, often one in which their major helps out. College athletes have very few options for work.

That is their choice. If you change the rules to disallow out of state travel and get rid of bowl games, navy they could get jobs.

Again, what are colleges for?

The typical student athlete is not going to be working on high level engineering projects that will net the school fame and fortune. For many of them, the game is their only ticket.

What are colleges for? The easiest answer is that they are seats of higher learning. But that ignores their value as a social system, as a research facility, as an industry for the surrounding town or city, and as a place where the students gain more than the basics of an education.

Before you destroy an entire segment of sports, based solely on your own views, find out how much money is being actually lost by the schools who do not make a profit.

Then look at the rates of donations by alums when the school's teams are down and when they are winning. Winning can bring a lot to a school.

Here is a paragraph from Forbes magazine concerning the effect Nick Saban (and his winning) has had on the Univ of Alabama. Of course there is the money. But there is more.
"But the money flowing directly from Bryant-Denny Stadium is just the start. If you think that a top college football coach earning seven figures is overpaid, think again. To appreciate just how modest Saban’s $5.3 million salary is, take a wider look around campus. Since 2007, Tuscaloosa has swelled its undergraduate ranks by 33% to over 28,000 students. Faculty count has kept pace: up 400 since 2007 to over 1,700. But it’s more than growth – it’s where the growth is coming from. According to the school, less than a third of the 2007 freshman class of 4,538 students hailed from out of state. By the fall of 2012, more than half (52%) of a freshman class of 6,397 students did. Various data from US News and the New York Times shows that the school’s out-of-state tuition cost – nearly three times higher than the rate for in-state students – rose from $18,000 to $22,950 a year during that period."

Please tell me one thing that could be done that would increase the undergrad ranks by that much (especially the out-of-staters), increase the faculty, and allow the school to raise tuition costs?

As you said, U of A is not typical. Before I address the rest of the post, is U of A public or private?

It is a public university.

 

[turzovka]

Not true. It's a numbers game to be sure. If you have a money losing football team (as the overwhelming majority of college football teams do) yes you must give women's sports that many slots to lose money

You need to balance every mens sport with a women's sport. The money makers have to subsidize these sports. In return, potential money making men's sports are disbanded or reduced to club level in order to accommodate women's sports. All in the name of pretending that women are the same as men.

That is a significant part of the problem, but not all. First of all tuitions are scandalous --- they have skyrocketed even worse than the medical industry if that is possible. I cannot say who is to blame but I suspect there are lot of bullshit classes keeping high paid professors employed, there is too much emphasis on image and variety. Who is learning anything valuable going forward these days? Even if they were just liberal bastions, at least get rid of the B.S. and prepare students for decent jobs. It’s just an another wing of bloated government, a curse we cannot cure.

I do not think any student is entitled to sports or band scholarships. We cannot afford the luxury. If these students are paying 25,000 – 50,000 a year to be in college then they can pay $5,000 more to play sports if it’s their fancy. For every student who gets such an enriched life’s experience from being in sports, there are 20 who fail worse on their academics as a result of dedicating enormous amounts of hours to these sports. These sports lose tons of money then the colleges go to their legislatures needing greater funds year after year to run their self-serving monoliths.

Considering the number of professions that require college, you might want to rethink the idea that it is a waste. If the student decides to major in basket weaving, or women's studies, or whatever, that is their fault.

I would love to see any link backing your claim of " For every student who gets such an enriched life’s experience from being in sports, there are 20 who fail worse on their academics as a result of dedicating enormous amounts of hours to these sports". Because the Univ of Alabama football team has a graduation rate of 86%. Here’s College Football’s Top 25, In Order Of Graduation Rate

There is no link. It is my hunch based on how many hours any student has to spend on a sport. They average at least 4 hours a day from the time they leave their dorm to the time they return, don't you think? Not to mention weekends and travel. It is a ton of time that might have been used for their academic responsibilities. And I am not talking about Division 1 football, I am talking about every sport, every college. Be it swimming or rowing or gymnastics or volleyball or a large number of other sports that are totally bankrolled by the colleges because there is no revenue in them.

Graduation rates mean nothing to me. G.P.A. scores might be of some interest, but you need not pursue that line, I am going on what it takes to belong in a sport. A ton of time.

You don't care if students graduate, you don't care if they get good grades, you just insist they spend that time (a figure you just pulled out of your ass) smoking weed or playing video games because that's what you did and because you harbor an arrested-development bitterness toward your physical superiors. Sorry you got dunked in the urinal by the captain of the football team as a child, but it's time to get over it.

I hope you got a laugh out of that post.
Not sure if there was any other value attached to it.

 

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In 41 of the 50 States, the College Football coach was the highest paid state employee.

This is the biggest problem we face in America today, second only to women's pay.

 

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Gee, do other students get such lavish personal attention? I guess the football players pay for it though. Oh wait, silly me, they go to school for free.

Walked right into that one

Do other students offer so much of their time to an activity, in which they represent the university in athletic endeavors that pay the school tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of dollars?

Irrelevant. Some students may spend weeks working on a project or even months.

Or is it all about money?

Do other students do, as you posted before? "How long is a scholastic year; about 36 weeks. College football teams are active for 12 weeks regardless. Six of those weeks are usually spent traveling; sometimes out of the state, out of the time zone, and to play a meaningless game against a non-conference opponent just to satisfy some bizarre desire to see popular teams battle one another. This doesn’t count the practices, the scrimmages, the dinners, etc. And then you get a bowl game that saps even more time away from the library."

A regular college student can get a job, often one in which their major helps out. College athletes have very few options for work.

That is their choice. If you change the rules to disallow out of state travel and get rid of bowl games, navy they could get jobs.

Again, what are colleges for?

The typical student athlete is not going to be working on high level engineering projects that will net the school fame and fortune. For many of them, the game is their only ticket.

What are colleges for? The easiest answer is that they are seats of higher learning. But that ignores their value as a social system, as a research facility, as an industry for the surrounding town or city, and as a place where the students gain more than the basics of an education.

Before you destroy an entire segment of sports, based solely on your own views, find out how much money is being actually lost by the schools who do not make a profit.

Then look at the rates of donations by alums when the school's teams are down and when they are winning. Winning can bring a lot to a school.

Here is a paragraph from Forbes magazine concerning the effect Nick Saban (and his winning) has had on the Univ of Alabama. Of course there is the money. But there is more.
"But the money flowing directly from Bryant-Denny Stadium is just the start. If you think that a top college football coach earning seven figures is overpaid, think again. To appreciate just how modest Saban’s $5.3 million salary is, take a wider look around campus. Since 2007, Tuscaloosa has swelled its undergraduate ranks by 33% to over 28,000 students. Faculty count has kept pace: up 400 since 2007 to over 1,700. But it’s more than growth – it’s where the growth is coming from. According to the school, less than a third of the 2007 freshman class of 4,538 students hailed from out of state. By the fall of 2012, more than half (52%) of a freshman class of 6,397 students did. Various data from US News and the New York Times shows that the school’s out-of-state tuition cost – nearly three times higher than the rate for in-state students – rose from $18,000 to $22,950 a year during that period."

Please tell me one thing that could be done that would increase the undergrad ranks by that much (especially the out-of-staters), increase the faculty, and allow the school to raise tuition costs?

As you said, U of A is not typical. Before I address the rest of the post, is U of A public or private?

It is a public university.

I have no problem with any private university doing whatever it wants. Public though is a different matter. I imagine the counter argument is that there are poor minorities in urban ghettoes that only have one way out and that is to play collegiate athletics. Bullcrap. They have other avenues out that involve hitting the books, the military, etc…

 

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Bucs 90

He said only males can learn from sports?

No, you said only males should get funding; he said there is some special lesson you get from sports

Never said that. It's one thing for any sport for either gender to be created with sufficient interest and funding but it's another to mandate a less popular and cost-prohibitive sport at the expense of another more popular and cost effective sport, all in the name of gender equality politics.

So before Title IX, female students at UConn had no interest in basketball but once they opened the gym, boom consecutive National Championships?

U of CT women's basketball is a perfect example of a failure of Title IX and the dated left wing insistence that social differences between men and women are a result of conditioning and not inherent traits.
Since there are only so many excellent female basketball players to choose from (a result of females generally having less of a natural desire to participate in sports), a team like U of CT can corner the market and create a disparity. The three best teams in women's college basketball right now may just be the first, second and third string at U of CT.
Since males are more naturally prone to play sports, the schools have a larger pool of players to choose from and a naturally occurring parity exists.

Good job avoiding the point all together.

You’re saying women have no interest yet, once the gym was unlocked…poof, multiple national championships. Explain where the interest came from please.

 

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In 41 of the 50 States, the College Football coach was the highest paid state employee.

This is the biggest problem we face in America today, second only to women's pay.

Misplaced priorities are; not sure if the spending on college athletics in and of itself is.

My point is this; if you’re a private school, do whatever you want. If you’re a public school, have athletics if you think it is important but do you have to travel from Louisiana to Florida to get it’s value? Do you need a marching band to travel with you? Do you need to pay offensive and defensive line coaches? Hotels for 100 players, 50 band members, coaches, execs, etc…

Your tax dollars at play.