2024 Antarctic sea ice winter maximum second lowest on record

[ReinyDays]

Evidently you did not see where I stated that what I did give as "an example" of what is in the AMZ report was a tiny, tiny, tiny part of the report

Nonetheless and since you did NOT BOTHER to read or find in the report about CO2, I looked it for you. I did not like the HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW part of your post as it is more of an insult than a debate response.

As such, here it is from the report itself, the CO2 comment:

Earth’s greenhouse gas concentrations were the highest on record. Carbon dioxide, methane and nitrous oxide — Earth’s major atmospheric greenhouse gases — once again reached record high concentrations in 2023. Annual growth in global mean CO2 has increased from 0.6±0.1 parts per million (ppm) per year in the early 1960s to an average of 2.5 ppm per year during the last decade of 2014–23.

Let me give you your debasing comment back at you:

HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW........

I've never disagreed about global warming ... my claim is that it's not enough to change climate ... 1ºC doesn't change weather, so it doesn't change climate ... SB and the IPCC only see another 1ºC warming over the next century ... that won't change climate either ...

For the "record" ... record high temperatures were set during the Permian ... 20ºC higher than today ...

 

[ReinyDays]

Thanks for the advice. You are giving me good advice over and over again. Having said that, repetitive advice of the same kind gets useless because at some point it becomes senseless and even insultative. As you know, I do have a guideline I follow religiously, which is to put on ignore those that insult, debase or waste my time. Repetitive advice is time wasteful and the "the run along and play with the other little children" comment is debasing.

So this post is a warning that any more of this, you will gain the award of being put on my ignore list.

Take this warning anyway you like. At this point, you have lost most of my interest to begin with and I have no problem not seeing any posts from you anymore. I truly believe that debasement of people and repetitive statements meant to convince vocally (not through presentation of new (or further) data, statistics, and facts - if the first given are not convincing enough)is a waste of time.

Your call

If you don't have any knowledge ... and you don't want to learn ... then you're just being a shrill ... there's no reason to post your opinion about subjects you know nothing about ... I get you're entitled to strong opinions, you just can't back them up ... there's no convincing you if you choose to be ignorant ... I'm fighting the fake news and lies you're spewing ... you ate puke and now you're vomiting it back up ...

... with your god AI ... can't even think for yourself anymore ...

 

[Luckyone]

I've never disagreed about global warming ... my claim is that it's not enough to change climate ... 1ºC doesn't change weather, so it doesn't change climate ... SB and the IPCC only see another 1ºC warming over the next century ... that won't change climate either ...

For the "record" ... record high temperatures were set during the Permian ... 20ºC higher than today ...

I certainly understand that you have a right to your beliefs and that I have no power (or desire) to change them. I am not here for my personal ego but to present data, statistics and facts. If they do not have any effect on you, or you choose to believe your sources (Steve Boltzman), that is your right to do so.

I believe differently, based on the research I have done. That too, is my right (to believe what I choose to believe).

I am in this board to debate but not to convince anyone. No one (except perhaps people like Trump) have that ability. As such, I present information and accept the same back. If that information is not sufficient, I present more and new information (as I did today with the ASM report that as of yesterday, I was unaware of). If that doesn't work and you also present new and different information (the Steve Boltzman info was not convincing enough for me), then we can continue to debate.

Nonetheless, if debate is not what you are willing to do, I have no interest in continuing our convesations.

 

[Luckyone]

If you don't have any knowledge ... and you don't want to learn ... then you're just being a shrill ... there's no reason to post your opinion about subjects you know nothing about ... I get you're entitled to strong opinions, you just can't back them up ... there's no convincing you if you choose to be ignorant ... I'm fighting the fake news and lies you're spewing ... you ate puke and now you're vomiting it back up ...

... with your god AI ... can't even think for yourself anymore ...

and yet you yourself are quoting someone else (Steve Boltzman), meaning that you personally have not studied Climate change either. You too (personally),do not know anything about the subjects you know nothing about.

Afar as your statement about Fake News, you are wrong. Wrong from the point of view that you cannot call Fake what 2780 scientists and over 3000 studies say. There is nothing fake there. All I did is provide the information as it exists. Whether you disagree or not with the information given is your choice but you cannot accuse me of presenting Fake News because the News is THERE and so are the scientists and studies there as well.

This post has edged you closer to being ignored by me. What your posts say is very debasing and insultative and it is also pure lies.

 

[ReinyDays]

... or you choose to believe your sources (Steve Boltzman), that is your right to do so ....

HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW ...

... and you believe your god AI ... pathetic ...

 

[westwall]

Great post ... thank you ...

One small point ... even if climate change was completely refuted ... climatologists would still have a job studying climate ... this Red Herring is sending meteorologists up into the polar regions for long-overdue research there ... and this will be returned as a better understanding ... better forecasting and fewer lost lives ...

Second point is the IPCC Report isn't peer-reviewed ... nor does it include any dissenting opinions ... profoundly non-scientific ... I have been keeping up with the scientific media, which is peer-reviewed ... and these climatologists don't even try to back up the claims in the commercial and political media ...

I read a bit of Dr Hanson's textbook on climatology ... he only included a small footnote about CO2's roll in climate ... he had to include math, and the math says CO2 doesn't change climate ... so Dr Hanson can't claim it does and still get published by a scientific publishing house ... or sell textbooks to universities ...

It's been called "pal review" for decades.

Hell, Trenberth declared his experiments didn't need to be repeatable.

That's a violation of the scientific method.

These people are charlatans.

 

[westwall]

Evidently you did not see where I stated that what I did give as "an example" of what is in the AMZ report was a tiny, tiny, tiny part of the report

Nonetheless and since you did NOT BOTHER to read or find in the report about CO2, I looked it for you. I did not like the HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW part of your post as it is more of an insult than a debate response.

As such, here it is from the report itself, the CO2 comment:

Earth’s greenhouse gas concentrations were the highest on record. Carbon dioxide, methane and nitrous oxide — Earth’s major atmospheric greenhouse gases — once again reached record high concentrations in 2023. Annual growth in global mean CO2 has increased from 0.6±0.1 parts per million (ppm) per year in the early 1960s to an average of 2.5 ppm per year during the last decade of 2014–23.

Let me give you your debasing comment back at you:

HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW........

So what. Compared to when? We know that when most life evolved on Earth the CO2 levels were around 7000ppm. Far higher than today.

 

[ReinyDays]

So what. Compared to when? We know that when most life evolved on Earth the CO2 levels were around 7000ppm. Far higher than today.

The first half of life on Earth ... the atmosphere was 96% CO2 ...

 

[Luckyone]

HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW ...

... and you believe your god AI ... pathetic ...

You truly are a stupid person. With this comment (which is an unnecessary insult and debasement which you already stated once before), You have earned your way into my ignore list.

You being on my ignore list means that your comments will no longer be seen by me, meaning that you cannot continue to communicate your opinions of me to me. In simple words, you have lost a target.

Losing anything that you gain pleasure in is totally stupid. Nonetheless, with this comment you have shown your total stupidity and any communication with stupid people is stupid and I do not consider myself to be in that category.

I wish you the best in finding someone like me on this board that you use your insultative/debassing words on. I am now gone

 

[ding]

Here is the link to the PDF documents for the 2023 American Meteorologist Society evaluation of Climate Change.

It is an IMPRESSIVE document with every possible study results made available to all of us. It goes into extreme details to show what is happening and end result of this document is that we are having a game changing Global Warming event that is man-made.

Here is a tiny, tiny, tiny piece of the report. Notice the word "record"

The year 2023 was marked by the highest global mean surface temperature on record, exceeding the previous record-high year (2016) by a large margin of 0.13°C to 0.17°C, according toa range of scientific analyses presented in this report. This record high was evident in many other global climate indicators (Plate 1.1; Chapter 2, Global Climate). For example, humid-heat indices, which are relevant to human comfort and safety in ambient air temperature and humidity, were also record high in 2023, with humid-heat intensity (anomaly of maximum daily wet-bulb temperature) having doubled the value from the previous record year (1998). Sidebars 2.1, 3.1, and5.2 detail the extreme heat observed across the globe in 2023 and its impacts across land, ocean, and ice-covered regions.

And here is what the planet has been doing for the last 3 million years. Do you see a trend here?

 

[westwall]

The first half of life on Earth ... the atmosphere was 96% CO2 ...

More than half actually, but that's comparing apples to elephants.

Most mammalian life evolved during the PETM, CO2 levels were much higher.

 

[Luckyone]

And here is what the planet has been doing for the last 3 million years. Do you see a trend here?

I have decided that I am not going to discuss this issue anymore. I am going to leave it to the people in power to do (or not do) anything. Neither you nor I are climate experts and you showing that video is senseless because neither of us can interpret what that means. The only thing I can say is that for the FIRST TIME EVER, humanity itself is the cause presently for Global warming. Whether the planet can adjust for that is a guess for everyone but that is the question. Such a question cannot be thrown away easily by you or anyone else because if your evaluation is incorrect, humanity could die or be catastrophically reduced.

This means that this situation needs to be approached with the idea that prevention of any possible bad outcome is the only choice and needs to be done................and NOT IGNORED because if ignored the consequences are dire.

Having said that, I will not longer respond to your posts on this thread. Believe whatever you want to believe but I choose to believe what I want to believe for the simple reason that "we have nothing to lose by using prevention (even if you are correct) than taking the chance that the 2780 scientists and 3000 studies done are correct.

Green energy is the solution. Fossil fuels should be thrown out or at least controlled for the amount used.

Oh and by the way, here is a fact you cannot dismiss

AI Overview

According to recent data, around 145 countries have either announced or are considering net-zero emission targets, which would involve controlling fossil fuel use, covering roughly 90% of global emissions; this includes major emitters like China, the EU, the US, and India.

This means that the governments of around 145 nations have decided that Global Warming is a problem and that is man-made. This means that your opinion is not going to change their views, beliefs, and knowledge about the problem.

I will believe them before I believe you

Anyhow, bye to the communication between us on this subject. It is a closed issue now

 

[Leo123]

I have decided that I am not going to discuss this issue anymore. I am going to leave it to the people in power to do (or not do) anything. Neither you nor I are climate experts and you showing that video is senseless because neither of us can interpret what that means. The only thing I can say is that for the FIRST TIME EVER, humanity itself is the cause presently for Global warming. Whether the planet can adjust for that is a guess for everyone but that is the question. Such a question cannot be thrown away easily by you or anyone else because if your evaluation is incorrect, humanity could die or be catastrophically reduced.

This means that this situation needs to be approached with the idea that prevention of any possible bad outcome is the only choice and needs to be done................and NOT IGNORED because if ignored the consequences are dire.

Having said that, I will not longer respond to your posts on this thread. Believe whatever you want to believe but I choose to believe what I want to believe for the simple reason that "we have nothing to lose by using prevention (even if you are correct) than taking the chance that the 2780 scientists and 3000 studies done are correct.

Green energy is the solution. Fossil fuels should be thrown out or at least controlled for the amount used.

Oh and by the way, here is a fact you cannot dismiss

AI Overview

According to recent data, around 145 countries have either announced or are considering net-zero emission targets, which would involve controlling fossil fuel use, covering roughly 90% of global emissions; this includes major emitters like China, the EU, the US, and India.

This means that the governments of around 145 nations have decided that Global Warming is a problem and that is man-made. This means that your opinion is not going to change their views, beliefs, and knowledge about the problem.

I will believe them before I believe you

Anyhow, bye to the communication between us on this subject. It is a closed issue now

Why do losers always make such long posts?

 

[westwall]

Why do losers always make such long posts?

Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

 

[ReinyDays]

Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

Can you believe he's here bragging about putting me on ignore ... pure cowardice ... one of the worst anti-science IDiots we've seen since SSDD started posting under his sock ...

Someone quote me so he has to read this ...

 

[ding]

The only thing I can say is that for the FIRST TIME EVER, humanity itself is the cause presently for Global warming.

But it's not. When the northern hemisphere deglaciates, the oceans and the atmosphere warm. The planet's climate is driven by the ocean, not the atmosphere. The ocean is 300 times the mass of the atmosphere and contains 1000 times the heat of the atmosphere. It's how the ocean distributes that heat which determines if the northern hemisphere is glaciating or deglaciating. And if the northern hemisphere is glaciating, the planet cools. And if the northern hemisphere is deglaciating - like today - then the planet warms.

 

[ding]

I have decided that I am not going to discuss this issue anymore.

That's a wise decision.

 

[Luckyone]

But it's not. When the northern hemisphere deglaciates, the oceans and the atmosphere warm. The planet's climate is driven by the ocean, not the atmosphere. The ocean is 300 times the mass of the atmosphere and contains 1000 times the heat of the atmosphere. It's how the ocean distributes that heat which determines if the northern hemisphere is glaciating or deglaciating. And if the northern hemisphere is glaciating, the planet cools. And if the northern hemisphere is deglaciating - like today - then the planet warms.

 

[westwall]

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Water vapor. You know....CLOUDS. If you're going to post a picture up as a "gotcha"..at least have the good sense to research what the picture is.

 

[Leo123]

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Steam? Is that really a threat?