2016 Arctic sea ice thread

[Old Rocks]

jc, you are really a dumb sad fuck. The king tides have been higher every decade. And will continue to be higher every decade until many areas presently inhabited will have to be abandoned.

 

[Olde Europe]

Do you deny the EU scientific ruling that water does not prevent dehydration? They did. Per your link:
"The claimed effect is “regular consumption of significant amounts of water can reduce the risk of development of dehydration and of concomitant decrease of performance”. The target population is assumed to be the general population. Dehydration is a condition of body water depletion. The proposed risk factors are measures of water depletion and thus are measures of the disease. The proposed claim does not comply with the requirements for a disease risk reduction claim pursuant to Article 14 of Regulation (EC) No 1924/2006."

I see. Rather than educating yourself, doing some reading aiming at understanding the content with which you've been generously provided, you'd rather repeat the daft claim you've been shown to be daft.

Article 14

Reduction of disease risk claims

1. Notwithstanding Article 2(1)(b) of Directive 2000/13/EC, reduction of disease risk claims may be made where they have been authorised in accordance with the procedure laid down in Articles 15 to 18 of this Regulation for inclusion in a Community list of such permitted claims together with all the necessary conditions for the use of these claims.

2. In addition to the general requirements laid down in this Regulation and the specific requirements of paragraph 1, for reduction of disease risk claims the labelling or, if no such labelling exists, the presentation or advertising shall also bear a statement indicating that the disease to which the claim is referring has multiple risk factors and that altering one of these risk factors may or may not have a beneficial effect.​

So, since dehydration may be caused by factors other than insufficient consumption of water, and this is not being pointed out, the claim is not in compliance with article 14, as detailed above.

You may now resume regurgitating the daft. Please proceed.

 

[Old Rocks]

Do you deny the EU scientific ruling that water does not prevent dehydration? They did. Per your link:
"The claimed effect is “regular consumption of significant amounts of water can reduce the risk of development of dehydration and of concomitant decrease of performance”. The target population is assumed to be the general population. Dehydration is a condition of body water depletion. The proposed risk factors are measures of water depletion and thus are measures of the disease. The proposed claim does not comply with the requirements for a disease risk reduction claim pursuant to Article 14 of Regulation (EC) No 1924/2006."

I see. Rather than educating yourself, doing some reading aiming at understanding the content with which you've been generously provided, you'd rather repeat the daft claim you've been shown to be daft.

Article 14

Reduction of disease risk claims

1. Notwithstanding Article 2(1)(b) of Directive 2000/13/EC, reduction of disease risk claims may be made where they have been authorised in accordance with the procedure laid down in Articles 15 to 18 of this Regulation for inclusion in a Community list of such permitted claims together with all the necessary conditions for the use of these claims.

2. In addition to the general requirements laid down in this Regulation and the specific requirements of paragraph 1, for reduction of disease risk claims the labelling or, if no such labelling exists, the presentation or advertising shall also bear a statement indicating that the disease to which the claim is referring has multiple risk factors and that altering one of these risk factors may or may not have a beneficial effect.​

So, since dehydration may be caused by factors other than insufficient consumption of water, and this is not being pointed out, the claim is not in compliance with article 14, as detailed above.

You may now resume regurgitating the daft. Please proceed.

And that poster will continue to make that stupid claim, no matter what evidence is presented.

 

[jc456]

jc, you are really a dumb sad fuck. The king tides have been higher every decade. And will continue to be higher every decade until many areas presently inhabited will have to be abandoned.

So the answer is no that water retreated and it did so because it was a storm that supplied that water and not ice melt to sea level. Tsk tsk that makes you a liar.

 

[flacaltenn]

jc, you are really a dumb sad fuck. The king tides have been higher every decade. And will continue to be higher every decade until many areas presently inhabited will have to be abandoned.

How far do we have to reduce man-caused CO2 emissions to make them go back down again??

 

[LaDexter]

The king tides have been higher every decade. And will continue to be higher every decade until many areas presently inhabited will have to be abandoned.

LOL!!

The only islands "sinking" are right on the lip of the Pacific Ring of Fire = FRAUD regarding sea level "rise"

 

[Old Rocks]

jc, you are really a dumb sad fuck. The king tides have been higher every decade. And will continue to be higher every decade until many areas presently inhabited will have to be abandoned.

How far do we have to reduce man-caused CO2 emissions to make them go back down again??

Now that is an exceptionly stupid question. You know damned well that the sea level is not going to stabalize even in our grandchildren's lifetime. Given the time of residence of the GHGs in the atmosphere, what we can hope to do is prevent a much worse situation.

 

[LaDexter]

Sea level is dropping because 90% of Earth ice on Antarctica has added at least 80 billion tons of ice every year since Algore started the warming FRAUD...

 

[flacaltenn]

jc, you are really a dumb sad fuck. The king tides have been higher every decade. And will continue to be higher every decade until many areas presently inhabited will have to be abandoned.

How far do we have to reduce man-caused CO2 emissions to make them go back down again??

Now that is an exceptionly stupid question. You know damned well that the sea level is not going to stabalize even in our grandchildren's lifetime. Given the time of residence of the GHGs in the atmosphere, what we can hope to do is prevent a much worse situation.

So there is NO amount of CO2 reduction that would cause the sea to fall? Not a stupid question. Certainly many of the same apocalyptic "accelerations" apply in reverse,. Not all -- but many. Seas get colder -- sink MORE CO2 for instance. Has no one done the calculation for neutral sea level rise? Got to be one..

Because OVER 50% of the CURRENT sea level rise is NOT "more water". It's thermal expansion and geo adjustments. Very LITTLE "extra water" being part of it.

Interesting how all those graphs of CO2 vs temperature got real rare lately. Because it's actually embarrassing to argue that CO2 is directly correlated to Temperature, year by year, WITHOUT DELAYS and integration of storage --- and at the same time talk about the long term "enviro sensitivities" that linger for 100s of years. If that were true -- then we should ALREADY be seeing mighty ACCELERATIONS in the warming AND SLR as we put more of our 2.5% carbon cycle contribution into the air..

 

[LaDexter]

CO2 has nothing to do with sea level. Tectonics does it. If Earth has two polar oceans, then Earth has NO ICE...

 

[Weatherman2020]

Here is a very good map of sea level change in the US and Europe.

Sea Level Trends - NOAA Tides and Currents

Thanks for the link!

Why does Sea Level change over time?

There are a number of factors that contribute to long and short-term variations in sea level. Short-term variations generally occur on a daily basis and include waves, tides, or specific flood events, such as those associated with a winter snow melt, or hurricane or other coastal storm. Long-term variations in sea level occur over various time scales, from monthly to several years, and may be repeatable cycles, gradual trends, or intermittent anomalies. Seasonal weather patterns, variations in the Earth's declination, changes in coastal and ocean circulation, anthropogenic influences (such as dredging), vertical land motion, and the El Niño Southern Oscillation are just a few of the many factors influencing changes in sea level over time. When estimating sea level trends, a minimum of 30 years of data are used in order to account for long-term sea level variations and reduce errors in computing sea level trends based on monthly mean sea level. Accounting for repeatable, predictable cycles, such as tidal, seasonal, and interannual variations allows computation of a more accurate long-term sea level trend.

What's funny is NOAA says nothing about rising oceans as a reason sea levels change.
Must have been an oversight.

 

[ScienceRocks]

We're still slightly ahead of 2012
VIsualization Service of Horizontal scale Observations at Polar region

 

[Billy_Bob]

Sea Ice coverage 15% in the Arctic has regained the 2STD region. Melt has flat lined in the Arctic with the cold ocean flows that have returned... Looking for major Ice build up in the Arctic this year. Many regions are now gaining ice mass due to low temperatures and significantly reduced melt.

Mother nature kicks alarmists in the teeth.... CO2 isn't driving anything!

 

[Crick]

Sea Ice coverage 15% in the Arctic has regained the 2STD region. Melt has flat lined in the Arctic with the cold ocean flows that have returned... Looking for major Ice build up in the Arctic this year. Many regions are now gaining ice mass due to low temperatures and significantly reduced melt.

Mother nature kicks alarmists in the teeth.... CO2 isn't driving anything!

Your tied with the all time record low and think this points to ice growth. Do yourself a favor and stay out of the stock market.

 

[RollingThunder]

From Reading University climate scientist Ed Hawkins...

"Meanwhile, in the Arctic, sea ice volume is at a record low for the time of year according to PIOMAS."


Touch the center to view the spiraling progression over the years.

 

[jc456]

From Reading University climate scientist Ed Hawkins...

"Meanwhile, in the Arctic, sea ice volume is at a record low for the time of year according to PIOMAS."


Touch the center to view the spiraling progression over the years.

LOL

 

[RollingThunder]

From Reading University climate scientist Ed Hawkins...

"Meanwhile, in the Arctic, sea ice volume is at a record low for the time of year according to PIOMAS."


Touch the center to view the downward spiraling progression over the years.

LOL

Too bad you're incapable of comprehending any of this, JustCrazy, but go ahead and laugh at all the facts you want to deny....they will still bitch slap you very soon.

This year will will almost certainly see the Arctic sea ice reach a new record low extent and volume in September. This year may see something close to an ice free Arctic. This in turn will cause weather abnormalities and extremes across the entire Northern Hemisphere.

 

[Old Rocks]

Here is a very good map of sea level change in the US and Europe.

Sea Level Trends - NOAA Tides and Currents

Thanks for the link!

Why does Sea Level change over time?

There are a number of factors that contribute to long and short-term variations in sea level. Short-term variations generally occur on a daily basis and include waves, tides, or specific flood events, such as those associated with a winter snow melt, or hurricane or other coastal storm. Long-term variations in sea level occur over various time scales, from monthly to several years, and may be repeatable cycles, gradual trends, or intermittent anomalies. Seasonal weather patterns, variations in the Earth's declination, changes in coastal and ocean circulation, anthropogenic influences (such as dredging), vertical land motion, and the El Niño Southern Oscillation are just a few of the many factors influencing changes in sea level over time. When estimating sea level trends, a minimum of 30 years of data are used in order to account for long-term sea level variations and reduce errors in computing sea level trends based on monthly mean sea level. Accounting for repeatable, predictable cycles, such as tidal, seasonal, and interannual variations allows computation of a more accurate long-term sea level trend.

What's funny is NOAA says nothing about rising oceans as a reason sea levels change.
Must have been an oversight.

Is sea level rising?

There is strong evidence that global sea level is now rising at an increased rate and will continue to rise during this century.

While studies show that sea levels changed little from AD 0 until 1900, sea levels began to climb in the 20th century.

The two major causes of global sea-level rise are thermal expansion caused by the warming of the oceans (since water expands as it warms) and the loss of land-based ice (such as glaciers) due to increased melting.

Records and research show that sea level has been steadily rising at a rate of 0.04 to 0.1 inches per year since 1900. Since 1992, new methods of satellite altimetry (the measurement of elevation or altitude) indicate a rate of rise of 0.12 inches per year. This is a significantly larger rate than the sea-level rise averaged over the last several thousand years.

Or maybe you would rather lie and admit you are wrong.

 

[LaDexter]

All you need to know about "sea level rise" is that the warmers have no real sea level rise, which is why they are deceitfully trying to peddle islands on the lip of the Pacific Ring of Fire as sinking from sea level rise, when in reality they are sinking because the tectonic plate to which they are attached is being pushed under the adjacent plate.

FRAUD

 

[RollingThunder]

All you need to know about "sea level rise" is that the warmers have no real sea level rise, which is why they are deceitfully trying to peddle islands on the lip of the Pacific Ring of Fire as sinking from sea level rise, when in reality they are sinking because the tectonic plate to which they are attached is being pushed under the adjacent plate.

FRAUD

There is some more of LaDumbshit's usual deranged, anti-science bullshit with no connection to reality. Sea levels are rising all around the world, threatening coastal cities and infrastructure, aquifers and agriculture, many islands, and numerous historical treasures.

In the real world....

Sea Level Rise
National Geographic
(excerpts)
Scientific research indicates sea levels worldwide have been rising at a rate of 0.14 inches (3.5 millimeters) per year since the early 1990s. The trend, linked to global warming, puts thousands of coastal cities and even whole islands at risk of being claimed by the ocean. Core samples, tide gauge readings, and, most recently, satellite measurements tell us that over the past century, the Global Mean Sea Level (GMSL) has risen by 4 to 8 inches (10 to 20 centimeters). However, the annual rate of rise over the past 20 years has been 0.13 inches (3.2 millimeters) a year, roughly twice the average speed of the preceding 80 years. Over the past century, the burning of fossil fuels and other human and natural activities has released enormous amounts of heat-trapping gases into the atmosphere. These emissions have caused the Earth's surface temperature to rise, and the oceans absorb about 80 percent of this additional heat.

The rise in sea levels is linked to three primary factors, all induced by this ongoing global climate change: Thermal expansion: When water heats up, it expands. About half of the past century's rise in sea level is attributable to warmer oceans simply occupying more space; Melting of glaciers and polar ice caps: Large ice formations, like glaciers and the polar ice caps, naturally melt back a bit each summer. But in the winter, snows, made primarily from evaporated seawater, are generally sufficient to balance out the melting. Recently, though, persistently higher temperatures caused by global warming have led to greater-than-average summer melting as well as diminished snowfall due to later winters and earlier springs. This imbalance results in a significant net gain in runoff versus evaporation for the ocean, causing sea levels to rise; Ice loss from Greenland and West Antarctica: As with glaciers and the ice caps, increased heat is causing the massive ice sheets that cover Greenland and Antarctica to melt at an accelerated pace. Scientists also believe meltwater from above and seawater from below is seeping beneath Greenland's and West Antarctica's ice sheets, effectively lubricating ice streams and causing them to move more quickly into the sea. Moreover, higher sea temperatures are causing the massive ice shelves that extend out from Antarctica to melt from below, weaken, and break off.

Consequences - When sea levels rise rapidly, as they have been doing, even a small increase can have devastating effects on coastal habitats. As seawater reaches farther inland, it can cause destructive erosion, flooding of wetlands, contamination of aquifers and agricultural soils, and lost habitat for fish, birds, and plants. When large storms hit land, higher sea levels mean bigger, more powerful storm surges that can strip away everything in their path. In addition, hundreds of millions of people live in areas that will become increasingly vulnerable to flooding. Higher sea levels would force them to abandon their homes and relocate. Low-lying islands could be submerged completely. How High Will It Go? - Most predictions say the warming of the planet will continue and likely will accelerate. Oceans will likely continue to rise as well, but predicting the amount is an inexact science. A recent study says we can expect the oceans to rise between 2.5 and 6.5 feet (0.8 and 2 meters) by 2100, enough to swamp many of the cities along the U.S. East Coast. More dire estimates, including a complete meltdown of the Greenland ice sheet, push sea level rise to 23 feet (7 meters), enough to submerge London.