2013 sea ice thread!!!

[Kosh]

CO2 does NOT drive climate.

And if Bachman said it it must be true. What an idiot you both are.

Simple experiment you can do to test this, place a plastic bag over your head and breathe normally. As you deplete the air and replace it with CO2 does it feel warmer? ...Oh ya, and make sure you tell someone you're gonna do this. World needs its idiots to make everyone else look good by comparison.

No other scientist have said this an the ice core samples from real science shows that CO2 does NOT nor has ever driven climate.

Do try and keep up unless the AGW church doctrine is all that you will believe without question or hesitation.

 

[polarbear]

we're at the same level as 2010 in thickness...

there's a huge variable of natural forcing's on the arctic sea ice.

wrong!

That graph you posted came originally from here:
Polar Science Center » Arctic Sea Ice Volume Anomaly, version 2

And it`s just an "improved" model forecast, an estimate, published 2 years ago ! "Version2" because the previous version bombed out just like this one already did also.

PIOMAS is a numerical model with components for sea ice and ocean and the capacity for assimilating some kinds of observations.

this time series of ice volume is generated with an updated version of PIOMAS (June-15,2011). This updated version improves on prior versions by assimilating sea surface temperatures (SST) for ice-free areas and by using a different parameterization for the strength of the ice. Comparisons of PIOMAS estimates with ice thickness observations show reduced errors over the prior version

So what`s the idea trying to pass this off as a fact:"we`re at the same level as 2010 in thickness" ???

Skeptics aren`t as dumb as the brain dead AGW idiots, we research and separate fact from fiction. So what made you think you would get away with that scam ?

I`m getting a bit tired being called a "denier" by people who deny reality and base their "reality" on sheep head consensus which in turn is supposed to legitimize crap like these "updated forecast estimates"

 

[polarbear]

CO2 does NOT drive climate.

And if Bachman said it it must be true. What an idiot you both are.

Simple experiment you can do to test this, place a plastic bag over your head and breathe normally. As you deplete the air and replace it with CO2 does it feel warmer? ...Oh ya, and make sure you tell someone you're gonna do this. World needs its idiots to make everyone else look good by comparison.

Does it? I guess you would know!...how to get high if you haven`t got any wacko-tobacco
That`s how somebody who makes his living giving blow jobs would "explain" it.
And you fit the bill !

 

[hunarcy]

Don't even have to know how to read to know there's melting going on,

greenland ice melt before and after - Google Search

thus I provide this for the 'it isn't happening' crowd. No reading required, I know you're not big fans of that book learnin'.

Why not prove it's man made and not part of a natural cycle?

 

[itfitzme]

CO2 does NOT drive climate.

Of course it does.

 

[Kosh]

CO2 does NOT drive climate.

Of course it does.

Ok then post the datasets with source code that prove it.

 

[itfitzme]

we're at the same level as 2010 in thickness...

there's a huge variable of natural forcing's on the arctic sea ice.

wrong!

That graph you posted came originally from here:
Polar Science Center » Arctic Sea Ice Volume Anomaly, version 2

And it`s just an "improved" model forecast, an estimate, published 2 years ago ! "Version2" because the previous version bombed out just like this one already did also.

PIOMAS is a numerical model with components for sea ice and ocean and the capacity for assimilating some kinds of observations.

this time series of ice volume is generated with an updated version of PIOMAS (June-15,2011). This updated version improves on prior versions by assimilating sea surface temperatures (SST) for ice-free areas and by using a different parameterization for the strength of the ice. Comparisons of PIOMAS estimates with ice thickness observations show reduced errors over the prior version

So what`s the idea trying to pass this off as a fact:"we`re at the same level as 2010 in thickness" ???

Skeptics aren`t as dumb as the brain dead AGW idiots, we research and separate fact from fiction. So what made you think you would get away with that scam ?

I`m getting a bit tired being called a "denier" by people who deny reality and base their "reality" on sheep head consensus which in turn is supposed to legitimize crap like these "updated forecast estimates"

Yeah, cuz this is so much easier to read the raw data,

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Why would anyone want to calculate data, that can be plotted, from these;

NSIDC-0050 Arctic and Antarctic Research Institute (AARI) 10-Day Arctic Ocean EASE-Grid Sea Ice Observations
G00799 Arctic and Southern Ocean Sea Ice Concentration
G01938 Arctic Climatology Project - EWG Arctic Meteorology and Climate Atlas
G01358 Arctic Ocean Drift tracks from Ships, Buoys and Manned Research Stations
G02139 AWI Moored ULS Data, Greenland Sea and Fram Strait, 1991-2002
G01359 AWI Moored ULS Data, Weddell Sea (1990-1998)
NSIDC-0020 Coordinated Eastern Arctic Experiment (CEAREX), 1988 through 1989
G01111 The Dehn Collection of Arctic Sea Ice Charts, 1953-1986
G01962 Environmental Working Group Joint U.S.-Russian Arctic Sea Ice Atlas
N/A Global Digital Sea Ice Data Bank (GDSIDB)
G02177 Ice Draft and Ice Velocity Data in the Beaufort Sea, 1990-2003
G00791 International Arctic Buoy Program (IABP) Drifting Buoy Gridded Pressure, Temperature, Position, and Interpolated Ice Velocity
G00807 International Ice Patrol (IIP) Iceberg Sightings Database
NSIDC-0084 IPAB Antarctic Drifting Buoy Data
G02169 March through August Ice Edge Positions in the Nordic Seas, 1750-2002
G02186 Multisensor Analyzed Sea Ice Extent – Northern Hemisphere (MASIE-NH)
G02140 Morphometric Characteristics of Ice and Snow in the Arctic Basin: Aircraft Landing Observations from the Former Soviet Union, 1928-1989
G02172 National Ice Center Arctic Sea Ice Charts and Climatologies in Gridded Format
G00917 National Meteorological Center/Climate Analysis Center Arctic and Antarctic Sea Ice, 1973-1990
G02176 Sea Ice Charts of the Russian Arctic in Gridded Format, 1933-2006
G02182 Sea Ice Edge Location and Extent in the Russian Arctic, 1933-2006
G01169 Sea Ice Melt Pond Data from the Canadian Arctic, 1994
G02129 Southern Hemisphere Ice Limits, 1973-1978
G01360 Submarine Upward Looking Sonar Ice Draft Profile Data and Statistics
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02/23/2011 12:00AM 544,768 melt_range_1979-2007_v02_n.bin
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[peach174]

While this stuff gets ignored or buried in the scientific discussions.
Heat From Earth's Magma Contributing To Melting Of Greenland Ice


Artic Sea Ice increasing.
http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/09/09/arctic-sea-ice-up-60-percent-in-2013/

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

 

[itfitzme]

While this stuff gets ignored or buried in the scientific discussions.
Heat From Earth's Magma Contributing To Melting Of Greenland Ice


Artic Sea Ice increasing.
Arctic sea ice up 60 percent in 2013 | Fox News

Arctic Sea Ice News and Analysis | Sea ice data updated daily with one-day lag

I'm pretty sure the Earth's Magma doesn't get warmer over time. Ergo, it can't account for AWG.

 

[flacaltenn]

While this stuff gets ignored or buried in the scientific discussions.
Heat From Earth's Magma Contributing To Melting Of Greenland Ice


Artic Sea Ice increasing.
Arctic sea ice up 60 percent in 2013 | Fox News

Arctic Sea Ice News and Analysis | Sea ice data updated daily with one-day lag

I'm pretty sure the Earth's Magma doesn't get warmer over time. Ergo, it can't account for AWG.

Are you REALLY sure? Because we're scratching for a 1/2 degree here in surface temperature grasshopper.. And the thickness of the crust cap could certainly be in that range. (or the pressure of the magma)..

Actually shows how little we know -- especially since we also just found active volcanic vents on the side of Antarctica that is "losing" ice..

Doesn't account for the overall loss of ice --- but would sure explain the diff in REGIONAL melting rates..

 

[itfitzme]

While this stuff gets ignored or buried in the scientific discussions.
Heat From Earth's Magma Contributing To Melting Of Greenland Ice


Artic Sea Ice increasing.
Arctic sea ice up 60 percent in 2013 | Fox News

Arctic Sea Ice News and Analysis | Sea ice data updated daily with one-day lag

I'm pretty sure the Earth's Magma doesn't get warmer over time. Ergo, it can't account for AWG.

Are you REALLY sure? Because we're scratching for a 1/2 degree here in surface temperature grasshopper.. And the thickness of the crust cap could certainly be in that range. (or the pressure of the magma)..

Actually shows how little we know -- especially since we also just found active volcanic vents on the side of Antarctica that is "losing" ice..

Doesn't account for the overall loss of ice --- but would sure explain the diff in REGIONAL melting rates..

Yeah, I am pretty sure that the Earth's magma doesn't get warmer over time.

 

[flacaltenn]

I'm pretty sure the Earth's Magma doesn't get warmer over time. Ergo, it can't account for AWG.

Are you REALLY sure? Because we're scratching for a 1/2 degree here in surface temperature grasshopper.. And the thickness of the crust cap could certainly be in that range. (or the pressure of the magma)..

Actually shows how little we know -- especially since we also just found active volcanic vents on the side of Antarctica that is "losing" ice..

Doesn't account for the overall loss of ice --- but would sure explain the diff in REGIONAL melting rates..

Yeah, I am pretty sure that the Earth's magma doesn't get warmer over time.

Well bless your little brain-depraved heart.. You keep believing that no subsurface volcanic activity can change the surface crust temperature over time..

Ain't that cute? He's got 2 little playmate morons --- thanking him for that..

 

[itfitzme]

Are you REALLY sure? Because we're scratching for a 1/2 degree here in surface temperature grasshopper.. And the thickness of the crust cap could certainly be in that range. (or the pressure of the magma)..

Actually shows how little we know -- especially since we also just found active volcanic vents on the side of Antarctica that is "losing" ice..

Doesn't account for the overall loss of ice --- but would sure explain the diff in REGIONAL melting rates..

Yeah, I am pretty sure that the Earth's magma doesn't get warmer over time.

Well bless your little brain-depraved heart.. You keep believing that no subsurface volcanic activity can change the surface crust temperature over time..

Ain't that cute? He's got 2 little playmate morons --- thanking him for that..

You would have a point, except that you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

But, hey, go ahead and keep stroking yourself.

 

[ScienceRocks]

2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 all had higher ice extent in 2007

Weather is important within the arctic and with a warming climate = more moisture during the cold nights. I ran across a study about a year ago talking about how the sea ice would slow and even grow some years.

 

[Abraham3]

Yeah, I am pretty sure that the Earth's magma doesn't get warmer over time.

Well bless your little brain-depraved heart.. You keep believing that no subsurface volcanic activity can change the surface crust temperature over time..

Ain't that cute? He's got 2 little playmate morons --- thanking him for that..

Why don't you respond to what he actually said rather than what you wanted him to say.

 

[flacaltenn]

Yeah, I am pretty sure that the Earth's magma doesn't get warmer over time.

Well bless your little brain-depraved heart.. You keep believing that no subsurface volcanic activity can change the surface crust temperature over time..

Ain't that cute? He's got 2 little playmate morons --- thanking him for that..

Why don't you respond to what he actually said rather than what you wanted him to say.

Are you encouraging me to tear him up -- rather than letting it slide? Because if it would entertain you --- I'd surely do it for ya..

It's such a stupid proposition that sub-surface magna can't change surface temperatures that I'm surprised you thanked him for that.. ((No I'm not))

Maybe a better deal would be for me to save this issue for [MENTION=23239]westwall[/MENTION] to handle when he's all tanned and rested from Hawaii.. He'd do a better job anyway.. Bat message has been sent..

 

[Old Rocks]

Well bless your little brain-depraved heart.. You keep believing that no subsurface volcanic activity can change the surface crust temperature over time..

Ain't that cute? He's got 2 little playmate morons --- thanking him for that..

Why don't you respond to what he actually said rather than what you wanted him to say.

Are you encouraging me to tear him up -- rather than letting it slide? Because if it would entertain you --- I'd surely do it for ya..

It's such a stupid proposition that sub-surface magna can't change surface temperatures that I'm surprised you thanked him for that.. ((No I'm not))

Maybe a better deal would be for me to save this issue for [MENTION]WestWall [/MENTION] to handle when he's all tanned and rested from Hawaii.. He'd do a better job anyway.. Bat message has been sent..

LOL. Of course the magma can change the surface temperature. It did so when it rose through the coal beds in Siberia 250 million years ago and released vast quantities of CH4 and CO2. And initiated the PT Extinction event. Now CO2 and CH4 doesn't give a damn how it gets into the atmosphere, it simply follows the laws of physics once it gets there and warms things up rather rapidly. And the fact that we as a species put the GHGs in the atmosphere is not going to change the result of those laws of physics one bit.

http://blogs.uoregon.edu/gregr/files/2013/07/ptoffset-108u8w6.pdf

Unusually large and locally variable carbon isotope excursions coincident with mass extinctions at the end of the Permian Period (253 Ma) and Guadalupian Epoch (260 Ma) can be attributed to methane outbursts to the atmosphere. Methane has isotopic values (d13C) low enough to reduce to feasible amounts the carbon required for isotopic mass
balance. The duration of the carbon isotopic excursions and inferred methane releases are here constrained to !10,000 yr by counting annual varves in lake deposits and by estimating peat accumulation rates. On paleogeographic maps, the most marked carbon isotope excursions formlinear arrays back to plausible methane sources: end-PermianSiberian
Traps and Longwood-Bluff intrusions of New Zealand and end-Guadalupian Emeishan Traps of China. Intrusion of coal seams by feeder dikes to flood basalts could create successive thermogenic methane outbursts of the observed timing and magnitude, but these are unreasonably short times for replenishment of marine or permafrost sources of methane. Methane released by fracturing and heating of coal during intrusion of large igneous provinces may have been a planetary hazard comparable with bolide impact.