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[FoghornLeghorn]

I never said otherwise.

But the word "Catholic" was given to the Church LONG LONG before there were any so called Protestant "churches."

The earliest writings extant in which it was called Catholic date to the year 107 AD

Again, the "father of Protestantism" Luther came along in the 16th century... Jesus began His Church LONG before the 16th century!

I wish people would study history. I'm frankly getting tired of repeating this information... Why should I do your homework for you? And yet you people who have done virtually NO research act like you know everything about the CC... tiresome...

watch about 10 videos at Most Holy Family Monastery website. That is where you will find the truth about what happened to the CC after Vatican II...

Luther is irrelevant to me. I'm not a Protestant; I'm a follower of Christ.

If the Catholic Church is Jesus's church and if the Pope is the "Vicar" of Christ here on Earth, why then did Pope John Paul II accept and kiss a Quran? That book says that Jesus is NOT the Messiah but John Paul kissed it. Do you believe that Jesus would have kissed that blasphemous book? Your theology is false. I can help you to see the truth.

 

[FoghornLeghorn]

They were, after all, practicing Jews...

Is there biblical evidence that the apostles continued to practice Judaism after they began following Jesus?

 

[hadit]

Is there biblical evidence that the apostles continued to practice Judaism after they began following Jesus?

Yes, the book of Acts, chapter 21 records Paul and other men going into the temple and submitting to temple rituals. They were under grace in Jesus, but respected their heritage to further their witness. I can't see someone who lived their entire life under the Law accepting graven images of themselves with people treating them as sacred.

 

[forkintheroad7]

Luther is irrelevant to me. I'm not a Protestant; I'm a follower of Christ.

If the Catholic Church is Jesus's church and if the Pope is the "Vicar" of Christ here on Earth, why then did Pope John Paul II accept and kiss a Quran? That book says that Jesus is NOT the Messiah but John Paul kissed it. Do you believe that Jesus would have kissed that blasphemous book? Your theology is false. I can help you to see the truth.

That's why you need to visit Most Holy Family website. They have many, many videos that will answer any question you have... (no exaggeration)

I've been telling people here for a long time that the Vatican is NOT the Catholic Church. Not many seem to get it..

The CC used to be in the Vatican. It was ousted from there by anti-Catholics... Communists and others. It's the Story of the Century (really, for Catholics, it's the Story of All Time) and few Catholics know about it. I appear to be the only one here who does. .. although some people may just not want to talk about it...

 

[hadit]

That's why you need to visit Most Holy Family website. They have many, many videos on this.

I've been telling people here for a long time that the Vatican is NOT the Catholic Church.

The CC used to be in the Vatican. It was ousted from there by anti-Catholics... Communists and others. It's the Story of the Century and few know about it. I appear to be the only one here who does. .. although some people may just not want to talk about it...

Christ's true Church knows no man-made boundaries or names. It consists of all who call on the name of Jesus and live in faith and obedience to Him. It exists in every denomination, but no denomination is entirely in the Body of Christ. Ergo, no one can truthfully claim, "We are the only source of truth and there is no salvation outside of us". There are Christians in the Catholic Church, but not every Catholic is a Christian. There are Christians in Protestant congregations, but not every Protestant is a Christian, and on it goes.

IOW, to be a Christian literally has nothing to do with a name on a Church door, it has EVERYTHING to do with the heart's relationship with Jesus.

 

[FoghornLeghorn]

Yes, the book of Acts, chapter 21 records Paul and other men going into the temple and submitting to temple rituals. They were under grace in Jesus, but respected their heritage to further their witness. I can't see someone who lived their entire life under the Law accepting graven images of themselves with people treating them as sacred.

Thank you. I have no doubt that they acted respectfully but the following is from Acts 21 and indicates that the apostles were no longer practicing Judaism.

Acts 21:27-28
When the seven days were almost completed, the Jews from Asia, seeing him in the temple, stirred up the whole crowd and laid hands on him, 28 crying out, “Men of Israel, help! This is the man who is teaching everyone everywhere against the people and the law and this place.

 

[FoghornLeghorn]

That's why you need to visit Most Holy Family website. They have many, many videos that will answer any question you have... (no exaggeration)

I've been telling people here for a long time that the Vatican is NOT the Catholic Church. Not many seem to get it..

The CC used to be in the Vatican. It was ousted from there by anti-Catholics... Communists and others. It's the Story of the Century (really, for Catholics, it's the Story of All Time) and few Catholics know about it. I appear to be the only one here who does. .. although some people may just not want to talk about it...

I'll stick to following Jesus.

 

[hadit]

Thank you. I have no doubt that they acted respectfully but the following is from Acts 21 and indicates that the apostles were no longer practicing Judaism.

Acts 21:27-28
When the seven days were almost completed, the Jews from Asia, seeing him in the temple, stirred up the whole crowd and laid hands on him, 28 crying out, “Men of Israel, help! This is the man who is teaching everyone everywhere against the people and the law and this place.

Yes, you are correct, they no longer observed the law, but as I have stated, I can't see any of them accepting statues and paintings of themselves with people treating them as if they are sacred. I think it would have run counter to everything they believed about being humble before God.

 

[FoghornLeghorn]

...but as I have stated, I can't see any of them accepting statues and paintings of themselves with people treating them as if they are sacred.

Agreed.

 

[forkintheroad7]

I'll stick to following Jesus.

So you're saying I am not following Him?

That's insane. Few seem to love Jesus and follow Him as well as I do.

sounds like typical Protestant arrogance...

 

[forkintheroad7]

Thank you. I have no doubt that they acted respectfully but the following is from Acts 21 and indicates that the apostles were no longer practicing Judaism.

Acts 21:27-28
When the seven days were almost completed, the Jews from Asia, seeing him in the temple, stirred up the whole crowd and laid hands on him, 28 crying out, “Men of Israel, help! This is the man who is teaching everyone everywhere against the people and the law and this place.

I think Hadit is a JW

or is it Mormon?

I think its JW

 

[hadit]

I think Hadit is a JW

or is it Mormon?

I think its JW

Uh, no. Neither.

 

[FoghornLeghorn]

So you're saying I am not following Him?

That's insane. Few seem to love Jesus and follow Him as well as I do.

sounds like typical Protestant arrogance...

Nope. I'm saying that I'll stick to following Jesus and what he told us through the scriptures and you can follow the Catholic Church, which is unfortunate, but that is your choice.

Why do you support the Pope kissing a Quran?

 

[forkintheroad7]

Blows me away how IGNORANT people are of Catholicism yet they act like they know everything.

Isn't presumption a form of lying?

Well, there's something in the Bible about how people end up in Hell (or on the pathway there in any case) because they "received not the love of the truth."-Thessalonians

If I had heard someone say, when I was in my 20s that such and such church was the one Christ founded, I would definitely have studied the issue. At that time I didn't know what I know today, but I was always wondering where that Church He founded really was and its history. I remember feeling very lost because I didn't know... didn't even know where to look. It grieved me.

Seek and you will find, Jesus said. But strangely, people don't want to do that...

They think they were born knowing... well, to hear them tell: they were born knowing just about everything.

 

[FoghornLeghorn]

Well, there's something in the Bible about how people end up in Hell (or on the pathway there in any case) because they "received not the love of the truth."-Thessalonians

The Catholic Church doesn't follow the Bible and neither do you, so why are you quoting Paul when you ignore many of his other statements? You place the teachings of men in the Catholic Church above the commandments of God. And when I quote scripture to you and ask you a question related to it you decline to respond and instead call me "ignorant", etc. That's ok. You can do and believe whatever you want.

 

[forkintheroad7]

The Catholic Church doesn't follow the Bible and neither do you,

This is all I read. You LIE

So I'm putting you on Ignore.

I hope you find Christ's True Church because it has taught since the beginning... for 2000+ years now

that there is NO salvation outside of it. That only makes sense because Jesus founded it... and He didn't found 40,000 different "denominations."

I have learned not only from studying Catholicism and Church history but also from that greatest of all teachings (outside of Christ)

that this is TRUE... no salvation outside CHRIST's Church.

That's all I have to say before I go to "Iggy" because I'm tired of lies and malice.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Sectarian Supremacists Collaborating For Psychological Controls "

* Torahnism Qurayshism Fictional Ishmaelism And Heretics Of Antinomian Ethos *

Why do you support the Pope kissing a Quran?

There is a common idealism for public asceticism that exists among the whole he see of the poop and adherents of fictional ishmaelism , and each cloistered agenda expects to impose morality by authority of government , irrespective of whether public policies pursued by its institutions are contrary with independence of the individual as the foundation of us republic .

Maintaining confusion for the literal meaning of an after life , which is genetic continuance , with the metaphorical means by which to achieve a literal after life , appears to include posterity for maintaining the facade .

. End of Debate Over Whether To Reconcile .

. Zone1 - Eponymous Nomian Patriarch Genetic Religions Of Torahnism And Qurayshism : Isaac Versus Ishmael Sacrifice Circumcision Option .

. Are Circumcisions Performed Before An Age Of Consent An Act Of Illegitimate Aggression ? .

. https://www.usmessageboard.com/threads/desantis-is-a-knights-of-columbus-tool.1039956/ .

. Zone1 - Anthropocentic Psychosis : How Compelling And To Which Ends Are Its Impacts Within Hue Mammon Society ? .

 

[Zebra]

Nope. Nowhere in the Bible did Jesus or the apostles refer to their church as "universal" or "Catholic". In fact, the apostles called their movement "The Way" after Jesus's statement that he is "the way". Additionally, nowhere in the Bible was Peter recognized as being the head of Jesus's church. As well, Paul publicly rebuked Peter on one occasion, something he unlikely would have done if Peter had been the recognized head of Jesus's church.

I will add that Paul wrote that anybody who teaches a different gospel (catechism) is cursed.

Your loyalty to the Catholic Church is misplaced. Your love, loyalty, and devotion must be to serving God and following his son, Jesus. I was a Catholic for 50 years. I can show you more evidence that the Catholic Church is NOT from God but, rather, the world. I'm happy to discuss this privately, if you're interested.

Did Jesus ever spoke of Lutheran Church ….etc …?

 

[hadit]

Did Jesus ever spoke of Lutheran Church ….etc …?

Jesus' Church exists in all who call on His name and follow Him, period.

All denominations have Christians in them, but not members of any denomination are Christians. IOW, we'll be rubbing elbows with Lutherans, Catholics, Baptists, etc. but we will note as missing some of those we sat next to on Sunday morning.

 

[forkintheroad7]

Jesus' Church exists in all who call on His name and follow Him, period.

If that is true, why did Jesus bother founding a Church at all?

To hear Protestants (and novus ordo "catholics") tell it, a person can get to Heaven without even being in ANY church or alleged church.. Some Protestants say you can sin your *** off and still get into Heaven... most egregious heresy EVER.. totally contradicts the Bible (virtually regardless of version [not that I have read all versions out there. I read the trustworthy, non-interpretive Douay Rheims)

Thanks, Martin Luther, human being.

But Jesus did establish a Church... and said He would build His Church and the gates of Hell would not prevail against it. (Mt 1618)

He established a grand total of ONE