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[jc456]

Bibi's *****. Served to you by the fine folks at Lolita Island.

so for you 1945 was a waste of military lives? I honor those who fought for you to have the right to post here. They fought for the jews. Now you just want the jews to be slaughtered by arabs in Iran. Ain't you nice.

 

[dblack]

so for you ...

Another whackadoodle strawman. That's really all you do. Have you ever noticed that?

Someone will make some claim, doesn't matter much what it is, and you come back with "so, you think it's ok to rape dogs?" or some other completely inane, irrelevant shit. And it's ALWAYS to defend your dear leader. Just all kinds of fucked up and immoral. But it's what you do. It's all you do, on the boards here. Hopefully you're not such a useless pile of shit in real life.

 

[jc456]

Another whackadoodle strawman. That's really all you do. Have you ever noticed that?

Someone will make some claim, doesn't matter much what it is, and you come back with "so, you think it's ok to rape dogs?" or some other completely inane, irrelevant shit. And it's ALWAYS to defend your dear leader. Just all kinds of fucked up and immoral. But it's what you do. It's all you do, on the boards here. Hopefully you're not such a useless pile of shit in real life.

the things someone says who wants to misrepresent the facts. I will say it again. Iran retaliated against their neighbors, along with Israel, and those neighbors did not attack them. The stations were fixed stations and therefore, their intent all along was to smoke their neighbors. If you can't see facts, I can't help and strawman notes you make is all you got.

 

[XponentialChaos]

This is about where I stand on the issue.

It doesn't matter that Trump is currently president, the same issue has existed for a long time, under administrations/congresses of both major parties.

I've disliked the way the US deals with the Constitution for most of my adult life. As a nation we tend to use the Constitution as a guideline rather than a set of rules. It works, in its way, so there is almost no real pushback on it. I think the amendment process is difficult enough that the government long ago decided to find easier ways to circumvent Constitutional limitations.

I also think Congress has ceded too much power to the President over time. I'm not entirely sure why that's the case, but here we are.

To get into the current situation more specifically, I thought one of the few things that was a clear positive from Trump's first presidency was our country avoiding new global conflicts. That's clearly not how this second term is going. As awful as Iran may be, the justification being used for the attacks rings pretty hollow to me. If it's the nuclear program, that was supposedly set back years with the total obliteration of 3 facilities just 9 months ago. If it's to stop the killing of protesters, there was a long gap between the time Trump talked about helping the Iranian protesters and when these attacks occurred. In my eyes, this is just another of the long list of projections of US power that presidents have been engaging in since long before I was born. That doesn't mean I'm in any way defending Iran or the actions of the Islamic government there; as far as I can see, those bastards deserve what they get and more. The Iranian government being awful doesn't mean I think our government should ignore the rules set out in the Constitution or even in our laws, however.

And when it comes to TN, I certainly don't agree with him on many things, but those of you who are automatically painting him as some sort of leftist for not supporting this war with Iran are just showing how blinded by partisanship you are.

Well said. I agree with you.

Despite how much I dislike Trump, what I will say is that I like how he kept us out of foreign conflicts during his first term. The chaos was at least confined to domestic issues. That’s no longer the case now as we’re seeing ourselves in a lot more international conflicts.

The leaders of Iran are (were?) bat-shit crazy as far as I’m concerned. I’m not defending them at all. However, I’m not sure how necessary it was for us to aid in attacking them. I don’t like that this decision ultimately comes down to one person, which violates what was intended in the Constitution. I just so happen to trust that person about as far as I can throw him. Regardless, there’s a systemic issue here.

 

[MisterBeale]

That was the last time Congress wrote a declaration of war. NINETEEN FOURTY TWO.
How many wars have we been involved with since? You people only ***** about "mUh cOnGrEsS" when its the "other side" doing the crap.
You are all so disingenuous it is nauseating.

The Last Formal Declaration of War - JSTOR Daily

The last time Congress formally declared war was in World War II.

daily.jstor.org

Delegation of powers is not in the constitution. Anywhere. Jefferson spoke of it, but he was also referring to non legislative power. Guess what declarations of war is?
You guys don't really care about the constitution. At all.
Real liberalism is dead.
Real conservatism is dead.
Neoconservatism is alive and well.

This montage is hilarious.

 

[Chuz Life]

This montage is hilarious.

It's not that difficult when you know and understand what the meanings are.

"War vs State of War"

 

[MisterBeale]

It's not that difficult when you know and understand what the meanings are.

"War vs State of War"

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Parsing phraseology that doesn't even appear in that video is not an argument.

 

[Zincwarrior]

That was the last time Congress wrote a declaration of war. NINETEEN FOURTY TWO.
How many wars have we been involved with since? You people only ***** about "mUh cOnGrEsS" when its the "other side" doing the crap.
You are all so disingenuous it is nauseating.

The Last Formal Declaration of War - JSTOR Daily

The last time Congress formally declared war was in World War II.

daily.jstor.org

Delegation of powers is not in the constitution. Anywhere. Jefferson spoke of it, but he was also referring to non legislative power. Guess what declarations of war is?
You guys don't really care about the constitution. At all.
Real liberalism is dead.
Real conservatism is dead.
Neoconservatism is alive and well.

Congress authorized Desert Storm, Afghanistan and Iraq 2. There was also the Tonkin Gulf Resolution.

But you have a point. Imagine if that had been our last war?

 

[MisterBeale]

Aaron Maté : Did Netanyahu Shape Trump’s Iran Policy?​

Streamed live 8 hours ago

 

[Nostra]

If we initiate an attack on another country, its not an act of war?
So if Nigeria assassinated trump, it wouldnt be an act of war?
If they bombed one of our schools, it wouldnt be an act of war?
Of course it would. Because attacking another country is an act of war.

If we had murdered hundreds of their citizens over decades of terror attacks, and constantly declared we would blow them off the map, they would be defending themselves.

 

[22lcidw]

Congress authorized Desert Storm, Afghanistan and Iraq 2. There was also the Tonkin Gulf Resolution.

But you have a point. Imagine if that had been our last war?

Foreign entanglements as the founding fathers warned us about. So does this make us isolationists, nationalists if we do not respond or as the most powerful nation of the planet responding, the world's policeman.

 

[gipper]

If we had murdered hundreds of their citizens over decades of terror attacks, and constantly declared we would blow them off the map, they would be defending themselves.

If Bibi nukes Iran, do you still support him?

 

[Montrovant]

Montrovant , buttercup , you both covering for TN now? or, are you him? how would you know what he prefers is fake or not? Weird reaction to something that wasn't about you both.

It was a weird comment to make about a poster that has expressed their disdain for both of the major US parties fairly often on the board, including in this thread.

 

[jc456]

It was a weird comment to make about a poster that has expressed their disdain for both of the major US parties fairly often on the board, including in this thread.

It wasn’t to you

 

[BlindBoo]

An Oldie (1991) but goodie.....still relevant.

"Ancient History": U.S. Conduct in the Middle East Since World War II and the Folly of Intervention

www.cato.org

"In the aftermath of the most overt and direct U.S. attempt to manage affairs in the Middle East, the Persian Gulf War, it is more important than ever to understand how the United States came to be involved in the region and the disastrous consequences of that involvement. President Bush’s willingness to sacrifice American lives to remove Iraqi forces from Kuwait, to restore the “legitimate” government of that feudal monarchy, and to create a “new world order” proceeds logically from the premises and policies of past administrations. Indeed, there is little new in Bush’s new world order, except the Soviet Union’s assistance. That may mean the new order will be far more dangerous than the old, because it will feature an activist U.S. foreign policy without the inhibitions that were formerly imposed by the superpower rivalry. That bodes ill for the people of the Middle East, as well as for the long-suffering American citizens, who will see their taxes continue to rise, their consumer economy increasingly distorted by military spending, and their blood spilled–all in the name of U.S. leadership."

Full analysis....

https://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/pa159.pdf

 

[Nostra]

If Bibi nukes Iran, do you still support him?

Did he say he was going to nuke them?

 

[gipper]

Did he say he was going to nuke them?

Lol. Does that matter?

 

[Montrovant]

It wasn’t to you

Most of the comments in any given thread aren't to me. So what? How do you think this works, people only reply to or react to comments directed at them?

 

[Nostra]

Lol. Does that matter?

Only if you are worried about reality, which you clearly aren’t.

 

[gipper]

Only if you are worried about reality, which you clearly aren’t.

Can you please answer the question?